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Everybody in here clamoring for Bazely better realize 2 words:

Rich Paul

http://www.espn.com/nba/story/_/id/...ley-1-million-internship-result-broken-system

NBA agent and Klutch Sports co-founder Rich Paul called the choice of top prospect Darius Bazley to forgo college and opt for a $1 million shoe-company internship the product of a broken system, saying Wednesday that the on-court component of the next seven months was "the one thing that we were missing."

Bazley, ranked the No. 13 prospect in 2018 by ESPN, decommitted from Syracuse in March and said he planned to play in the NBA's G League. This week, he again changed course, landing a first-of-its-kind three-month job with New Balance, a deal Paul brokered.

Paul, speaking in an appearance on ESPN's The Jump, said he wasn't sure the move would start a trend but did think it was a pioneering leap out of an institutionalized process that needed to change.

"And until that happens, they need options," Paul said.

Paul said Bazley was part of a system people in authority have "been able to control for a long time."

"And when you're a threat to that system, they don't like that," Paul said.

Bazley, a 6-foot-8 forward from Ohio, will enter the 2019 NBA draft, Paul said. Bazley had been poised to be the first five-star prospect to skip college for the G League, after several players have gone the overseas route. Like most high school players, Bazley was ineligible for the 2018 NBA draft because he's not one year removed from his graduating class. In the past, if a player was ruled ineligible for college or wanted to skip college, he generally went overseas, as Brandon Jennings, Emmanuel Mudiay and Terrance Ferguson did.

In May, Bazley signed with Paul, who also has longtime friend LeBron James, John Wall and Ben Simmons among his NBA clients.

Bazley will be paid a $200,000 base salary annually over five years, assuming he is on an NBA roster in the second year and in the league each season thereafter. Paul earlier this week told The New York Times that the internship was part of a multiyear shoe contract that could pay Bazley up to $14 million if he reaches performance incentives written into the contract.

"Darius is a very, very different kid," Paul told The Jump. "His mom and him came to me, and they wanted advice. ... The main thing for me was just trying to find out the best way for Darius to spend his time since he was not going to college. And New Balance is a very fearless, independent brand, and what they represent aligned directly with who Darius Bazley is and what he wanted to do."

The slender Bazley, who was listed at 195 pounds in high school, also will work on his strength and skills in the run-up to the draft. In an interview with The Times, he called the move "my risk."

"For who he is," Paul said, "regardless of what happens in the rest of his life, he'll have a head start. He'll know more about the business around the game than anybody in his class based upon what he'll learn."

But Paul said the on-court component remained uncertain.

"It's tough to find runs, right?" Paul said of pickup games. "So, he has an unbelievable skill set. But he needs to play. He's going to train on the court, obviously find pickup games here and there. But the way this goes, we're here in October and tomorrow we're in March. It goes like that.

"So any rookie that comes into our league, it still takes time for them to develop. So he has a skill set that you -- he's 6-9½ with a guard skill set. And again, the challenge would be the actual play part. And that's OK; he's accepting that. I tell him all the time -- we just talked this morning -- 'Even if you have to play one-on-one, one-on-none to work on certain things, that's what we have to do.' But I'm not going to throw him out there with just anybody and have him play. That's not going to happen."

Bazley's move won't come without controversy.

On Wednesday, Syracuse coach Jim Boeheim -- who later tweeted he wished Bazley the best and even called Paul to apologize -- told Stadium's Jeff Goodman, "LeBron did a nice job helping his client. It is LeBron's client, right?"

James was quick to respond via social media.



Paul said he wasn't certain whether more players would follow Bazley's path.

"It's not for everybody, so I'm not going to sit here and say anyone should follow this path," Paul said. "This was just the right path for Darius Bazley. This is the right path for Darius Bazley and his family. It takes a collective group of people; his mom was very understanding and willing to allow me to advise them as a family. And the parents are important in this, as well. It's not just me. The parents are very important. And you have to work together with families to help them understand why this is important."

Paul said the college route is "the right thing" for most players.

"Because you need to learn how to play the game," Paul said. "And you need to learn how to mature as a man."

