2020 Free Agency Thread

[B-Roy]

this says otherwise: https://www.detroitbadboys.com/2020...-wood-detroit-pistons-john-hollinger-analysis

I was basing cap space numbers off a tweet earlier today, but they also made a bunch of moves today, and waived Maker who was 5 million, so maybe they have enough room now. But they definitely don’t have full bird rights. His contract was two seasons, most he could have is early bird rights.

 

[B-Roy]

https://forums.realgm.com/boards/viewtopic.php?f=14&t=2019147&start=20

This thread has some discussion as well. Conflicting calculations of anywhere between 9 to 14 million.

 

[blazerkor]

Because not every player is going to be part of the rotation, duh? The trade would be an asset play, I could give two fucks if he ever steps onto the floor. But to act like players never get signed to sit on the bench and provide leadership is dumb. Teams do this all the time, we even did so last year by signing Gasol. Udonis Haslem is still in the league. And we would get two seconds out of it, which is basically Neil's favorite trade asset.

We did it years back with Juwan Howard too.

 

[perkinsfor3]

Sign Damyean Dotson, sign Shaquille Harrison and sign Millsap.

 

[BonesJones]

Sign Damyean Dotson, sign Shaquille Harrison and sign Millsap.

We don't need to sign any perimeter players, let alone two since Roco would be our starting 3 with Millsap.

Lillard / McCollum
McCollum / Trent
Roco / Hood
Millsap / ?
Nurkic / Collins?

We'd need a backup big there.

 

[blazerkor]

We don't need to sign any perimeter players, let alone two since Roco would be our starting 3 with Millsap.

Lillard / McCollum
McCollum / Trent
Roco / Hood
Millsap / ?
Nurkic / Collins?

We'd need a backup big there.

Noel with the BAE?

 

[perkinsfor3]

We don't need to sign any perimeter players, let alone two since Roco would be our starting 3 with Millsap.

Lillard / McCollum
McCollum / Trent
Roco / Hood
Millsap / ?
Nurkic / Collins?

We'd need a backup big there.

We could definitelt use peeimater players who can create and score, and who can defend. Dotson and Harrison will be cheap but good fits. You clearly saw this over the past years. Cov isnt a creator either.

 

[pougie]

We don't need to sign any perimeter players, let alone two since Roco would be our starting 3 with Millsap.

Lillard / McCollum
McCollum / Trent
Roco / Hood
Millsap / ?
Nurkic / Collins?

We'd need a backup big there.

I would agree if you said guards, I disagree that we don’t need perimeter players though. A guy like Crowder combined with Covington would essentially be a juiced up lineup version of Dame/CJ/Harkless/Aminu/Nurk. Guys like Crowder and Covington who are mobile enough to guard 3s and big enough to guard 4s AND can shoot 3s, you can’t get enough of those on this team.

Another option, if you really want to get Millsap, is to sign Jeff Green to the BAE, and start Hood/Covington with Trent/Green coming off the bench. And you’d still have the TPE to upgrade a spot.

 

[kjironman1]

Its weird there's all these Millsap to PDX rumors. We know Neil doesn't leak. So that means Millsap side is?

Either they are leaking because its true and he wants to get a different city to match as Chandler Parsons/ Spencer Hawes did?

Or its not true and they just want to get bidding going?

Or in the middle, its true but not a firm offer again to get bidding?

Just hope Neil isn't getting played. His record with cap space or MLE additions is bad.

So it's either "True" or "Not True"?
Yes I'm joking....

 

[kjironman1]

What teams would be interested in Whiteside?

Right now the Blazers. You guys forget we kind of need him still. You can't get much better of a backup big than that.
Collins is a PF. I know he can play the 5 at times but he is a PF. The Blazers need a big or they need to find a way to keep Whiteside in my opinion.

 

[PtldPlatypus]

Collins is a PF. I know he can play the 5 at times but he is a PF.

I think you're in the minority on that opinion.

 

[SharpesTriumph]

We don't need to sign any perimeter players, let alone two since Roco would be our starting 3 with Millsap.

Lillard / McCollum
McCollum / Trent
Roco / Hood
Millsap / ?
Nurkic / Collins?

We'd need a backup big there.

We don't know Hood or Neil wants to be on the team. Two way wings are the hardest position to fill so I still think it's our biggest need. RoCo doesn't have good ball handling, creation, or lockdown individual D for a SF so his best position may be some at PF. His help D is great.

Maybe we resign Melo as a backup PF.

