Trade 2021 Off-Season Trade Ideas

[Natebishop3]

But how much of that is a product of our system? If there isn't a good trade package available for CJ, I'm cool with getting a better coach that runs a better offense and seeing how C.J. plays in that and waiting until the deadline to possibly get something better.

I agree that I don’t want to trade him just to trade him. I also want to make sure we don’t lose Norm though.

 

[BonesJones]

I agree that I don’t want to trade him just to trade him. I also want to make sure we don’t lose Norm though.

Yeah that's the other factor.

 

[RR7]

I agree that I don’t want to trade him just to trade him. I also want to make sure we don’t lose Norm though.

Yeah, it really feels like you gotta have Norm locked in before you move CJ. I like him ok at like 4/80 or so. But I'm scared NY or Dallas gets stupid with an offer, and then we're SOL.

 

[julius]

Yeah, it really feels like you gotta have Norm locked in before you move CJ. I like him ok at like 4/80 or so. But I'm scared NY or Dallas gets stupid with an offer, and then we're SOL.

Does Dallas have the cap space to do that though?

 

[RR7]

Does Dallas have the cap space to do that though?

Not without renouncing players, so extreemly unlikely.
Just looking through free agents, and there's not a lot out there, am curious to see what NY does with their offseason. Tons of $$ to spend, but nobody really worth doing it on.

 

[lawai'a]

Not without renouncing players, so extreemly unlikely.
Just looking through free agents, and there's not a lot out there, am curious to see what NY does with their offseason. Tons of $$ to spend, but nobody really worth doing it on.

Bet CP3 ends up there

 

[RR7]

Bet CP3 ends up there

Have a hard time seeing him leave PHX to go there.

 

[James lamphear]

But how much of that is a product of our system? If there isn't a good trade package available for CJ, I'm cool with getting a better coach that runs a better offense and seeing how C.J. plays in that and waiting until the deadline to possibly get something better.

Really you think CJ can change with a different coach. But not his offense CJ just a bad defender and not going get better with age. I know what regular stats show but watching him the past game he is just not good on that end.

 

[Natebishop3]

Really you think CJ can change with a different coach. But not his offense CJ just a bad defender and not going get better with age. I know what regular stats show but watching him the past game he is just not good on that end.

I think it's possible that a good coach could get the absolute best out of CJ on offense. Go look at Nash's stats in Dallas and then his stats in Phoenix. It's almost a completely different player.

 

[BonesJones]

Really you think CJ can change with a different coach. But not his offense CJ just a bad defender and not going get better with age. I know what regular stats show but watching him the past game he is just not good on that end.

I'm not sure. I've only seen him play under one coach who ran an extremely iso-heavy system and didn't know how to coach defense.

 

[Tince]

Pau Gasol, Festus Ezeli, Andrew Nicholson, & Olshey

for

Lawerence Frank

 

[BoomChakaLaka]

Three-way trade:

Portland receives:

D. DeRozan from San Antonio
D. Green from Golden State


Golden State receives:

D. Murray from San Antonio
R. Covington from Portland


San Antonio receives:

CJ McCollum from Portland
D. Jones Jr. from Portland
H. Giles III from Portland

summation:

DeRozan gives us a small forward to play with Dame and Powell
Green gives us a PF that can be our defensive stopper
and championship leadership
We don’t want DJJ or Giles anyway
RoCo will be a loss, but we may get Collins back

I’d re-sign Melo and Kanter

increase Ant’s and Little’s plying time

seek a PG and another PF via free agency and/or draft

 

[Natebishop3]

I’d re-sign Melo and Kanter

Nope nope nope.

 

[Mediocre Man]

Three-way trade:

Portland receives:

D. DeRozan from San Antonio
D. Green from Golden State


Golden State receives:

D. Murray from San Antonio
R. Covington from Portland


San Antonio receives:

CJ McCollum from Portland
D. Jones Jr. from Portland
H. Giles III from Portland

summation:

DeRozan gives us a small forward to play with Dame and Powell
Green gives us a PF that can be our defensive stopper
and championship leadership
We don’t want DJJ or Giles anyway
RoCo will be a loss, but we may get Collins back

I’d re-sign Melo and Kanter

increase Ant’s and Little’s plying time

seek a PG and another PF via free agency and/or draft

DeRosen is important to help run Hammon’s offense and defense

 

[BoomChakaLaka]

DeRosen is important to help run Hammon’s offense and defense

you know, I was telling my wife that Portland will be interviewing a female for the head coaching job! I then explained that Paul Allen gave the team to his Sister after his death…and how she LOVES the Seahawks…and then it hit me!!!