New Balance hasn't marketed basketball shoes since the 1990s. Bazley, who decided not to play in the development league, is the first athlete signed to promote the company's reentry into the basketball shoe market. Paul said Bazley would start the three-month position in January and work out of Boston.


"They wanted to be able to tell his story and to tell it the right way," Paul said of New Balance. "For me, I don't have a platform for NBA scouts to reach out and call and say, 'Well, what's his character like? How's he doing in class?'

"And so, I presented to him," Paul said. "I said, 'Let's do this deal, but while doing this deal, let's implement this into the deal.' And so he's going to be an intern. He starts in January; it's for three months. He'll be in Boston. He'll work out and train there. And he's able to learn a business that actually aligns with what he likes. He'll learn what goes into making a shoe. He'll learn about a storyboard -- why they picked a certain athlete that they pick. And so -- rollout plan, how to execute it."


I don't like to comment on these things because if I can be open about it, I wonder if there is some part of my feelings that is like, "old white guy" trying to tell young Black athletes and agents how to act. So I'm uncomfortable with myself here because I never ever want to be that way. That said, I've always kind of disliked Rich Paul, and Klutch Sports and I have odd feelings about it, and if I was a GM would I want to have to deal with them? I'm not sure.
This might be a post I regret heh.
 
I don't like to comment on these things because if I can be open about it, I wonder if there is some part of my feelings that is like, "old white guy" trying to tell young Black athletes and agents how to act. So I'm uncomfortable with myself here because I never ever want to be that way. That said, I've always kind of disliked Rich Paul, and Klutch Sports and I have odd feelings about it, and if I was a GM would I want to have to deal with them? I'm not sure.
This might be a post I regret heh.

Rich Paul is a player's advocate. Nothing more. He's about the $$. And fuck him.

But here's the thing, He's right. :dunno:

Personally, I'd go take the million instead of dumbing down my on the ball defense to go play for Boheim.
 
Rich Paul is a player's advocate. Nothing more. He's about the $$. And fuck him.

But here's the thing, He's right. :dunno:

Personally, I'd go take the million instead of dumbing down my on the ball defense to go play for Boheim.
Thats kind of how I feel. I feel like he’s kind of a power / money hungry that I wouldn't trust though, at least as a GM. I completely understand GM’s arent all that trustworthy either.
 
Paul should be a players' advocate. That's his job. No one else is going to look out for the best interests of players.

If the Blazers believe in Bazley's talent, they should absolutely take him at 25 if he's there, IMO. Winning some gambles on high upside players is your best shot at getting over the hump from good to great.
 
Thats kind of how I feel. I feel like he’s kind of a power / money hungry that I wouldn't trust though, at least as a GM. I completely understand GM’s arent all that trustworthy either.

Think of it like this:

The players need an advocate.

The NCAA is the DEVIL... Such a SCANDALOUS organization of good old boys who are making billions off of "student" athletes.

The vast majority of "student" athletes don't earn a degree at all nor do they go pro.

It's modern day slavery and exploitation.
 
I don't like to comment on these things because if I can be open about it, I wonder if there is some part of my feelings that is like, "old white guy" trying to tell young Black athletes and agents how to act. So I'm uncomfortable with myself here because I never ever want to be that way. That said, I've always kind of disliked Rich Paul, and Klutch Sports and I have odd feelings about it, and if I was a GM would I want to have to deal with them? I'm not sure.
This might be a post I regret heh.

:dunno: The kid has already proclaimed himself a stone-cold mercenary who won't even pick up a basketball unless he is paid for it. When he gets to the NBA is he suddenly going to start caring about his team or the fans? Will he care about anything but his own minutes and stats? Is he so lacking in self-awareness he doesn't realize that a year in college or the G league would have made him a better player - or is his ego so huge he doesn't think he has anything to improve on?
 
:dunno: The kid has already proclaimed himself a stone-cold mercenary who won't even pick up a basketball unless he is paid for it. When he gets to the NBA is he suddenly going to start caring about his team or the fans? Will he care about anything but his own minutes and stats? Is he so lacking in self-awareness he doesn't realize that a year in college or the G league would have made him a better player - or is his ego so huge he doesn't think he has anything to improve on?

