Game Thread 2022-23 Game #21 BLAZERS VS CLIPPERS - NOVEMBER 29, 2022 - TUESDAY - 7:00 PM (PDT) TNT

[BBert]

Simons is great at making shots that don’t matter.

Scoring points doesn't matter? He was instrumental in getting us an 18 point lead.

 

[BBert]

Might have tried Walker if I was looking for rebounds and scoring. Just a thought?

I actually expected Walker to go in late in the 4th. Nope.

 

[BBert]

Ant needs to learn how to create his own shot. I fear he's going to be that guy that gets points when opposing teams aren't serious about defense but when they decide to D up for real he doesn't know what to do.

And Justise ... I can see why so many teams have gotten rid of him. He does a lot of good little things. His problem is when he forgets he's not a scorer. When we had the big lead, I think we had a chance to go up 20 and Justise decided to try to take a tough, quick, unnecessary shot early in the shot clock that missed badly and led to an easy bucket for the Clips early on the other end. Later in the game he got lucky and banked one in down the stretch but fired up a 3 that again wasn't close.

We just played dumb with a big lead. We don't understand that we're a good team but only when we play intelligently and hard. We got lazy on offense and thought we had this won and settled for a lot of one-on-one, no-movement garbage and got taken down at home by the Clippers B squad.

Not the kind of performance that makes one confident in what these team can do in big games even when Dame is back.

Winslow also put up 3 ill-advised missed shots in a row once we got the big lead, as if he thought it was garbage time already. That's when the Clippers started their run. Winslow and Hart are valuable on this team, but they should never be on the court at the same time. Not ever.

 

[OneSport3]

People keep putting Grant in when talking about the RoCo/Powell trade. Can’t do that. It is those two vs Winslow and Keon. Ouch.

Roster transactions aren’t conducted in a vacuum. Sometimes transactions are made to facilitate other transactions. If Cronin knew he had to get rid of Norm’s contract to be create the ability to acquire Grant then it’s fair to include Grant in the final results.

It’s like when people say the Clippers overpaid and gave up way too much for Paul George. Looking at that trade independently, the Thunder absolutely fleeced them. But the Clippers had to do the trade because Kawhi Leonard wasn’t going to sign with the Clippers without PG. So essentially the trade was for PG and Kawhi.

 

[KSF-ERIC]

Definitely not... I'm saying that even without all of the guys they have out the Clippers are still a good team because they are so deep and have guys like Norm and RoCo who despite so many in here saying otherwise are starting level NBA players. They would both have to be the fifth best starter on most playoff teams but they're just much better than people in here want to admit. You calling them trash didn't lose this game but you calling quality players trash might explain how we could lose a game that we "should have won".

Dude. I am not to blame for this loss. What a ludicrous thing to say. Also- if Powell and RoCo are starter level, why aren’t they starting on a team flooded with injuries?

 

[SharpesTriumph]

the Clippers have a 192M payroll. Right now, they are scheduled for 145M in luxury tax. Next year, they have a 200M payroll and they will be paying repeater tax so their tax bill could be north of 300M

do you think Jody and the Vulcans would sign off on that kind of insanity?

people keep yapping about the poor return from trading Powell without factoring in that much of the return was the absolutely necessary clearing of obligated salary. And of course, the absolutely necessary dismantling of Olshey's idiot roster. If the Blazers had kept Powell and not signed Payton, they'd be 8M over the tax line; and that doesn't include a single dollar invested in any MLE...and they'd need to sign two players.

worse is that Powell is mostly a one-on-one-iso player. He's a shitty defender, a terrible rebounder, and a piss-poor passer and facilitator. Other than going iso as a 6th man, he doesn't bring anything that Portland desperately needs. And it would mean that the Blazers would be investing 60% of their salary in 3 players 6'3 or less who would rank at the bottom of the roster defensively. That would be even more idiotic than paying about 50% for the three players that size Portland has right now. Pining away for Powell makes no sense. And continuously asserting the Blazers could have got more for Powell isn't supported by a shred of evidence

but again, more than all of that is the harsh reality: Olshey was allowed to dig a deep deep roster hole of his ego-driven idiot vision. It's fucking lunacy to have expected in one trade deadline and one off-season after that decade of Olshey's mismanagement, that Cronin would have not only been miraculously able to climb out of that hole with the roster on his back, but to also carry the roster well up the mountain to contention. It took at least 8 years to put the Blazers in the sorry condition they were in 10 months ago; it will take more than a single trade deadline and off-season to reverse all that. And for damn sure, the return from trading Powell, or the lack of return, is fairly insignificant either way

Traded away big salaries that weren't considered overpaid in Norm and Roco then handed out far worse overpaid salaries to Nurk, Payton, and Simon's.

Clippers trade was trash. None of Cronin's other moves made it better (which was very predictable)

 

[wizenheimer]

Traded away big salaries that weren't considered overpaid in Norm and Roco then handed out far worse overpaid salaries to Nurk, Payton, and Simon's.

Clippers trade was trash

toss RoCo out of any equation. He's a non-factor. He had no value to Portland, as a player or a trade asset, and he sure as hell wasn't going to re-sign in Portland

Blazers traded CJ, Powell, and Nance; and replaced them with Grant, Hart, Winslow, Keon, two 2nds, and very likely enough of an extra tank to land Sharpe instead of AJ Griffin or such.

I'd rather have Simons than Powell; rather have Nurkic than Powell; rather have Grant or Hart than Powell. Powell needed to be traded and he needed to be traded before the deadline. Powell was a roster artifact of that idiot Olshey, and Olshey was gone. And Powell was the starter on a team that was 13 games under .500 at the time he was traded. The roster was a fucking failure and Powell was one of the reasons

I agree the Payton signing was stupid

 

[THE HCP]

OK Clipper replay guy.

Touche' FAMS

 

[THE HCP]

There's a salary cap in the NBA so not only can you do it, you have to do it.

Not when you are comparing the productivity of the players involved in THAT transaction. If you want to compare the ENTIRE roster go for it....but people dragging Grant into the Roco/Norm vs Keon/Winslow are out of line.

 

[Sheldon Shape]

No idea what people are expecting. We are decimated with injuries right now and we're going to hurt in the wins/losses. This is a really good team when healthy. That's the important part. I'm not too worried about home court. Let's get in healthy and hit our stride before.

WTF is GP2 coming back!?