Politics 2020 Debate part 2

Welcome to our community

Be a part of something great, join today!

Register Log in

Users who are viewing this thread

Total: 1 (members: 0, guests: 1)
MARIS61 said:
Dementia has set in to stay.

Confusion at the Iowa State Fair? Biden says ‘we choose truth over facts'

By Andrew O'Reilly | Fox News

It has been an unsteady week for Democratic presidential primary frontrunner Joe Biden when it comes to onstage appearances.

The former vice president’s travails appeared to continue on Thursday while on the stump at the Iowa State Fair, where he seemed to mix up his words during a speech to fairgoers.

“We choose science over fiction,” Biden said. “We choose truth over facts.”

It is unclear what phrase Biden was reaching for, or if he meant "truth over facts” in some fashion.

The question arose just days after the candidate misstated the locations of mass shootings in El Paso, Texas, and Dayton, Ohio, while speaking to donors at a high-dollar fundraiser in San Diego.

Biden, 76, mistakenly referred to the shootings as “the tragic events in Houston today and also in Michigan the day before," but later corrected himself, according to a pool report. Biden seemingly confused Houston for El Paso and Michigan for Ohio when speaking to donors about the shootings.

Video
Such mistakes are not unique to any one candidate. President Trump, for instance, on Monday misstated the location of one of the mass shootings that rocked the nation over the weekend – referring to Toledo instead of Dayton – during a speech in which he condemned the "monstrous evil" that left at least 30 dead.

For his part, Biden has had other mixups on the campaign trail. In May, Biden confused former British Prime Minister Margaret Thatcher, who left office in 1990, with then-Prime Minister Theresa May.
Click to expand...
lol then Trumps dementia kicked in awhile ago if this is the bar.

Start the impeachment process, maris approved
 
Did the candidates agree on what proper forum posting etiquette should be?
 
jonnyboy said:
Probably not, but I’d be willing to bet they support regime change efforts in the Middle East, for better or worse. I think that’s enough of a reason to actively dislike an anti-war candidate.
Click to expand...

You want a president to be pro war? You should get Bolden to run then. We would likely have plenty of wars.
 
jonnyboy said:
Once again, you’ve completely missed the mark.
Click to expand...

I can only read your words, not your mind.

I think that’s enough of a reason to actively dislike an anti-war candidate by johnnyboy
 
MARIS61 said:
Dementia has set in to stay.

Confusion at the Iowa State Fair? Biden says ‘we choose truth over facts'

By Andrew O'Reilly | Fox News

It has been an unsteady week for Democratic presidential primary frontrunner Joe Biden when it comes to onstage appearances.

The former vice president’s travails appeared to continue on Thursday while on the stump at the Iowa State Fair, where he seemed to mix up his words during a speech to fairgoers.

“We choose science over fiction,” Biden said. “We choose truth over facts.”

It is unclear what phrase Biden was reaching for, or if he meant "truth over facts” in some fashion.

The question arose just days after the candidate misstated the locations of mass shootings in El Paso, Texas, and Dayton, Ohio, while speaking to donors at a high-dollar fundraiser in San Diego.

Biden, 76, mistakenly referred to the shootings as “the tragic events in Houston today and also in Michigan the day before," but later corrected himself, according to a pool report. Biden seemingly confused Houston for El Paso and Michigan for Ohio when speaking to donors about the shootings.

Video
Such mistakes are not unique to any one candidate. President Trump, for instance, on Monday misstated the location of one of the mass shootings that rocked the nation over the weekend – referring to Toledo instead of Dayton – during a speech in which he condemned the "monstrous evil" that left at least 30 dead.

For his part, Biden has had other mixups on the campaign trail. In May, Biden confused former British Prime Minister Margaret Thatcher, who left office in 1990, with then-Prime Minister Theresa May.
Click to expand...
Did he say that in Pleasure, California of Toledo, Ohio?
 
CupWizier said:
I can only read your words, not your mind.

I think that’s enough of a reason to actively dislike an anti-war candidate by johnnyboy
Click to expand...
I was referring to jewishinsider.com smearing Tulsi Gabbard because she’s anti war. I was criticizing them for it because I’m also anti war. I was questioning their motives as to why they would smear an anti war candidate.