I'm sorry this is just a bullshit post and is completely backing the good ol' boy slavery system the NCAA has setup.

Lacking in self awareness?? Really???

Something tells me he's VERY self aware, otherwise Rich Paul wouldn't be his agent.

What makes you think he "doesn't think he has anything to improve on"? What makes you think you can read his mind? What makes you think he doesn't care about fans or team?

Maybe he says FUCK being a exploited "student" athlete who may get hurt and would rather get paid to get NBA coaching?

That's a sound decision if you ask me.
 
I'm sorry this is just a bullshit post and is completely backing the good ol' boy slavery system the NCAA has setup.

Lacking in self awareness?? Really???

Something tells me he's VERY self aware, otherwise Rich Paul wouldn't be his agent.

What makes you think he "doesn't think he has anything to improve on"? What makes you think you can read his mind? What makes you think he doesn't care about fans or team?

Maybe he says FUCK being a exploited "student" athlete who may get hurt and would rather get paid to get NBA coaching?

That's a sound decision if you ask me.
I'm sorry this is just a bullshit post and is completely backing the good ol' boy slavery system the NCAA has setup.

Lacking in self awareness?? Really???

Something tells me he's VERY self aware, otherwise Rich Paul wouldn't be his agent.

What makes you think he "doesn't think he has anything to improve on"? What makes you think you can read his mind? What makes you think he doesn't care about fans or team?

Maybe he says FUCK being a exploited "student" athlete who may get hurt and would rather get paid to get NBA coaching?

That's a sound decision if you ask me.

I agree the NCAA is corrupt as hell - but what about the G league or the Euro league? It's not like he didn't have options to just sitting out a year.
 
I agree the NCAA is corrupt as hell - but what about the G league or the Euro league? It's not like he didn't have options to just sitting out a year.

Why are you so upset about it? You'd do the exact same thing.

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Why are you so upset about it? You'd do the exact same thing.
You don't think it's perhaps just a tad presumptuous to be telling other people what they would do?
 
Don't they get paid in the G league? When did Euro league players start playing for free?

Okay, so why are you calling him a mercenary for wanting to be paid to play basketball? That's what I quoted, not your questioning of why he didn't play in the G League or Europe.
 
How much of your work life did you request to work for free?
Personally a lot! I requested to go on salary so I could work to my hearts content without worrying about how many hours I was working. I really like my job though, something very few people can say.
 
Personally a lot! I requested to go on salary so I could work to my hearts content without worrying about how many hours I was working. I really like my job though, something very few people can say.

That's pretty cool, though choosing to go on salary isn't the same thing as working for free. ;)

I do understand wanting to potentially work more than you're necessarily being paid for. My dad was the same way--worked late nights at home because it was a passion.

And honestly, I think many/most NBA players are the same way--they work more than they absolutely have to because basketball is a passion for them.
 
Personally a lot! I requested to go on salary so I could work to my hearts content without worrying about how many hours I was working. I really like my job though, something very few people can say.

You're a better man than me.

What confuses me is, why is Bazely a merc for getting a paid internship instead of taking pennies on the dollar to play in the G league or ZERO dollars to play on the plantation that is the NCAA.

Why are they not mercs?
 
Nope. @oldmangrouch ain't stupid!

Back in his day 1 million dollars would be worth what, 16 million today?

I'm actually complimenting his intelligence. ;)
Think about it though: if he had played NCAA ball--and played well--isn't it likely that he'd have improved his draft stock? In that case, is he actually "playing for free", or is he investing time/energy with the potential of increasing return?
 
I'm not "upset" - I'm explaining why I don't like the idea of the Blazers drafting him. As I have said before, I want the team to either draft a player (not a "prospect") or use the pick as a trade asset.

So then if we had it your way there'd be no Simons on the team.

What you're saying also makes no sense. Every rookie is a prospect. Every single one.
 
Think about it though: if he had played NCAA ball--and played well--isn't it likely that he'd have improved his draft stock? In that case, is he actually "playing for free", or is he investing time/energy with the potential of increasing return?

