2021 Trade Thread

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Scalma said:
What if we lifted the protections on the first we owe Houston and made it unprotected? Couldn’t we then trade a first in another deal? Throw houston a second or something for the trouble.
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We definitely could unprotect it. I think it's funny that we would have to pay them to do it, but that's the way those go.
 
wizenheimer said:
can someone explain why the Pels would be shopping Ball?
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Because his dad has persuaded him he is not being used correctly and as a consequence he is not giving 100% every night (or any night)?
 
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wizenheimer said:
can someone explain why the Pels would be shopping Ball?
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Supposedly the "logic" is that despite him seeming to be a great fit in their young core, paying him, Ingram and Zion is "too much to pay" for the team results they're getting. Which, to me, is silly--if Ball isn't the reason for why the team isn't good (and he likely isn't--most of their issues stem from defense and Ball is one of their best defenders), then you're simply jettisoning a player who was helping you towards where you want to eventually get.
 
Zach Lowe said if the Blazers strike out on Aaron Gordon Blazers could go after Norman Powell or Kelly Oubre.
 
illmatic99 said:
where?
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https://www.espn.com/nba/insider/st...trade-deadline-latest-intel-most-likely-deals

Here's the Blazers portion. Am happy to quote the whole thing if anyone wants
Previous reports have tied the Trail Blazers to Gordon, but their real interest level is uncertain from this vantage point. The Blazers also cannot trade a first-round pick unless they lift (with Houston's consent) protections on the 2021 first-rounder they owe the Rockets. The Blazers do have Zach Collins, Rodney Hood (with a convenient midsized contract), Nassir Little, and Anfernee Simons.

In Little, Carmelo Anthony, Derrick Jones Jr., and Robert Covington, the Blazers have four guys who lean toward power forward in terms of skill set on one end or both. Gordon is a quicker one-on-one defender than Covington, and (in theory) a better shooter and more well-rounded offensive player than Jones. Does Portland have enough to acquire Gordon? I would wager the Blazers fall a little short.

What about a smaller wing such as Powell or Oubre? Powell has probably played his way beyond Portland's reach. Oubre is decent, but do the Blazers really need him if they can slide Gary Trent Jr. to small forward alongside their two star guards? Oubre is a longer and more disruptive defender than Trent, but Trent is the far better shooter. I'm not sure there is a Portland-Golden State deal that makes sense.
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illmatic99 said:
thanks. can't believe they stuck Zach behind a paywall
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It seems like basically everything on there is, outside of actual news, news. Scores, you can see, analysis, not so much. I wouldn't pay for Insider itself, but we have the add on from Disney+. Always happy to share the behind paywall stuff, makes me feel like I get my moneys worth, lol!
 
illmatic99 said:
where?
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illmatic99 said:
where?
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https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.bl...azers-nba-deadline-latest-news-buyers-sellers

Lowe: Blazers Might “Fall a Little Short” in Gordon Sweepstakes

ESPN NBA analyst Zach Lowe detailed the competitive market that the Trail Blazers are attempting to navigate at the trade deadline.
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In Little, Carmelo Anthony, Derrick Jones Jr., and Robert Covington, the Blazers have four guys who lean toward power forward in terms of skill set on one end or both. Gordon is a quicker one-on-one defender than Covington, and (in theory) a better shooter and more well-rounded offensive player than Jones. Does Portland have enough to acquire Gordon? I would wager the Blazers fall a little short.

What about a smaller wing such as Powell or Oubre? Powell has probably played his way beyond Portland’s reach. Oubre is decent, but do the Blazers really need him if they can slide Gary Trent Jr. to small forward alongside their two star guards? Oubre is a longer and more disruptive defender than Trent, but Trent is the far better shooter. I’m not sure there is a Portland-Golden State deal that makes sense.
 
Just a simple trade and I'd be really happy. The first thing to do is guarantee the Houston pick, get them to agree to it today.

