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I wouldn't. I'd keep Jrue around. Getting Knox along with the pick for Morant would be outstanding. Ja/Jrue/Knox/Zion seems like an outstanding core.
If I'm getting picks 1 and 2 I think I'd go all-in on a rebuild. What if they got Jaylen Brown back (and salary filler) in the Boston deal along with the Memphis pick which is top-6 protected next year and unprotected in 2021? Boston could be desperate if Kyrie bounces.
 
Maybe this was already asked, but is anyone excited about our pick in this draft? I had to move up to single digits before I found anyone I was half interested in. Seems like a great year to trade out and clear some salary or upgrade. The problem is that all those salaries we have been whining about expire at the end of next season. Wish we could make some kind of bench consolidation trade of Leonard + Pick (Olynyk, Covington, etc.).
In my opinion this draft is kinda weird. The top 3 are pretty clear but 4 to about 30 are mostly pretty even. I've seen some guys that are lottery picks in some mocks and 2nd rounders in others. Drafts like that aren't necessarily going to give you a star but what it does do is give teams like Portland picking in the 20's a chance to land a player that could be just as good as most picked ahead of them.

A salary dump at the draft isn't happening but I like your mindset for the type of moves that may be available. Getting a Covington lessens the burden of Hood leaving. Getting an Olynyk lessens the burden of Kanter leaving. Getting a PF like Saric or whomever allows us to let Aminu walk.
 
If I'm getting picks 1 and 2 I think I'd go all-in on a rebuild. What if they got Jaylen Brown back (and salary filler) in the Boston deal along with the Memphis pick which is top-6 protected next year and unprotected in 2021? Boston could be desperate if Kyrie bounces.
That'd be a pretty crazy haul for Jrue, I'd think. But sure, if Boston would be willing to part with him, then yeah, you give that a shot. Brown seemed best at the 2 anyway; I'm sure he'd be an amazing fit alongside Morant. Maybe finagle Robert Williams too instead of the pick...
 
So the Knicks pick at #3 seems to be better than the Laker's pick at #4. How about the rest of their young assets for AD?

Knicks:

Emmanuel Mudiay $4,294,479 $5,758,897 $0 $0 $0
Frank Ntilikina $4,155,720 $4,855,800 $6,176,578 $8,326,027 $0
Dennis Smith $3,819,960 $4,463,640 $5,686,677 $7,705,447 $0
Kevin Knox $3,744,840 $4,385,640 $4,594,680 $5,853,622 $7,931,658
Allonzo Trier $3,551,100

Lakers:
Lonzo Ball $7,461,960 $8,719,320 $11,003,782 $14,359,935 $0
Brandon Ingram $5,757,120 $7,265,485 $9,481,458
Moritz Wagner $1,764,240 $2,066,040 $2,164,680 $3,898,588 $5,727,026
Kyle Kuzma $1,689,840 $1,974,600 $3,562,178 $5,282,711 $0
Josh Hart $1,655,160 $1,934,160 $3,491,159 $5,236,738 $0
 
So the Knicks pick at #3 seems to be better than the Laker's pick at #4. How about the rest of their young assets for AD?

Knicks:

Emmanuel Mudiay $4,294,479 $5,758,897 $0 $0 $0
Frank Ntilikina $4,155,720 $4,855,800 $6,176,578 $8,326,027 $0
Dennis Smith $3,819,960 $4,463,640 $5,686,677 $7,705,447 $0
Kevin Knox $3,744,840 $4,385,640 $4,594,680 $5,853,622 $7,931,658
Allonzo Trier $3,551,100

Lakers:
Lonzo Ball $7,461,960 $8,719,320 $11,003,782 $14,359,935 $0
Brandon Ingram $5,757,120 $7,265,485 $9,481,458
Moritz Wagner $1,764,240 $2,066,040 $2,164,680 $3,898,588 $5,727,026
Kyle Kuzma $1,689,840 $1,974,600 $3,562,178 $5,282,711 $0
Josh Hart $1,655,160 $1,934,160 $3,491,159 $5,236,738 $0

I'd rather have the Lakers players than the Knicks. :dunno:
 
What do people think of Eric Paschall?
Last year my obsession was Jalen Brunson, so I guess this continues a Villanova theme, but it's entirely coincidental, because I don't watch college basketball. I just looked at the players projected to be drafted and tried to find the guy who was most similar to a Draymond Green/PJ Tucker type, and it sounds like it's this guy. My philosophy with the low first round picks is to get a solid contributor, hence picking experienced seniors with excellent track records. Obviously that's not Olshey's preference, given that he preferred Simons, and it looks like he may have been right. But I'm going to stick with my strategy.
 