 

[SharpesTriumph]

Right now the Blazers. You guys forget we kind of need him still. You can't get much better of a backup big than that.
Collins is a PF. I know he can play the 5 at times but he is a PF. The Blazers need a big or they need to find a way to keep Whiteside in my opinion.

Whiteside has talent but not sure he's worth the headache as a backup 5.

Collins is a backup big, with his injuries and inconsistent contributions we need other backup option at both PF and C. However C is the deepest position in the league and easy to address with vet minimum so we should prioritize all resources to adding forwards first.

 

[kjironman1]

Collins is a PF. I know he can play the 5 at times but he is a PF. The Blazers need a

I think you're in the minority on that opinion.

could be the case but there is a pretty strong case for it.

 

[kjironman1]

Whiteside has talent but not sure he's worth the headache as a backup 5.

Collins is a backup big, with his injuries and inconsistent contributions we need other backup option at both PF and C. However C is the deepest position in the league and easy to address with vet minimum so we should prioritize all resources to adding forwards first.

Couple issues I have with this. First off Whiteside hasn’t been a headache at all since being here.
Second Collins has had a shoulder injury and a minor foot injury. He has the quickness to be a PF and the outside shooting to back it up. Collins at this point has not been injury prone. He just got injured. All players get injuries. His happened to cost him a season. Now if you want to call him a foul machine I can agree there but a 22 year old or is it 23 now is not a player you call injury prone yet? I do say yet?

 

[PtldPlatypus]

could be the case but there is a pretty strong case for it.

Feel free to make that case. Your claim in the other post about his quickness and outside shooting is... less than convincing.

 

[BonesJones]

We don't know Hood or Neil wants to be on the team. Two way wings are the hardest position to fill so I still think it's our biggest need. RoCo doesn't have good ball handling, creation, or lockdown individual D for a SF so his best position may be some at PF. His help D is great.

Maybe we resign Melo as a backup PF.

Hood literally said he'll be back regardless of if he opts out earlier this year.

We have 3 players that are above average ball-handlers at their position (Dame, CJ, Nurk). Would be 4 if we sign Millsap or Gallinari. Roco will be just fine at the 3.

 

[TBpup]

We don't need to sign any perimeter players, let alone two since Roco would be our starting 3 with Millsap.

Lillard / McCollum
McCollum / Trent
Roco / Hood
Millsap / ?
Nurkic / Collins?

We'd need a backup big there.

@BonesJones ....What about bringing back Skal Labissiere? If memory serves, someone posted how well he did in certain areas when he was on the floor.

• 23 years old but it seems like he has been around longer.
• Career 35% shooter from '3' on very minimal attempts, but shows he at least has a stroke.
• Averaged almost 15/11 per 36 in his time in Portland with 2 blocks.
• Shot almost 60% from the field while he was here.
• Offensive Rating was 129 and 121 his 2 years here.
• His DBPM was positive both years he played here.
• Plays C and PF, 6'10' 240

 

[SharpesTriumph]

Hood literally said he'll be back regardless of if he opts out earlier this year.

We have 3 players that are above average ball-handlers at their position (Dame, CJ, Nurk). Would be 4 if we sign Millsap or Gallinari. Roco will be just fine at the 3.

LaMarcus said he'd be a Blazer too.

We secondly don't know Neil wants him back, he is averse to more talented players with Achilles injuries.

Now your saying we will sign Gallinari so backup PF is the most critical position and RoCo can play SF? Im all for that hypothetical.... I'm not writing in Hood or Gallinari until Woj tweets it.

 

[Blazinaway]

@BonesJones ....What about bringing back Skal Labissiere? If memory serves, someone posted how well he did in certain areas when he was on the floor.

• 23 years old but it seems like he has been around longer.
• Career 35% shooter from '3' on very minimal attempts, but shows he at least has a stroke.
• Averaged almost 15/11 per 36 in his time in Portland with 2 blocks.
• Shot almost 60% from the field while he was here.
• His DBPM was positive both years he played here.
• Plays C and PF, 6'10' 240

sure if he's healthy, I think this just reinforces "how many" solid FA's there are available at PF/C, most should be backups but I'd also love to get a guy like Christian Wood or Jerami Grant, unfortunately they will both likely get more than MLE and sign and trades could be difficult

 

[Scalma]

Hood has every right to leave if some team offers him more money, he doesn’t owe Portland shit. If anything it’s Portland that owes him since he *allegedly* took less to stay. But I wouldn’t blame Olshey if he didn’t match other offers. I’d like hood back but I don’t think he’s as essential as he was before Trent broke out. Covington is also a guy that plays heavy minutes.