Then
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I honestly think that the Knicks would do this. I know Randle's value is high right now but if they were interested in CJ at the beginning of the season, they had to know this was what it would cost to get him, so I sweetened the deal with some second rounders and even though the Knicks have been better than some expected lets not act like their a team that's above .500. Obviously KAT is the prize of this deal and although seriously upgrading PF and getting a really good C for him isn't a bad move, it wouldn't be enough and I'd be willing to give both of those picks to make that happen.

I think we end up with a roster that can compete for a championship this year and going forward. It's the roster we were playing with most of this season plus a very reliable guard who can defend both positions, hit open jumpers and run an offense and Karl-Anthony Towns. Towns is the perfect second option for Dame, he improves us drastically on both sides of the ball.
 
The only package I can come up with that would keep the team under the tax without opening up multiple roster spots would be Gordon and Clark for Jones, Hood, and one of Simons, Little, and Trent. Orlando also has a full roster, so they would have to dump another guy in a separate deal. Is Gordon worth Jones and one of those young players, plus a pick?
 
Scalma said:
The only package I can come up with that would keep the team under the tax without opening up multiple roster spots would be Gordon and Clark for Jones, Hood, and one of Simons, Little, and Trent. Orlando also has a full roster, so they would have to dump another guy in a separate deal. Is Gordon worth Jones and one of those young players, plus a pick?
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Ant yes. We need Little to fill in for Jones. Trent no.
 
Scalma said:
The only package I can come up with that would keep the team under the tax without opening up multiple roster spots would be Gordon and Clark for Jones, Hood, and one of Simons, Little, and Trent. Orlando also has a full roster, so they would have to dump another guy in a separate deal. Is Gordon worth Jones and one of those young players, plus a pick?
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Do Gordon for Hood/DJJ/Trent and then do second rounder for McGee?
 
If Boston is willing to give up marcus smart - they are for Gordon - I would realllllly think he's a good idea here. One of the toughest guys in the league and great defender. Backs up Damian or plays with him, can do both.
 
Guys, always expect the unexpected when it comes to trades! I get this premonition that Portland and Philly are working on a deal. Morrey? and Rivers like shooters, and they know they better lock one up now if they want to advance in the offs.
CJ is the dude they will want so, does Simmons take us to the next level if he was involved, how about Harris?
Premonition is on the verge of a VISION!
 
Hoopguru said:
Guys, always expect the unexpected when it comes to trades! I get this premonition that Portland and Philly are working on a deal. Morrey? and Rivers like shooters, and they know they better lock one up now if they want to advance in the offs.
CJ is the dude they will want so, does Simmons take us to the next level if he was involved, how about Harris?
Premonition is on the verge of a VISION!
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Wait!!!!! are you MM's pizza guy???????
 
calvin natt said:
If Boston is willing to give up marcus smart - they are for Gordon - I would realllllly think he's a good idea here. One of the toughest guys in the league and great defender. Backs up Damian or plays with him, can do both.
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Theyre willing to give up Smart for Gordon AND Fournier.
 
It's interesting to see people get prematurely angry for not "getting deals done". We don't know the asking price. I would invite you all to read Richard Thaler's "The Winner's Curse". Generally, those that overpay end up paying twice (once in the beginning and again at the end). Sometimes the best deal is one you don't make.
 
maxiep said:
It's interesting to see people get prematurely angry for not "getting deals done". We don't know the asking price. I would invite you all to read Richard Thaler's "The Winner's Curse". Generally, those that overpay end up paying twice (once in the beginning and again at the end). Sometimes the best deal is one you don't make.
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what’s up Neil
 
I know this is just another CJ trade idea from me but Orlando has to like the idea of a McCollum/Vucevic tandem. We get Gordon who would become a great second option for Dame, we get the backup PG we need and we get a guy who can play behind Nurk next season who is a pretty good insurance program if he's healthy.
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