I'd rather have the Lakers players than the Knicks. :dunno:
I wouldnt want either...
Yeah I think both of those groups of players are mostly crap, although I do think Josh Hart would be a good "Danny Green" type player on a contending team but not on a rebuilding team. Because of that thinking I'd have to go with the team that offered me the higher pick which would be the Knicks in this case.
 
Yeah I think both of those groups of players are mostly crap, although I do think Josh Hart would be a good "Danny Green" type player on a contending team but not on a rebuilding team. Because of that thinking I'd have to go with the team that offered me the higher pick which would be the Knicks in this case.

I'd take Kyle Kuzma, Hart (even though I can't stand him after the SL Final), and Wagner.

Those are solid cogs.
 
I'd take Kyle Kuzma, Hart (even though I can't stand him after the SL Final), and Wagner.

Those are solid cogs.
What I'd do is take Ball, Kuz, all those guys and then trade most of them individually for different players. They would have more trade value than the Knicks guys.

I keep coming back to the difference between pick 3 and 4 in this particular draft though is pretty big.
 
Knicks wouldn't be taking Parsons, Pels would. Knicks would simply give the #3 (and Knox, as hj suggested) for AD. Pels would take Parsons' contract off Memphis' hands for the privilege of moving up from 3 to 2.

That's a pretty steep price to pay as Barret at one time was also considered a possible #1 pick. I wouldn't take on Parson's 25 mil next year just to move up one spot.
 
Maybe this was already asked, but is anyone excited about our pick in this draft? I had to move up to single digits before I found anyone I was half interested in. Seems like a great year to trade out and clear some salary or upgrade. The problem is that all those salaries we have been whining about expire at the end of next season. Wish we could make some kind of bench consolidation trade of Leonard + Pick (Olynyk, Covington, etc.).

I think the pick is dealt this year as we don't need another late first round player.
 
I POSTED THIS A COUPLE MONTHS AGO, IT DIDN'T GET MUCH ATTENTION. STILL IS THE ONLY WAY THEY CAN GET AD, KYRIE, AND KD. I WANT OPINIONS ON THIS.

Was just looking at this and realize the Knicks could possibly land all three with some crafty cap maneuvering.

The gist of this is that New York hangs onto just enough salary to trade for AD (no more than 125% of his $27M next year and completes a trade for him after signing KD and Kyrie. Lets say the Knicks have 5 players making $22M. Compared to AD ($27M) and 4 roster holds (apx. $3.4M), New York would save $8.4M in free agency by waiting to trade for AD after they sign their guys (since they simply have to match enough salary in order to acquire AD).

Or in simpler terms, the Knicks will have more cap space to sign KD and Kyrie by having 5 players splitting $22M (which they can later trade for AD) than if they trade for AD and have $27M + Four ~$1M roster holds.

So the Knicks landed the #3 pick.

TRIMMING DOWN THE ROSTER INTO ONE AD TRADE PACKAGE

- The apx. MAX rookie wage for the #3 pick is $7.8M). To make this work well, The Knicks would draft and sign R.J. Barrett for $7.65M, then wait 30 days until he's tradeable.
- Trade Frank Ntilikina for cap space and pick(s)
- Accept the team options for Damyeon Dotson and Allonzo Trier

THE MATH

- Essentially, $21.6M is barely enough to match AD's salary. The closer New York is to having that amount of active salary, combined with the most players in that package (to reduce roster holds) is what the goal is.
- Barrett, Smith, Knox, Trier, and Robinson would equal apx. $21.6M in salary.
- The Knicks would have $7.4M in dead money (Joakim Noah, Lance Thomas)
- And they'd have $5.95M in roster holds (12 - 7 x .85M [Rookie Scale Salary])
- That equals roughly $34.95M against the salary cap.
- With a projected cap of $109M, that means the Knicks would have $74M available to spend.
- The MAX is apx. $38.15M for KD and $32.7M for Kyrie. That equals $70.85M in salary.
- Essentially, $21.6M is barely enough to match AD's salary. The closer New York is to having that amount of active salary, combined with the most players in that package (to reduce roster holds) is what the goal is.