Seattle SuperSonics - alive and well in Key Arena…Dame Lillard, DeRozan, Nurkic et al with the first female head coach in Hammons….

oh no COULD IT BE?

Summer of love in Seattle

 

[James lamphear]

I'm not sure. I've only seen him play under one coach who ran an extremely iso-heavy system and didn't know how to coach defense.

Well I believe enough good defender in my life and CJ is not one of them. Offense hold different story can learn different offense sure but your right we don't know how he would do. But defense he follows the ball to much that's make him to loose his man. He length will be always a problem on defense. It's nice he score 25 points but if he he gives up almost the same it's becomes a wash.

 

[BoomChakaLaka]

Nope nope nope.

Kanter and Melo helped get us to the playoffs. And with a healthy Nurkic, Name a better vet back-up center who can rebound and score like Kanter. And he’s a great guy! Melo can get 10 minutes a game - insert him when we need points. When Melo gets on a roll, there just isn’t a better 8th or 9th man. If he won’t like the reduced minutes, then maybe he goes. But give me Kanter and Melo all day long. These guys weren’t a detriment - it was DJJ, RoCo and CJ that didn’t live up to their potential.

 

[Mediocre Man]

Kanter and Melo helped get us to the playoffs. And with a healthy Nurkic, Name a better vet back-up center who can rebound and score like Kanter. And he’s a great guy! Melo can get 10 minutes a game - insert him when we need points. When Melo gets on a roll, there just isn’t a better 8th or 9th man. If he won’t like the reduced minutes, then maybe he goes. But give me Kanter and Melo all day long. These guys weren’t a detriment - it was DJJ, RoCo and CJ that didn’t live up to their potential.

They are both MASSIVE liabilities in the playoffs

 

[BonesJones]

BOS Gets: C.J. McCollum, Robert Covington, Myles Turner
POR Gets: Jaylen Brown, Al Horford
IND Gets: Aaron Nesmith, 2025 POR 1st, 2027 POR 1st
OKC Gets: Kemba Walker, 2022 POR 1st, Future 2nds

Portland
Lillard / Simons
Powell / Brown
Brown / DJJ
Collins / Little
Nurkic / Horford

Feel free to add an MLE level player in here. Could switch off Little/Collins starting roles depending on match-up, or could hope for an MLE signing to start at the 4.

Boston
McCollum / Pritchard
Smart / Langford
Tatum / Fournier
Covington / MLE
Turner / Williams

Boston would be a top 10 offense and top 5 defense IMO.

Indiana - Gets two 1sts and the 14th pick from last year as well as monetary savings and a TPE for Turner

OKC - Gets picks back for taking on salary

 

[stampedehero]

2

Losing RoCo kinda sucks. Who do you play at power forward?

Dame
Norm
Brown
??
Nurk

I say, Keep RoCo too.

 

[BonesJones]

Three-way trade:

Portland receives:

D. DeRozan from San Antonio
D. Green from Golden State


Golden State receives:

D. Murray from San Antonio
R. Covington from Portland


San Antonio receives:

CJ McCollum from Portland
D. Jones Jr. from Portland
H. Giles III from Portland

summation:

DeRozan gives us a small forward to play with Dame and Powell
Green gives us a PF that can be our defensive stopper
and championship leadership
We don’t want DJJ or Giles anyway
RoCo will be a loss, but we may get Collins back

I’d re-sign Melo and Kanter

increase Ant’s and Little’s plying time

seek a PG and another PF via free agency and/or draft

How are you trading free agents?

 

[UKRAINEFAN]

BOS Gets: C.J. McCollum, Robert Covington, Myles Turner
POR Gets: Jaylen Brown, Al Horford
IND Gets: Aaron Nesmith, 2025 POR 1st, 2027 POR 1st
OKC Gets: Kemba Walker, 2022 POR 1st, Future 2nds

Portland
Lillard / Simons
Powell / Brown
Brown / DJJ
Collins / Little
Nurkic / Horford

Feel free to add an MLE level player in here. Could switch off Little/Collins starting roles depending on match-up, or could hope for an MLE signing to start at the 4.

Boston
McCollum / Pritchard
Smart / Langford
Tatum / Fournier
Covington / MLE
Turner / Williams

Boston would be a top 10 offense and top 5 defense IMO.