Once again, the context has completely escaped you and you’ve cherry picked a “gotcha!” Quote out of context.
 
jonnyboy said:
I was referring to jewishinsider.com smearing Tulsi Gabbard because she’s anti war. I was criticizing them for it because I’m also anti war. I was questioning their motives as to why they would smear an anti war candidate.

Once again, the context has completely escaped you and you’ve cherry picked a “gotcha!” Quote out of context.
Click to expand...

Like I said, I can't read your mind but can only read your words. Can we end this worthless banter now?
 
jonnyboy said:
I was referring to jewishinsider.com smearing Tulsi Gabbard because she’s anti war. I was criticizing them for it because I’m also anti war. I was questioning their motives as to why they would smear an anti war candidate.
Click to expand...

You keep saying 'smear'. Do you have any evidence that what they printed was untrue?

barfo
 
barfo said:
You keep saying 'smear'. Do you have any evidence that what they printed was untrue?

barfo
Click to expand...
‘Smear’ doesn’t necessarily mean ‘lie’. Aggressively trying to discredit someone using dubious claims could be considered smearing.

Like Hillary and Benghazi. None of that was necessarily false, but at the same time many on the right were actively using those circumstances, whether dubious or not, to try and discredit (or smear) her.
 
jonnyboy said:
‘Smear’ doesn’t necessarily mean ‘lie’. Aggressively trying to discredit someone using dubious claims could be considered smearing.

Like Hillary and Benghazi. None of that was necessarily false, but at the same time many on the right were actively using those circumstances, whether dubious or not, to try and discredit (or smear) her.
Click to expand...

As I remember it, all jewishinsider.com did was report what the Daily Stormer wrote. That reporting is either factual or not - it's not a matter of opinion.

Certainly many people tried to smear Hillary on Benghazi, but I wouldn't consider reporting on the facts surrounding Benghazi to be a smear, even if the subject is only brought up for political reasons.

I'd say even pointing out that Donald Trump was a bedwetter up to the age of 19 isn't a smear, if it's an actual fact (it isn't, so far as I know, because I just made that up to smear him).

Anyway, people probably are out to get Tulsi - there are knives out for most all the candidates now. But that doesn't mean that any attack is a smear.

I think the interesting thing about this one is - why are the Nazi's supporting, or pretending to support, Tulsi rather than someone else? Are they trying to boost her candidacy or sink it? And if the former, is it to weaken another candidate, or because they actually like her?

I don't think it has much to do with Tulsi herself, I do not think she's trying to appeal to Nazis. But then again, she did willingly meet with one in Trump Tower after the 2016 election.

barfo
 
This is sadder than Reagan's final days...

Biden says he was VP at time of Parkland shooting in latest campaign gaffe
By Louis Casiano | Fox News

Joe Biden slipped up once again on the campaign trail Saturday, saying he was vice president at the time of the mass shooting at Marjory Stoneman Douglas High School in Parkland, Fla., adding to the number of mishaps that have drawn mockery from his opponents.

The 76-year-old Biden, who left the vice presidency in 2017, was talking about gun violence with reporters in Iowa when he said that “those kids in Parkland came up to see me when I was vice president" after the shooting that left 14 students and three educators dead.

The gaffe is the latest in a string of blunders that has dogged the 2020 Democratic frontrunner.

On Thursday, the former vice president told a crowd that "poor kids were just as bright and talented as white kids."

Earlier this week, Biden mistakenly said the recent mass shootings in El Paso, Texas and Dayton, Ohio took place in Houston and Michigan.

President Trump has tried to seize on Biden's well-publicized gaffes to make the case that he isn't fit to lead the country. On Friday, the president said Biden "is not playing with a full deck" in response to his "poor kids" comments.

Trump also piled on Saturday, asking on Twitter if Biden was fit to be president.

"Joe Biden just said, 'We believe in facts, not truth.' Does anybody really believe he is mentally fit to be president? We are 'playing' in a very big and complicated world. Joe doesn’t have a clue!"