 

[Scalma]

So did we give wenyen, hoard, and Moses a QO or not? Why hasn’t it been reported? Why is blazers media such TRASH

 

[illmatic99]

So did we give wenyen, hoard, and Moses a QO or not? Why hasn’t it been reported? Why is blazers media such TRASH

They go to the FO for news. FO is tight lipped. Media gives up.

No one talks to agents or reaches out rarely to players to circumvent the muzzles Neil put on his staff.

 

[James lamphear]

Couple issues I have with this. First off Whiteside hasn’t been a headache at all since being here.
Second Collins has had a shoulder injury and a minor foot injury. He has the quickness to be a PF and the outside shooting to back it up. Collins at this point has not been injury prone. He just got injured. All players get injuries. His happened to cost him a season. Now if you want to call him a foul machine I can agree there but a 22 year old or is it 23 now is not a player you call injury prone yet? I do say yet?

Collins is not the only foul prone guy we have Nurk rates right up and Whiteside had his problems with fouls too. But is not there fault though due they try to cover for our guards.

 

[B-Roy]

They go to the FO for news. FO is tight lipped. Media gives up.

No one talks to agents or reaches out rarely to players to circumvent the muzzles Neil put on his staff.

When is the last time a non woj source broke any blazers news?

 

[Labinot41]

What if Covington goes down with an injury, he's not injury prone but here and there he has had a injury, i would feel better if we had Hood in that case

 

[TBpup]

It seems like we still need another big and someone who can actually play PG beside Dame, and isn't just a smaller player in that spot.
All of this is assuming Hood comes back as he said he would.

Point Guard
Jeff Teague - Career 11/5 shooting .356 from '3'. 32 years old
Dellavedova - Career 5.6/3.7 in 20 mpg. .368 from '3'. 30 years old.
Elfrid Payton - Career 11/6.6. Not good from '3'. Solid defensively. 26 years old.
Kris Dunn - Career 8/4. Only .306 from '3' Very good defensively. 26 years old.
Rajon Rondo - 7/5 in 20 mpg last year. From terrible to ~35% from '3' the last 5 seasons. Good defense. 34 years old. (2 rings)
Shabazz 2.0 - 11.6/3.8 in 24 mpg. .358 from '3'. 29 years old and tight with Dame.

Left players like Clarkson/Bradley off because they're not really PG's. Dragic and VanVleet, unattainable.

Power Forward / Center
Ibaka - Dream fit. Rumored that Brookly and the Lakers are interested. Same money, better chance at a ring.
Favors - 9/10 last season with good defense. 29 years old.
JaMychal - 7/6 in 20 mpg and a career .374 from '3'. 30 years old. 6'8", 7'2+" wingspan
Millsap - 11.6/5.7 last season in 24 mpg. Steadily declining the last 4 years.Career .343 from '3'. 35 years old.
Ch Wood - 13/6 in 21 mpg last year. Career .368 from '3'. 25 years old.
Tr Thompson - 12/10 in 30 mpg. N '3's until last year where in minimal attempts, hit .391%. 29 years old.
Meyers 2.0 - Career .390% from '3'. That's about all there is to say.
RoLo - Crowd favorite and mascot nightmare. 5/2 in 15 mpg playing behind his brother. 32 years old.
Maker - 5/3 in 13 mpg. .344 from '3' last year. IIRC, Blazers had interest back when he was Drafted. 23 years old.
C-Stein - 5/5 in 12 mpg. Strictly a Center. 27 years old.

Rondo seems like he would be perfect as he has chapionship pedigree but isn't a starter anymore.
Ibaka seems far-fetched and Wood probably over-priced. Would take Favors and Green before Millsap.

 

[kjironman1]

Feel free to make that case. Your claim in the other post about his quickness and outside shooting is... less than convincing.

Well you can drag the kid down if you pull stats to fit it. But Zach is pretty quick and he shoots well. Pretty small sample size last year but he was hitting shots.
On the other end of that he is not strong enough to take on a true center. He gets beat up pretty bad.

 

[kjironman1]

Collins is not the only foul prone guy we have Nurk rates right up and Whiteside had his problems with fouls too. But is not there fault though due they try to cover for our guards.

True.

 

[Pinwheel1]

Collins is not the only foul prone guy we have Nurk rates right up and Whiteside had his problems with fouls too. But is not there fault though due they try to cover for our guards.

As do all centers. Ever since they started enforcing the rule limiting contact that impedes guards from attacking the basket, it is almost impossible to keep quick ball handlers out of the paint. If a center tries to block every shot, they will end up collecting fouls.
They all need to minimize the unnecessary "reach-ins" and offensive fouls. (Which are often bullshit calls)