I'd refer to it as a minimization of risk. There's a price for piece of mind.
 
Think about it though: if he had played NCAA ball--and played well--isn't it likely that he'd have improved his draft stock? In that case, is he actually "playing for free", or is he investing time/energy with the potential of increasing return?

He's playing for free because A. he's not receiving any piece of the revenue he's helping generate, B. he could improve his abilities and draft stock playing in a paid league and C. if he's injured, he realizes none of that "increasing return."

The NCAA system is pretty terrible and I hope more players start circumventing it.
 
Think of it like this:

The players need an advocate.

The NCAA is the DEVIL... Such a SCANDALOUS organization of good old boys who are making billions off of "student" athletes.

The vast majority of "student" athletes don't earn a degree at all nor do they go pro.

It's modern day slavery and exploitation.
I don't disagree about the NCAA or the college system as a whole. You think Student athletes have it bad? I think all students have it bad, you get pretty much ripped off and put into debt early in your life just to get a job you probably didn't want to begin with.

Also I understand Rich Paul is an advocate for his clients and that's his job, I'm ok with that too.

What I'm not sure I like is that Rich Paul / Klutch sports seems to always be involved with chemistry issues, and guys "trying to get there's" and not being about their team. If I was a GM, I would be concerned about what his clients might do for the Chemistry of the team I want to build. Now all of that is ok, an Athlete's window is small, they want to make the money while they can and I absolutely understand that. It's business, and GM's are just as slimey for the most part as anyone. I'm just saying I'd be concerned about bringing on RP/Klutch just because I'd be looking for guys who want to win as a team. Not sure if that makes sense.
 
He's playing for free because A. he's not receiving any piece of the revenue he's helping generate, B. he could improve his abilities and draft stock playing in a paid league and C. if he's injured, he realizes none of that "increasing return."
He's "playing for free" in the same way that people investing money in uncertain vehicles are "spending money on nothing".

True, he's not receiving a piece of the pie (tuition, but that's minor). Kind of like investors getting small dividends.
Yes, he could improve his abilities elsewhere. Kind of like how investors could invest their money elsewhere--it's up to the investor to decide which route likely nets the best return (or lowest risk).
Yes, if he's injured, he realizes none of that potential return. Kind of like how if a company goes bankrupt, the investors lose their money.

As I said, for first-round-caliber prospects, playing NCAA ball is an investment. It provides exposure that would likely not be as easily/readily available via other means. I see no issue with players choosing to forego college hoops, but it is disingenuous to claim that those who do play realize no benefit from it.
 
So then if we had it your way there'd be no Simons on the team.

What you're saying also makes no sense. Every rookie is a prospect. Every single one.

Now you're getting into semantics. In baseball, this type of player is called a "toolsgoof". They have all the physical talent needed, but have never learned how to actually play the game. These are the kids who look like Roger Clemans at 18, and need Tommy John surgery by 20 because they destroyed their own arm with bad mechanics.

In this case the consequences are less dire, but for a team trying to contend it is still a waste of an asset. I don't care if a kid like Kabengele has a hypothetically lower ceiling - if he can help the team in the next couple of years, IMHO he is a better option.

I don't expect to change your mind, I'm just explaining my position.:cheers:
 
You're a better man than me.

What confuses me is, why is Bazely a merc for getting a paid internship instead of taking pennies on the dollar to play in the G league or ZERO dollars to play on the plantation that is the NCAA.

Why are they not mercs?
I think you could make an argument that most people are mercs, basketball players included. I don't have a huge problem with it or RP in that regard there all out trying to "get theirs". It creates an interesting world though when everyone is out to gain for themselves.
I mean we hate on the NCAA, but really aren't they doing the same? Just out making their money and getting away with not sharing it? I mean it sucks but it seems like there's a bunch of money out there somewhere that these people are all out fighting over who's going to get the bigger amount.

The NCAA is out for themselves.
The Athletes are out for themselves.
The NBA is out for themselves.
The Agents are out for themselves.

Seems to be a theme.
 

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