THE SIGNINGS

- Therefore, the Knicks could sign Kyrie and KD to MAX contracts (which could be helped by an in principal agreed upon trade for AD that's on hold [We saw this with the Wiggins for Love trade a while ago].
- The Knicks would have $4.85M left over in cap space after those MAX contracts and 2 roster holds are whipped out. They'd also have the Room Exception with which to fill out their roster.
- The Knicks would likely sign a fringe-starting PF/C with the remaining $4.85M before making the trade.

THE TRADE

- A month after New York signs R.J. Barret, they trade him, Dennis Smith Jr, Kevin Knox, Allonzo Trier, Mitchell Robinson, 2021 NYK 1st, 2021 DAL 1st, 2023 NYK 1st, & 2023 DAL 1sts for Anthony Davis.

THE RESULT

- New York would have a full starting lineup with Kyrie Irving, Damyean Dotson, Kevin Durant, Anthony Davis, and whatever big they signed. They'd have the room exception and minimum contracts to fill out their bench.

NEW ORLEA NS
- Would make Zion happier by getting his guy in Barrett there with him. They'd have a good collection of young talent (especially if they traded Jrue as well) and would have a good collection of future picks.

Smith Jr. / Jackson
Holiday / Moore
Barrett / Hill
Williamson / Diallo
Okafor / ?

That's a terrific start to a rebuild.
 
@hoopsjock Let me know if the above is possible.
Well, right off the bat it's flawed because it assumes that both teams would be willing to wait. Since NY couldn't possibly know if they can sign either Durant or Kyrie that is way too big of an assumption to make at the draft. New Orleans isn't going to wait to see if that's possible while other offers from the Lakers or Celtics could happen right away with no risk of them falling apart.

This is why I keep telling you to stop turning every trade into the most complicated ones ever, lol.
 
Well, right off the bat it's flawed because it assumes that both teams would be willing to wait. Since NY couldn't possibly know if they can sign either Durant or Kyrie that is way too big of an assumption to make at the draft. New Orleans isn't going to wait to see if that's possible while other offers from the Lakers or Celtics could happen right away with no risk of them falling apart.

This is why I keep telling you to stop turning every trade into the most complicated ones ever, lol.
New Orleans waited until the off-season, so why wouldn't they wait another 30 days after the draft, especially since things can be agreed to in principal? The Celtics couldn't make a trade until July, and would likely to see how Kyrie plays out before making a trade, so it's literally in New Orleans best interest to wait (and they were patient to begin with, so again, why wouldn't they?)

There's no risk of a deal with Boston falling apart because it's an either/or with Boston and New York. Boston won't trade for AD if Kyrie leaves, and if Kyrie stays, then Boston/New York would make the trade immediately and there wouldn't be a wait.

New York could also make this happen by not signing Barrett right away, and by simply trading his draft rights while including Ntilikina and the picked up options on Dotson and Ellenson. So they wouldn't have that 30-day grace period going into late July. If New York has the best offer, New Orleans isn't going to worry about the timing of it.

So I don't think those concerns are exactly valid. New York has a way to get all three by being creative, and I think New Orleans would definitely prioritize that trade package over the others.

I was more asking for your opinion on the math, and if it 100% worked under the CBA.
 
New Orleans waited until the off-season, so why wouldn't they wait another 30 days after the draft, especially since things can be agreed to in principal? The Celtics couldn't make a trade until July, and would likely to see how Kyrie plays out before making a trade, so it's literally in New Orleans best interest to wait (and they were patient to begin with, so again, why wouldn't they?)