The tweet appears to refer to Biden's Thursday speech at the Iowa State Fair when he said: “We choose science over fiction. We choose truth over facts.”
 
MARIS61 said:
This is sadder than Reagan's final days...

Biden says he was VP at time of Parkland shooting in latest campaign gaffe
By Louis Casiano | Fox News

Joe Biden slipped up once again on the campaign trail Saturday, saying he was vice president at the time of the mass shooting at Marjory Stoneman Douglas High School in Parkland, Fla., adding to the number of mishaps that have drawn mockery from his opponents.

The 76-year-old Biden, who left the vice presidency in 2017, was talking about gun violence with reporters in Iowa when he said that “those kids in Parkland came up to see me when I was vice president" after the shooting that left 14 students and three educators dead.

The gaffe is the latest in a string of blunders that has dogged the 2020 Democratic frontrunner.

On Thursday, the former vice president told a crowd that "poor kids were just as bright and talented as white kids."

Earlier this week, Biden mistakenly said the recent mass shootings in El Paso, Texas and Dayton, Ohio took place in Houston and Michigan.

President Trump has tried to seize on Biden's well-publicized gaffes to make the case that he isn't fit to lead the country. On Friday, the president said Biden "is not playing with a full deck" in response to his "poor kids" comments.

Trump also piled on Saturday, asking on Twitter if Biden was fit to be president.

"Joe Biden just said, 'We believe in facts, not truth.' Does anybody really believe he is mentally fit to be president? We are 'playing' in a very big and complicated world. Joe doesn’t have a clue!"

The tweet appears to refer to Biden's Thursday speech at the Iowa State Fair when he said: “We choose science over fiction. We choose truth over facts.”
Click to expand...
Orange you glad he did that?
 
Lanny said:
Whatever the cost, you can't let people suffer with illness or physical problems and no health care. You wouldn't let you wife or children go without medical care. What makes you think that poor people are less deserving?
Click to expand...

What makes you think poor people are more deserving than someone who pays their own way? If you are a poor, able-bodied adult of sound mind in America, actually poor, then it's likely you are either lazy, or stupid. Certainly not what I'd call deserving.

This is exactly what Obamacare did to my family, and most of the 14 million self-employed Americans, which includes some of our most ingenious and industrious immigrants. We were instantly priced out of our private insurance, which rose immediately in cost due to taxes Obama put on it. Then we were forced to use Obamacare, which was way more than our previous private, then got cancelled midyear with no alternative because I could not "predict" my future earnings (Real Estate commissions on however many homes I might sell and at what price) for the year to their satisfaction. Then they levied fines of thousands of dollars because I did not have insurance. This went on for 3 years straight, with us paying an average of $15,000-$20,000 in fines and totally useless Obamacare insurance with a $12,500 deductible. All the while one or both of us was paying 100% out of pocket for extensive healthcare that had always been covered by insurance for before Obamacare.

The next 3-4 years we just paid out of pocket and didn't even apply for Obamacare, and borrowed on our home to pay the fines. Last year we are finally free from unconstitutional taxes and fines again, thanks to POTUS Trump. Overall, Obamacare was about a $50,000 theft from our family which we will never recover, leaving us without health insurance in our sixties. I will get Medicare next year but my wife has 5 years before she qualifies. Sanders/Warren are trying to see to it that there's nothing left for her in 5 years.

On the plus side, most healthcare providers in Beautiful Central Oregon will give you a discount of 25%-40% if you have no insurance.

Supposed universal healthcare would make Obamacare seem a bargain, while bankrupting Medicare within the first 2 years.

People with 3-digit IQ's realize this instantly, which is why the commies will never have a chance at our Presidency.

TRUMP 2020!
 
MARIS61 said:
What makes you think poor people are more deserving than someone who pays their own way? If you are a poor, able-bodied adult of sound mind in America, actually poor, then it's likely you are either lazy, or stupid. Certainly not what I'd call deserving.

