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dviss1 said:
No, Medicare for all.

And yes we can afford it.
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I’m all for it, but I don’t think she will produce. I can’t imagine someone with such a horrendous take on prescription prices producing a solid healthcare plan. If you consider prescriptions part of healthcare, her plan is already shit. A $500 “cap” on prescriptions is just a license for big pharma to charge $500 a month for anything and everything they want. And you know they will.
 
dviss1 said:
Tulsi was HOT AF tonight.... I got a crush...

Too bad I don't agree with her on a few fronts. I wouldn't vote for her in the primary.
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Both attractive and intelligent and shes a bad ass veteran...damn

I won't vote for her in the primary either though
 
The Professional Fan said:
Warren/Buttigieg ticket would be my choice at this point

I’d pay money to see Warren shred Trump in the debates. It’d be a blood bath.
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I could see Buttigieg giving him the most trouble in a debate. Kamala Harris would also shred him. I wouldn't mind seeing a number of Democrats debate him.
My problem with Warren is her polling places her in a statistical tie with Trump. The same polling shows Biden with the best chance of beating Trump.
There must be close to ten Democrats that I wouldn't mind seeing getting the nomination. The losers could then either get the Vice Presidential nomination or cabinet positions.
My favorites just off the top of my head are:
1. Buttigieg;
2. Harris;
3. Sanders;
4. Warren;
6. Biden;
7. Booker;
8. Castro;
9. Klobuchar;
10. O'Rourke.
 
Biden better but not great. Good on offense, struggled on defense. Harris on her heels when attacked. Gabbard well prepared. I like Gillebrand. In a smaller field she would do better but struggles to find her niche. Booker and Castro were strong. More interesting than first night as there were more strong candidates, night one was Warren, Sanders, and no chance.

Running on attacking Obama not good idea. It's one thing to say move forward, not back as Biden is trying to do, it's another to slam President Obama as campaign strategy
 
The biggest problem with the 2 parties today is that no moderate has a chance to represent the party. The people on the left and right are so determined to get their way they want extreme.

COMPROMISE has completely been thrown to the side.
 
Mediocre Man said:
The biggest problem with the 2 parties today is that no moderate has a chance to represent the party. The people on the left and right are so determined to get their way they want extreme.

COMPROMISE has completely been thrown to the side.
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Obama = moderate
Bill Clinton = moderate
Hillary = fucking moderate
Joe Biden = a goddamn NOTHER moderate....

WTF are you talking about?? The Dems shove moderates down our throats. We're sick of moderates.

We're fucking sick of moderates!!

Jay Inslee is right, you can't take Biden's bullshit moderate approach to climate change.
 
jonnyboy said:
I’m all for it, but I don’t think she will produce. I can’t imagine someone with such a horrendous take on prescription prices producing a solid healthcare plan. If you consider prescriptions part of healthcare, her plan is already shit. A $500 “cap” on prescriptions is just a license for big pharma to charge $500 a month for anything and everything they want. And you know they will.
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Bro, Medicare for all negotiates Pharma prices.

Read up. Right now, there is NO cap. Right now, status quo, that Epi-Pen FUCK can charge whatever the Hell he wants right? Go ahead and research the price for that drug. I'll wait.
 
jonnyboy said:
I’m all for it, but I don’t think she will produce. I can’t imagine someone with such a horrendous take on prescription prices producing a solid healthcare plan. If you consider prescriptions part of healthcare, her plan is already shit. A $500 “cap” on prescriptions is just a license for big pharma to charge $500 a month for anything and everything they want. And you know they will.
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You're so wrong on this.

My ex wife's life saving drug Syprine costs over $2000 a month.
 
dviss1 said:
Bro, Medicare for all negotiates Pharma prices.

Read up. Right now, there is NO cap. Right now, status quo, that Epi-Pen FUCK can charge whatever the Hell he wants right? Go ahead and research the price for that drug. I'll wait.
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I get it, but Warren’s “compromise” is laughable. Its like setting a $100 cap on gallons of milk. So ridiculously high it completely negates the purpose of a cap altogether. She’s just offsetting the price from one area of healthcare to another, trying to appease the corporate masters.
 
dviss1 said:
You're so wrong on this.

My ex wife's life saving drug Syprine costs over $2000 a month.
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There is NO logical or ethical reason it should cost that much! That’s corporate price gouging and has to stop. Our current system allows corporations to profit off of sick people and it is so wrong.
 
jonnyboy said:
I get it, but Warren’s “compromise” is laughable. Its like setting a $100 cap on gallons of milk. So ridiculously high it completely negates the purpose of a cap altogether. She’s just offsetting the price from one area of healthcare to another, trying to appease the corporate masters.
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You're wrong on the wording of her propasal, and you need to do more research on the monthly price of prescription drugs.