There's no risk of a deal with Boston falling apart because it's an either/or with Boston and New York. Boston won't trade for AD if Kyrie leaves, and if Kyrie stays, then Boston/New York would make the trade immediately and there wouldn't be a wait.

New York could also make this happen by not signing Barrett right away, and by simply trading his draft rights while including Ntilikina and the picked up options on Dotson and Ellenson. So they wouldn't have that 30-day grace period going into late July. If New York has the best offer, New Orleans isn't going to worry about the timing of it.

So I don't think those concerns are exactly valid. New York has a way to get all three by being creative, and I think New Orleans would definitely prioritize that trade package over the others.

I was more asking for your opinion on the math, and if it 100% worked under the CBA.
New Orleans main problem isn't waiting to complete a trade, the problem is what happens if Kyrie and KD don't sign with NY and then AD doesn't want to go there and tells them he'll sit out a year? There are literally around a hundred variables that could happen to screw the trade up, it's completely different than a trade that is agreed upon at the draft but executed in the new league year. The Lakers could make the trade right now without any risk of it falling through.

Speaking of which, that is why it doesn't make sense what you said about Boston. They actually could agree to a trade at the draft that went through went the new league calendar started unlike with NY. In fact doing so might be the difference between Kyrie staying or leaving.

Your paragraph about NY trading Barrett's draft rights changes the whole dynamic of the trade. You made it seem in your original post that Barrett's money needed to be included to both trade for AD and squeeze out the max contracts of Kyrie and KD too. There is a reason why trades rarely occur that aren't agreed to at the draft involving 1st round picks. The Wiggins one is the only one I can even recall that was made after the new league year started and before the start of the season. That particular trade was an outlier because of LeBron re-signing with Cleveland in between and him wanting Love.

I'll say it again, it's too complicated to work out the way you describe it. The only way it would work is after free agency if AD is still on the Pelicans and NY has done things exactly like you described.
 
New Orleans waited until the off-season, so why wouldn't they wait another 30 days after the draft, especially since things can be agreed to in principal? The Celtics couldn't make a trade until July, and would likely to see how Kyrie plays out before making a trade, so it's literally in New Orleans best interest to wait (and they were patient to begin with, so again, why wouldn't they?)

There's no risk of a deal with Boston falling apart because it's an either/or with Boston and New York. Boston won't trade for AD if Kyrie leaves, and if Kyrie stays, then Boston/New York would make the trade immediately and there wouldn't be a wait.

New York could also make this happen by not signing Barrett right away, and by simply trading his draft rights while including Ntilikina and the picked up options on Dotson and Ellenson. So they wouldn't have that 30-day grace period going into late July. If New York has the best offer, New Orleans isn't going to worry about the timing of it.

So I don't think those concerns are exactly valid. New York has a way to get all three by being creative, and I think New Orleans would definitely prioritize that trade package over the others.

I was more asking for your opinion on the math, and if it 100% worked under the CBA.
There is another way to get Kyrie, KD, and AD. The 1st two could take less than the max if they cared about winning and joining up.
 
The wait is over...



Long neck / sloping shoulders hurt his standing reach. Thought he was going to measure a little longer too.

In other news, Brandon Clarke is a freak athlete, but REALLY small.

 
The combine start tomorrow it will interesting who the Blazers talk to at the combine. I believe olshey not real big on the combine who he going draft. One year he already knows he wanted Zach but he draft asset to help him. I am looking at Johnson from North Carolina might be at 25 and there few others wouldn't be bad. I am still interesting of Bazley has took the Simons approach if we buy a 2nd rounder. The more I start studying I probably will put more names to my list at 25 pick.
 
Zion ought to be watching a lot of Giannis -- his game should translate to something similar: relentlessly attacking the rim.
 
The wait is over...



Long neck / sloping shoulders hurt his standing reach. Thought he was going to measure a little longer too.

In other news, Brandon Clarke is a freak athlete, but REALLY small.


Dang, I thought both would measure out better. Oh well.
 
New Orleans main problem isn't waiting to complete a trade, the problem is what happens if Kyrie and KD don't sign with NY and then AD doesn't want to go there and tells them he'll sit out a year? There are literally around a hundred variables that could happen to screw the trade up, it's completely different than a trade that is agreed upon at the draft but executed in the new league year. The Lakers could make the trade right now without any risk of it falling through.

