Game Thread 2022-23 Game #34 - BLAZERS VS HORNETS - DECEMBER 26, 2022 - MONDAY - 7:00 PM (PDT) ROOT

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illmatic99 said:
His regression is inevitable. Anyone who thinks nurk will sustain 46% at his volume for the season is a fool. That isn't the point here; rather, my point is to let him keep getting up shots until he misses to allow for scouting reports to adjust and have guys guarding him. Even Nurk shooting at 33% on 3 or 4 attempts a game will add value to our offense just because of the defensive attention he will garner, while opening up the lanes for our three main offensive threats.

Brook Lopez shot 32% from three on 4 attempts a game in the playoffs when Milwaukee won the title. But he allowed for a complete overhaul of their offensive attack to the year prior because he was an actual threat.

This is all about synergy. Nurk himself shooting 1 point per possession is not. But the team increasing its overall efficiency with him on the floor even incrementally... is.
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I'm with you on this. If Nurk becomes reliable from 3 it helps this team. I just also see HCP's point. It can backfire badly.
 
illmatic99 said:
You're making my point for me. His efficiency was shit, but the fact that he kept shooting kept defenses honest. I need to dig the lineup stats but I would venture anything that having both him and Portis space the floor improved their offense compared to when they were on the bench.
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Like i said. "It worked kind of"
 
Fairly-Hard said:
I'm with you on this. If Nurk becomes reliable from 3 it helps this team. I just also see HCP's point. It can backfire badly.
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Chauncey said as much in his postgame when asked about Nurk getting a green light to put up more. He said it's not about encouraging or stopping him, but adding a wrinkle to our offense (he noted especially ATOs) just because he is a threat.
 
Hey Nurk you know how you have the best 3pt% on the team right now ? Yeah if you could just stop shooting that be great.
 
Fairly-Hard said:
No actually i meant what i said. He commited a couple fouls that maybe he should not have? Then there was at least one foul that maybe should not have been called?
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OK so you're saying ticky tack is the fault of the player generally? Didn't watch the game.
 
SIeepwalker said:
Hey Nurk you know how you have the best 3pt% on the team right now ? Yeah if you could just stop shooting that be great.
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I don’t want him shooting Friday night with 5 seconds left tied at 99. He now thinks he can shoot from out there.
 
SIeepwalker said:
Hey Nurk you know how you have the best 3pt% on the team right now ? Yeah if you could just stop shooting that be great.
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No different than when Aminu would make 2 to start a game then he thought he was Ray Allen down the stretch.
 
HailBlazers said:
OK so you're saying ticky tack is the fault of the player generally? Didn't watch the game.
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Kind of? Player for being in the position but official for making a call that could have let play on. Seems like we get a few every game.
 
THE HCP said:
I don’t want him shooting Friday night with 5 seconds left tied at 99. He now thinks he can shoot from out there.
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I think this is the point that you are making that people aren't getting. Correct me if I'm wrong but throughout the game if Nurk finds himself wide open from three, you're cool with him taking the shot but you don't want him taking contested threes and you definitely don't want him taking threes with the game on the line. Also, if you're like me, you don't want him living out there which would take time away from him dominating the paint like he is capable of and should be worrying about more than shooting outside.

I want Nurk to take 3-5 threes per game as long as they come naturally from him setting outside screens and getting left wide open. I don't want us running plays to get Nurk screens and I don't want him being seen as a go to outside shooter. I also don't want this to distract Nurk from the things he needs to be concentrating on the most which are dominating the paint on both ends along with going up strong with the ball in the restricted area on offense. That being said, teams getting punished for leaving Nurk alone beyond the arc and not being able to use simple drop coverages against us does open up driving lanes for all of our guys that need them and that happens to be the entire roster.
 
blazerkor said:
I think this is the point that you are making that people aren't getting. Correct me if I'm wrong but throughout the game if Nurk finds himself wide open from three, you're cool with him taking the shot but you don't want him taking contested threes and you definitely don't want him taking threes with the game on the line. Also, if you're like me, you don't want him living out there which would take time away from him dominating the paint like he is capable of and should be worrying about more than shooting outside.

I want Nurk to take 3-5 threes per game as long as they come naturally from him setting outside screens and getting left wide open. I don't want us running plays to get Nurk screens and I don't want him being seen as a go to outside shooter. I also don't want this to distract Nurk from the things he needs to be concentrating on the most which are dominating the paint on both ends along with going up strong with the ball in the restricted area on offense. That being said, teams getting punished for leaving Nurk alone beyond the arc and not being able to use simple drop coverages against us does open up driving lanes for all of our guys that need them and that happens to be the entire roster.
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Nice post.
 
