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WesleyMatthews said:
This looks like a play in team. Contracts for Ant, Grant, and Nurk that don't have much if any positive trade value. Still out a future draft pick to Chicago. Less young talent than most rebuilding teams, less veteran talent than all the contenders.

The only hope for one day contending is Shaedon becomes a superstar. If he doesn't this team is destined for many years of mediocrity.
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coming from the guy who said Dame should come off the bench
 
Anyone know why are we keeping Ingles when he would just sit in the bench until year 2025?
 
If it’s just filler, why don’t we spend that $10m on a player who can actually play?
 
WesleyMatthews said:
This looks like a play in team. Contracts for Ant, Grant, and Nurk that don't have much if any positive trade value. Still out a future draft pick to Chicago. Less young talent than most rebuilding teams, less veteran talent than all the contenders.

The only hope for one day contending is Shaedon becomes a superstar. If he doesn't this team is destined for many years of mediocrity.
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I guess it depends on what you expect from Ant as a SG and what you expect from this defense if run by Chauncey. I think Ant will be better than CJ. I think Grant is the best forward we've had since LaMarcus. I think that we will be able to play really aggressive defense with Hart, Nas, Thybulle and Justise because they're all pretty interchangeable defenders that can guard anyone on the perimeter and hold their own in the post. So I see this team being much better than any of the Dame/CJ/Stotts era teams and when the best of those were healthy we weren't scraping to get into the playoffs we were scraping to get HCA.

That's not the stated goal of Cronin and I don't think this guy spins bullshit to placate fans. If Cronin really likes Shaedon then this comes down to one thing... I think Ant is better now than CJ was last year... so I completely disagree with you that he will have little trade value. I think going into next season, looking at making a little less than 20M, if Shaedon has popped that Ant is going to have very high trade value to any team looking for a scoring PG to put them over the top. I think that's when we would make a big time move.

I mean do you really think a 23 year old Anfernee Simons playing better than CJ McCollum on both ends of the court and getting paid less than two thirds of the money CJ does will be anything less than a huge trade asset? That would make Ant a borderline allstar in his early 20s making under 20M.

I don't think that Nurk has positive trade value at that price but I don't think it's negative either so if we had a chance to get a more versatile impact big in another trade, I think Nurk would be easy to dump. I think we'll extend Grant on something that might have the same kind of trade value that Nurk does. For Grant anything around 25M a year or more is going to mean we're betting on his on floor value and not his trade value because he won't have any. I think with a player with Dame's kind of offensive gravity, you'll see the best Jerami Grant on offense of his career and him reengaged on defense like he was when he was a defensive stopper inside and out on Denver. If Grant and Ant can both give us an efficient 20ppg, and that 20ppg gets Grant as invested on defense as he was with Denver then he's a really valuable piece to have on the floor.

So I think we will be at 4th-6th in the West until Shaedon really pops, which I think will happen by the end of this season or next. I'm really high on him. Then with the best back court in the league, Jerami Grant and another impact player at a position of need that we get by trading Ant and other pieces, we'll be contending.
 
DDolla said:
Anyone know why are we keeping Ingles when he would just sit in the bench until year 2025?
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He's not going to just sit. He's going to play and play well. Dudes a shooter.
 
Chris Craig said:
He's not going to just sit. He's going to play and play well. Dudes a shooter.
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He's likely out till Jan/Feb. So if he gets traded at or near the deadline, he's not actually gonna play much.
 
tykendo said:
No way in hell i start Thybulle over Nas. Nas' game was really coming on before the injury. I see Nas being every bit as good a player as Ant when it's all said and done. I'm not stunting his development with less minutes.
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I said, I think there will be a real battle for playing time between Thybulle, Nas and Hart... but if they all come out at pretty even there should be 20+ minutes a piece for each of them and 15+ for Shaedon. I don't think getting that many meaningful minutes stunts the development of anyone. When you're getting 10 minutes one game and 3 the next, that's when your development gets stunted. I was saying that if we get Thybulle he has a good chance at starting but so does Nas and so does Hart. The only difference between Thybulle and Hart when compared to Nas is that they have shown that they're durable. Nas is like a bull in a china shop made of china. So I don't mind having guys who compete with him for PT because the likelihood is for a good chunk of this season Nas won't be available to play any time.
 
B-Roy said:
He's likely out till Jan/Feb.
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You keep saying this, but what do you actually base this "likely" timeline on? Nov/Dec seems more realistic considering he didn't have any other damage in his knee and hes already jogging.
 