This is exactly what Obamacare did to my family, and most of the 14 million self-employed Americans, which includes some of our most ingenious and industrious immigrants. We were instantly priced out of our private insurance, which rose immediately in cost due to taxes Obama put on it. Then we were forced to use Obamacare, which was way more than our previous private, then got cancelled midyear with no alternative because I could not "predict" my future earnings (Real Estate commissions on however many homes I might sell and at what price) for the year to their satisfaction. Then they levied fines of thousands of dollars because I did not have insurance. This went on for 3 years straight, with us paying an average of $15,000-$20,000 in fines and totally useless Obamacare insurance with a $12,500 deductible. All the while one or both of us was paying 100% out of pocket for extensive healthcare that had always been covered by insurance for before Obamacare.

The next 3-4 years we just paid out of pocket and didn't even apply for Obamacare, and borrowed on our home to pay the fines. Last year we are finally free from unconstitutional taxes and fines again, thanks to POTUS Trump. Overall, Obamacare was about a $50,000 theft from our family which we will never recover, leaving us without health insurance in our sixties. I will get Medicare next year but my wife has 5 years before she qualifies. Sanders/Warren are trying to see to it that there's nothing left for her in 5 years.

On the plus side, most healthcare providers in Beautiful Central Oregon will give you a discount of 25%-40% if you have no insurance.

Supposed universal healthcare would make Obamacare seem a bargain, while bankrupting Medicare within the first 2 years.

People with 3-digit IQ's realize this instantly, which is why the commies will never have a chance at our Presidency.

TRUMP 2020!
Click to expand...
Sorry, Im not buying it, you came up with 50k for the government to, “steal”, but couldn't get private insurance? The insurance would've been a heck of a lot less...

Also, your last comment is ridiculous. Many incredibly intelligent people disagree on things all the time. Many very intelligent people will vote for Trump and many intelligent people will vote for someone else.
 
I am not buying Maris' numbers. It's impossible to pay as much in fines as he suggests, as the fines are (were) capped at a much lower number.

barfo
 
MARIS61 said:
What makes you think poor people are more deserving than someone who pays their own way? If you are a poor, able-bodied adult of sound mind in America, actually poor, then it's likely you are either lazy, or stupid. Certainly not what I'd call deserving.

This is exactly what Obamacare did to my family, and most of the 14 million self-employed Americans, which includes some of our most ingenious and industrious immigrants. We were instantly priced out of our private insurance, which rose immediately in cost due to taxes Obama put on it. Then we were forced to use Obamacare, which was way more than our previous private, then got cancelled midyear with no alternative because I could not "predict" my future earnings (Real Estate commissions on however many homes I might sell and at what price) for the year to their satisfaction. Then they levied fines of thousands of dollars because I did not have insurance. This went on for 3 years straight, with us paying an average of $15,000-$20,000 in fines and totally useless Obamacare insurance with a $12,500 deductible. All the while one or both of us was paying 100% out of pocket for extensive healthcare that had always been covered by insurance for before Obamacare.

The next 3-4 years we just paid out of pocket and didn't even apply for Obamacare, and borrowed on our home to pay the fines. Last year we are finally free from unconstitutional taxes and fines again, thanks to POTUS Trump. Overall, Obamacare was about a $50,000 theft from our family which we will never recover, leaving us without health insurance in our sixties. I will get Medicare next year but my wife has 5 years before she qualifies. Sanders/Warren are trying to see to it that there's nothing left for her in 5 years.

On the plus side, most healthcare providers in Beautiful Central Oregon will give you a discount of 25%-40% if you have no insurance.

Supposed universal healthcare would make Obamacare seem a bargain, while bankrupting Medicare within the first 2 years.

People with 3-digit IQ's realize this instantly, which is why the commies will never have a chance at our Presidency.

TRUMP 2020!
Click to expand...
Where did you get the totally false idea that I think poor people are more deserving of health care than the wealthy? To further clarify, I'm saying that the poor ought to get reasonable health care. For me, it's a Christian value.
By the way, when my mother-in-law lived with us she had zero health insurance and we got zero deductible from her health care for having no health care insurance.
 
Lanny said:
Where did you get the totally false idea that I think poor people are more deserving of health care than the wealthy? To further clarify, I'm saying that the poor ought to get reasonable health care. For me, it's a Christian value.
Click to expand...