Speaking of which, that is why it doesn't make sense what you said about Boston. They actually could agree to a trade at the draft that went through went the new league calendar started unlike with NY. In fact doing so might be the difference between Kyrie staying or leaving.

Your paragraph about NY trading Barrett's draft rights changes the whole dynamic of the trade. You made it seem in your original post that Barrett's money needed to be included to both trade for AD and squeeze out the max contracts of Kyrie and KD too. There is a reason why trades rarely occur that aren't agreed to at the draft involving 1st round picks. The Wiggins one is the only one I can even recall that was made after the new league year started and before the start of the season. That particular trade was an outlier because of LeBron re-signing with Cleveland in between and him wanting Love.

I'll say it again, it's too complicated to work out the way you describe it. The only way it would work is after free agency if AD is still on the Pelicans and NY has done things exactly like you described.
Well if its the best trade with a contingency, I'm sure NOP waits. Kyrie is likely Boston or NY, and if Kyrie and AD end up in NY, so will KD. But if not, Boston will still have to bid against LA.

If one of KD and Kyrie dont sign, NOP could do the trade with cap space.

The Cleveland situation is a perfect precedent. But again, I'm not even trying to discuss its realism. Im asking you if itd work under the CBA. But you just want to beat me over the head with "its not realistic".
 
Well if its the best trade with a contingency, I'm sure NOP waits. Kyrie is likely Boston or NY, and if Kyrie and AD end up in NY, so will KD. But if not, Boston will still have to bid against LA.

If one of KD and Kyrie dont sign, NOP could do the trade with cap space.

The Cleveland situation is a perfect precedent. But again, I'm not even trying to discuss its realism. Im asking you if itd work under the CBA. But you just want to beat me over the head with "its not realistic".
No, in addition to it not being realistic (it isn't) you're not getting the difference between what Cleveland did, what Boston and LAL could do, and the cap gymnastics that you are proposing NY attempts.

There has never been a single trade in the history of the NBA that requires a team to wait 30 days while one team attempts to sign two other players. I don't have time right now to show you why. Cleveland had a different situation in which they tried to work out a trade before signing Wiggins and talks broke down so they just signed him. Then they started talking again and came to an agreement near the end of the 30 days but had to get Philly involved to take on salary to make it work because of Wiggins now counting as salary. The teams already had their rosters full. The Knicks tried to clear out the cupboard which complicates trades.
 
No, in addition to it not being realistic (it isn't) you're not getting the difference between what Cleveland did, what Boston and LAL could do, and the cap gymnastics that you are proposing NY attempts.

There has never been a single trade in the history of the NBA that requires a team to wait 30 days while one team attempts to sign two other players. I don't have time right now to show you why. Cleveland had a different situation in which they tried to work out a trade before signing Wiggins and talks broke down so they just signed him. Then they started talking again and came to an agreement near the end of the 30 days but had to get Philly involved to take on salary to make it work because of Wiggins now counting as salary. The teams already had their rosters full. The Knicks tried to clear out the cupboard which complicates trades.
Nevermind. Damn.
 
What do people think of Eric Paschall?
Last year my obsession was Jalen Brunson, so I guess this continues a Villanova theme, but it's entirely coincidental, because I don't watch college basketball. I just looked at the players projected to be drafted and tried to find the guy who was most similar to a Draymond Green/PJ Tucker type, and it sounds like it's this guy. My philosophy with the low first round picks is to get a solid contributor, hence picking experienced seniors with excellent track records. Obviously that's not Olshey's preference, given that he preferred Simons, and it looks like he may have been right. But I'm going to stick with my strategy.

Admiral Schofield would be my pick for that type. Mostly because I'm a Tennessee fan and he has a dope ass name.
 
Yes, I do. I literally just said I don't have time to break it down cap wise.
I'm simply wondering if teams can hold onto lesser salaries to get rid of roster holds in order to maximize cap space before making a trade the would otherwise take them over negore signings. Just wondering if thats possible under the CBA. Only reason I tagged you.
 

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