Could somebody please tell me how many hours are left till the start of free agency?
 
Scalma said:
You keep saying this, but what do you actually base this "likely" timeline on? Nov/Dec seems more realistic considering he didn't have any other damage in his knee and hes already jogging.
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I'm giving him a full year based on his age. What is the point of rushing him back? At age 34? I've seen 9-10 month recoveries, but I think it's much more likely they play it safe than rush him back.
 
Joe's surgery was Feb 23 and recovery is 6-9 months...he'll play this season no problem.
 
B-Roy said:
I'm giving him a full year based on his age. What is the point of rushing him back? At age 34? I've seen 9-10 month recoveries, but I think it's much more likely they play it safe than rush him back.
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Whats considered rushing him back though? The return from an ACL can range from 6 months to more than a year, so it's hard to put an actual timeline on it. But him being ready sooner than later seems more realistic considering the clean tear and where hes at in his recovery currently. He's older but he's also never been a player that relied on athleticism.
 
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Mitchell Robinson looking at 4/60 apparently. That's a decent contract for him
 
illmatic99 said:
Mitchell Robinson looking at 4/60 apparently. That's a decent contract for him
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thats a bad contract for the new york knicks if it happens

no game on offense whatsoever, not a good rebounder for a center, can defend some and hes athletic

i guess thats worth $60 mil nowadays
 
Scalma said:
Whats considered rushing him back though? The return from an ACL can range from 6 months to more than a year, so it's hard to put an actual timeline on it. But him being ready sooner than later seems more realistic considering the clean tear and where hes at in his recovery currently. He's older but he's also never been a player that relied on athleticism.
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https://www.si.com/fannation/nba/fa...ury-stanford-study-nba-players-return-to-game

Average recovery time is 10 months, and the average age of the players in the study was 25 +/- 3.5 years, which is much <34. Ingles had surgery Feb 23, 2022.

That alone puts him at a December/January date.

Not to mention the first few months after coming back from an ACL injury is most likely going to be an adjustment period, I don't really see Ingles playing very well even if he did buck the trend and come back early. He was already losing a step before he got injured, and was never a good defender to begin with. If we sign him it's going to be almost purely an asset play IMO.
 
blazerkor said:
I said, I think there will be a real battle for playing time between Thybulle, Nas and Hart... but if they all come out at pretty even there should be 20+ minutes a piece for each of them and 15+ for Shaedon. I don't think getting that many meaningful minutes stunts the development of anyone. When you're getting 10 minutes one game and 3 the next, that's when your development gets stunted. I was saying that if we get Thybulle he has a good chance at starting but so does Nas and so does Hart. The only difference between Thybulle and Hart when compared to Nas is that they have shown that they're durable. Nas is like a bull in a china shop made of china. So I don't mind having guys who compete with him for PT because the likelihood is for a good chunk of this season Nas won't be available to play any time.
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I agree with all of this. The odds none of Little, Thybulle, or Hart miss at least 10 games is minimal. Also, we have 4/5 of our likely closing lineup set with Lillard/Ant/?/Grant/Nurkic. I like the thought of one of those three playing depending upon what we need that particular game (shooting, rebounding, point of attack defense - and the type of player that's giving us trouble).
 
Blazers announced they extended a QO to Simons. Thats not noteworthy. Whats noteworthy is that they didn't extend one to Elleby, or at least it doesn't look like they did otherwise they probably wouldve announced it together. See ya!
 
Mr. Robot said:
thats a bad contract for the new york knicks if it happens

no game on offense whatsoever, not a good rebounder for a center, can defend some and hes athletic

i guess thats worth $60 mil nowadays
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There's something to be said for making more than 75% of your field goal attempts having per 36 numbers of 12 points (on that kind of efficiency) 12 boards, 2.5 blocks and at least a steal. That's a pretty solid big man... some might like that more than Nurk to be honest... especially because he's more switchable on defense... still not mobile at an ideal level but definitely more mobile than our guy. So I'm not absolutely hating Nurk's deal but I'm definitely not hating this deal either.
 
The Mo Bamba interest on this board continues to surprise me, especially after seeing how Chauncey wants to defend ball screens.

Bamba is pretty strictly a deep drop big.
 
Scalma said:
Blazers announced they extended a QO to Simons. Thats not noteworthy. Whats noteworthy is that they didn't extend one to Elleby, or at least it doesn't look like they did otherwise they probably wouldve announced it together. See ya!
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Isn't Elleby an UFA? Only signed for 2 years as a 2nd rounder.
 
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