Then tithe to your heart's content. There's nothing at all Christian about stealing other people's money for your own purposes.

The government is forbidden from collecting/spending taxes for religious purposes.
 
Pete Buttigieg's question to woman who shook RFK's hand takes awkward turn

By Alex Pappas | Fox News
White House hopeful Mayor Pete Buttigieg flies private more than any other 2020 Democrat.

Presidential candidate and South Bend, Ind., Mayor Pete Buttigieg had an awkward campaign trail encounter Tuesday with a woman in Iowa who told him she once met the late-Robert F. Kennedy.

The Democrat was campaigning at the Iowa State Fair when a woman approached him and said she met Kennedy in 1968, according to a tweet from a CNN producer.

“I shook Robert Kennedy’s hand in 1968,” the woman told him.

Buttigieg responded: “So you’re good luck?”

“Not really— he was shot a month later,” the woman said.
 
MARIS61 said:
Then tithe to your heart's content. There's nothing at all Christian about stealing other people's money for your own purposes.

The government is forbidden from collecting/spending taxes for religious purposes.
Click to expand...
You didn't even come close to answering my question. You could have at least said "I have no idea".
 
MARIS61 said:
Pete Buttigieg's question to woman who shook RFK's hand takes awkward turn

By Alex Pappas | Fox News
White House hopeful Mayor Pete Buttigieg flies private more than any other 2020 Democrat.

Presidential candidate and South Bend, Ind., Mayor Pete Buttigieg had an awkward campaign trail encounter Tuesday with a woman in Iowa who told him she once met the late-Robert F. Kennedy.

The Democrat was campaigning at the Iowa State Fair when a woman approached him and said she met Kennedy in 1968, according to a tweet from a CNN producer.

“I shook Robert Kennedy’s hand in 1968,” the woman told him.

Buttigieg responded: “So you’re good luck?”

“Not really— he was shot a month later,” the woman said.
Click to expand...
I once shook the hand of John Kennedy. It was at the Lloyd Center probably in 1960.
 
Hickenlooper is said to be announcing his exit tomorrow. Hopefully he's running for Senate instead.

barfo
 
I thought Obamacare was atrocious when it happened. It helped a few at the expense of many more. Of COURSE I wish everyone had health insurance. But you don’t give it to millions at the expense (huge expense, not like a few bucks each) of everyone else. When deductibles and premium go up like this, you have a terribly broken system. I think the way out is thru massive changes that might not make anyone happy in the short term. It’ll never happen because the way politics is now neither side will budge. One side will push Medicare for all and the other wants to go back to private insurance and the poor will have to figure it out (meaning just go to the ER). I think insurance companies should have a maximum profit. Same with hospitals. Nobody in good conscience should be happy about the nations largest insurer posting profits YOY in the billions and paying their CEO $40m a year. It just can’t happen. I’m all for people making money but not when people are literally losing their lives because they can’t afford care.
 
calvin natt said:
I thought Obamacare was atrocious when it happened. It helped a few at the expense of many more. Of COURSE I wish everyone had health insurance. But you don’t give it to millions at the expense (huge expense, not like a few bucks each) of everyone else. When deductibles and premium go up like this, you have a terribly broken system. I think the way out is thru massive changes that might not make anyone happy in the short term. It’ll never happen because the way politics is now neither side will budge. One side will push Medicare for all and the other wants to go back to private insurance and the poor will have to figure it out (meaning just go to the ER). I think insurance companies should have a maximum profit. Same with hospitals. Nobody in good conscience should be happy about the nations largest insurer posting profits YOY in the billions and paying their CEO $40m a year. It just can’t happen. I’m all for people making money but not when people are literally losing their lives because they can’t afford care.
Click to expand...

Yes. The worst thing about that program was loading young people with huge costs for health insurance required by the government. Where rightfully they belong in a risk pool that should be very low cost. The government has no authority to screw around
with business or peoples lives in this way. This sort of thing should only happen by the super majority required by a Constitutional amendment. Very doubtful such a thing could pass.
 
You must log in or register to reply here.
Back
Top