Fairly-Hard said:
Kind of? Player for being in the position but official for making a call that could have let play on. Seems like we get a few every game.
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Seems Nurk gets some every game. It's understandable why he gets frustrated. Hate ticky tack calls in the paint.
 
ever since nurk came to the league, refs always called fouls on him and that hasnt changed and it wont change, so he needs to play smart and dont give them reason to call fouls, which he does and that also wont change

there are players who do stupid stuff and they cant stop doint it, its a mental thing... how many times we saw nurk commit frustration fouls or consecutive fouls or fouls very early in the quarter or when he has two fouls with two minutes left in the 2nd quarter and instead of going to the halftime with two fouls, he commits third foul, or the passes hes trying to force (yeah, he can pass, we know that, but dont force it), its really frustrating, but it is what it is
 
I'd trade Nurk shooting worse on three's for him shooting better on two's. His 3pt percentage is amazing; for a 7' C, his 2pt percentage is terrible. He shoots less than 2 three's a game and more than 8 two's, so yeah, it would be best if he improved on the 81% of the FG's he attempts
 
wizenheimer said:
I'd trade Nurk shooting worse on three's for him shooting better on two's. His 3pt percentage is amazing; for a 7' C, his 2pt percentage is terrible. He shoots less than 2 three's a game and more than 8 two's, so yeah, it would be best if he improved on the 81% of the FG's he attempts
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haters gonna hate
 
@THE HCP Why are you acting like players can't add anything to their games ? Brook Lopez and Mark Gasol spent 8 years in the league before they added a 3 point shot.
 
When I'm watching a game, the last thing I want to see is an opposing player who shoots over 40%(on threes) wide open for a 3-point shot.
That's a good way to get into a ditch or lose a lead.
Just watching the game now, the Wizards have had a comfortable lead over the Suns, immediately called a timeout in the 4th quarter when Ayton drilled a 3-pointer.
All it takes is a few of those and your comfortable lead is gone.
 
SIeepwalker said:
I'd take a Nurk 3 if he's wide open ? Hart won a game this season at the buzzer and he's been a much worst shooter than Nurk this season. (On about the same number of attempts)
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And in that game, Nurk hit a crunch time 3 that helped lead us back.
 
wizenheimer said:
I'd trade Nurk shooting worse on three's for him shooting better on two's. His 3pt percentage is amazing; for a 7' C, his 2pt percentage is terrible. He shoots less than 2 three's a game and more than 8 two's, so yeah, it would be best if he improved on the 81% of the FG's he attempts
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Actually, based on what you’re saying, he should shoot more threes. If he sucks at 2s why take so many of them? Makes more sense to shoot more or all of his shots from the arc. They’re worth more and take less of a toll on his body. He broke his leg on a dunk.
 
KSF-ERIC said:
Actually, based on what you’re saying, he should shoot more threes. If he sucks at 2s why take so many of them? Makes more sense to shoot more or all of his shots from the arc. They’re worth more and take less of a toll on his body. He broke his leg on a dunk.
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no, that's not correct. To start with, I have a real hard time believing he'll finish the season shooting over 40% on three's. If he does, maybe the equation would change. The other factor is how him spending more time around the 3 point line will affect the other parts of his game. Currently, he has the lowest offensive rebound rate of his career, and those rebounds have value to the team, and him. He currently has his lowest assist rate since 2017; hanging around the arc waiting for a spot-up opportunity means he spends less time acting as a hub in the offense

but mainly, my 'trade lower pt% for higher 2pt%' was sarcasm. He wouldn't really have to make that trade. He could simply focus and be more patient around the rim. Something he's needed to do since he arrived in the NBA. His 2pt% needs a lot of improvement even though he has improved over the last 2 seasons. He's next to last among bigs

2 point FG% ranking:

Nic Claxton .747
Aaron Gordon .680
Rudy Gobert .675
Nikola Jokić .672
Brandon Clarke .665
Jakob Poeltl .657
Bol Bol .647
Domantas Sabonis .639
Clint Capela .636
Jarrett Allen .631
Deandre Ayton .630
Christian Wood .627
Ivica Zubac .625
Myles Turner .622
Mason Plumlee .621
Anthony Davis .618
Karl-Anthony Towns .618
John Collins .617
Brook Lopez .614
Lauri Markkanen .603
Evan Mobley .599
Kelly Olynyk .587
Alperen Şengün .582
Bobby Portis .578
Nikola Vučević .576
Joel Embiid .563
Julius Randle .562
Jonas Valančiūnas .561
Jusuf Nurkić .558
Bam Adebayo .544

pretty hard to justify that low a conversion rate

the good news is he has posted a good FT rate even though he's at a career long for shot distance. That has generated the best TS% of his career. My point being that if he could just climb over the 60% mark on two's he'd be one of the most efficient C's on offense
 
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