Indiana - Gets two 1sts and the 14th pick from last year as well as monetary savings and a TPE for Turner

OKC - Gets picks back for taking on salary

That's intriguing; does Indiana want to do it? Basically we are giving up Roco, CJ and two first round picks for Brown. That's a lot but I think I'm OK with that. Is 35 year old Horford worth another first round pick?

 

[BoomChakaLaka]

They are both MASSIVE liabilities in the playoffs

we don’t win game 1 without Melo’s contribution! Kanter was way off against Denver

 

[BoomChakaLaka]

How are you trading free agents?

SA signs DeRozan and trades to PDX for CJ

GS Signs Green and trades to Portland for RoCo and Giles.

then the other players noted can be swapped in separate deals - winding up with my proposed players ending up in their new uniforms

Best we’ll see out of CJ

 

[wizenheimer]

But how much of that is a product of our system? If there isn't a good trade package available for CJ, I'm cool with getting a better coach that runs a better offense and seeing how C.J. plays in that and waiting until the deadline to possibly get something better.

there may be an overall improvement in CJ's efficiency if the new coach forces CJ to stop going one-on-one so much and significantly ramps up CJ's catch-&-shoot and spot-up opportunities while dramatically cutting his iso and dribbling. I can't see a new coach changing CJ's stripes though. CJ has averaged a high volume of shots from one-on-one (and one-on-three) for 12 years....that includes 4 years at Lehigh. He's also not going to increase his FT rate

the real problem is what standard is used to set the value of a 'good return' for CJ, and how much the Blazers would have to add. Expecting an all-star back is loopy...won't happen. But in this forum, as long as people keep talking about CJ's all-star talent (in the East!!), it's going to be difficult to discuss realistic trade ideas.

and, as mentioned, any CJ trade idea needs to leverage the possibility of Powell stepping into the starting SG role. I guess that could be similar to trading Zach Randolph in order to open up the PF role for Aldridge. Or the Warriors trading Monta Ellis to open the spot for Klay. In other words, there could be more benefits to the trade than just what's coming back

I don't believe for a second a new coach is going to be able to scheme this Dame/CJ team into a contender. And as long as CJ is there, hogging an all-star's level of shots and usage, and also hogging an all-star's level of the salary cap, there's no room, or means, to add the singular talent that would make for a contender and not waste what's left of Dame's prime

 

[James lamphear]

there may be an overall improvement in CJ's efficiency if the new coach forces CJ to stop going one-on-one so much and significantly ramps up CJ's catch-&-shoot and spot-up opportunities while dramatically cutting his iso and dribbling. I can't see a new coach changing CJ's stripes though. CJ has averaged a high volume of shots from one-on-one (and one-on-three) for 12 years....that includes 4 years at Lehigh. He's also not going to increase his FT rate

the real problem is what standard is used to set the value of a 'good return' for CJ, and how much the Blazers would have to add. Expecting an all-star back is loopy...won't happen. But in this forum, as long as people keep talking about CJ's all-star talent (in the East!!), it's going to be difficult to discuss realistic trade ideas.

and, as mentioned, any CJ trade idea needs to leverage the possibility of Powell stepping into the starting SG role. I guess that could be similar to trading Zach Randolph in order to open up the PF role for Aldridge. Or the Warriors trading Monta Ellis to open the spot for Klay. In other words, there could be more benefits to the trade than just what's coming back

I don't believe for a second a new coach is going to be able to scheme this Dame/CJ team into a contender. And as long as CJ is there, hogging an all-star's level of shots and usage, and also hogging an all-star's level of the salary cap, there's no room, or means, to add the singular talent that would make for a contender and not waste what's left of Dame's prime

Well said exactly my thoughts.

 

[Mediocre Man]

we don’t win game 1 without Melo’s contribution! Kanter was way off against Denver

For the series, Melo was a

+6
-24
-11
-4
+2
-17

I’ll take my chances with someone else

 

[wizenheimer]

For the series, Melo was a

+6
-24
-11
-4
+2
-17

I’ll take my chances with someone else

 

[Mediocre Man]

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Better stat

 

[Chris Craig]

Kanter and Melo helped get us to the playoffs. And with a healthy Nurkic, Name a better vet back-up center who can rebound and score like Kanter. And he’s a great guy! Melo can get 10 minutes a game - insert him when we need points. When Melo gets on a roll, there just isn’t a better 8th or 9th man. If he won’t like the reduced minutes, then maybe he goes. But give me Kanter and Melo all day long. These guys weren’t a detriment - it was DJJ, RoCo and CJ that didn’t live up to their potential.

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