Plain and simple.
 
jonnyboy said:
There is NO logical or ethical reason it should cost that much! That’s corporate price gouging and has to stop. Our current system allows corporations to profit off of sick people and it is so wrong.
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Which is why her plan Medicare For All negotiates prescription drug prices.
 
dviss1 said:
No, 100% of liberals do not love Obama's policies of:

Drone strikes
Mass deportations
Continuation of Bush Tax Cuts
Capitulation on the public option
The Surge
Did basically nothing for black people except be black

I could go on but you get the point. Obama wasn't some goddamn socialist.

He was Republican Lite.
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100% love Obama. Is what I said.
 
What's not being talked about by many people is drug companies are buying gene and stem cell therapy businesses and shelving their research and breakthroughs. It's far more profitable to treat diseases and medical problems throughout someone's lifetime than it is to cure them once and for all.
 
SlyPokerDog said:
What's not being talked about by many people is drug companies are buying gene and stem cell therapy businesses and shelving their research and breakthroughs. It's far more profitable to treat diseases and medical problems throughout someone's lifetime than it is to cure them once and for all.
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Just sad. That's why Bernie and Warren make sense, even though I think their ideas are essentially DOA.
 
SlyPokerDog said:
What's not being talked about by many people is drug companies are buying gene and stem cell therapy businesses and shelving their research and breakthroughs. It's far more profitable to treat diseases and medical problems throughout someone's lifetime than it is to cure them once and for all.
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The cures are out there. Your right, big pharma has bought them and kept them hidden. There is no money in cures.
 
Stevenson said:
Just sad. That's why Bernie and Warren make sense, even though I think their ideas are essentially DOA.
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At least they have the balls to take on big pharma, the oil companies, etc. Their corrupt influence needs to be removed from our government. They spend millions to elect candidates who will get rid of regulations and make bigger loopholes for them. Because these giant corporations are so in control and in the pockets of our government, it is an improbable feat at this point to remove them. So, it is easy to say Warren, Bernie, or anyone else who would stand against them are too radical or are out of their element and wave them off.
 
dviss1 said:
Obama = moderate
Bill Clinton = moderate
Hillary = fucking moderate
Joe Biden = a goddamn NOTHER moderate....

WTF are you talking about?? The Dems shove moderates down our throats. We're sick of moderates.

We're fucking sick of moderates!!

Jay Inslee is right, you can't take Biden's bullshit moderate approach to climate change.
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Hillary and Biden are not moderate

Obama and Bill were, but they aren't really today, are they?
 
Chris Craig said:
The cures are out there. Your right, big pharma has bought them and kept them hidden. There is no money in cures.
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Why are the cure-makers selling out to big pharma? Are they just in it for the money too?
 
The Professional Fan said:
Jesus that is depressing
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Because it's true

I bet you there are cures for Aids and Cancer out there...for other diseases that as far as we know have no cure. They are out there. They are hidden for profit and maybe even for population control.
 
PtldPlatypus said:
Why are the cure-makers selling out to big pharma? Are they just in it for the money too?
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They don't have much of a choice. The companies they work for are being bought out. Big Pharma now owns the cures. The scientists can't reveal them because they no longer belong them and they will be sued into the ground, not to mention they are probably threatned in other ways. They are given the option of taking lots of money to take care of their families or to have their lives destroyed.
 
Mediocre Man said:
Hillary and Biden are not moderate

Obama and Bill were, but they aren't really today, are they?
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What would you consider Biden and Hillary, if not moderate? Because neither one of them is liberal, in any way shape or form.
 
julius said:
What would you consider Biden and Hillary, if not moderate? Because neither one of them is liberal, in any way shape or form.
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Biden is definitely more moderate than some of the whack jobs.

Hilary is not running, is she?
 
Beholden to corporate interests equals "moderate" now?

Good to know.
 
Bernie is still my number 1 but Yang is a close second and a couple of the other candidates (Booker, Warren) are really growing on me. I don't like Harris at all, and I don't get what anyone sees in Gabbard except that she's the most attractive person out there. Buttigieg is a big old 'meh' for me but I can't say I dislike him. Inslee made an impression, he would be a good VP. Overall I'm glad the field is getting cut down for the next debates.
 
My personal choice would be a Warren/Castro ticket.

Castro and Booker are positioning themselves IMO for the VP slot. They are kicking in debates but just too many candidates for them to gain a lot. But either could be an asset on a ticket. Although if a man is the nominee I think the VP will be a woman.
 
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