Game Thread 2023-24 Game #25 - BLAZERS VS WARRIORS - DECEMBER 17, 2023 - SUNDAY - 6:00 PM PST - ROOT

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kjironman1 said:
But he’s the one who preached about the new start new beginning and implied the last team and organization might have held him back.
IMO if he wants to make statements like that he needs to be accountable.
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Man.... we also said we were gonna run this year. We say it every year. You can't take anything that is said during media day seriously. It's all fluff bullshit.
 
Tince said:
Great post! This is what I saw as well.

@Whyachi do you have another shot that shows Grant touching the ball out-of-bounds? I believe you said he clearly touched it with both feet out in another post.

I'll be curious what the 2-minute report says. The report hasn't been posted at this time.

https://official.nba.com/2023-24-nba-officiating-last-two-minute-reports/
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no... I have nothing but the live action moment on memory, and a general idea what the refs called. The bad replays shown by the Blazers broadcasting crew further enticed a controversial call. Lamar Hurd started freaking out when the ball went off Curry. There was never follow up clarity by the TV crew of the exact call. I believe during the pile up of shoes heads hands and feet on the baseline cam replay, we caught a millisecond glimpse that both of Jerami's feet were clearly outta bounds while he was slapping at the ball. If the call was an illegal touch, it was never properly explained to viewers.

We only saw Curry flopping, the ball squirting out, Lamar having a frickin cow, a zoom in shot of Jerami walking away, followed by terribly zoomed in half speed replay of Curry's backside, and a thumpy incoherent baseline replay.
 
Whyachi said:
no... I have nothing but the live action moment on memory, and a general idea what the refs called. The bad replays shown by the Blazers broadcasting crew further enticed a controversial call. Lamar Hurd started freaking out when the ball went off Curry. There was never follow up clarity by the TV crew of the exact call. I believe during the pile up of shoes heads hands and feet on the baseline cam replay, we caught a millisecond glimpse that both of Jerami's feet were clearly outta bounds while he was slapping at the ball. If the call was an illegal touch, it was never properly explained to viewers.

We only saw Curry flopping, the ball squirting out, Lamar having a frickin cow, a zoom in shot of Jerami walking away, followed by terribly zoomed in half speed replay of Curry's backside, and a thumpy incoherent baseline replay.
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You saw wrong then. It clearly went out of bounds off of Curry's feet/legs. No doubts.
 
Whyachi said:
no... I have nothing but the live action moment on memory, and a general idea what the refs called. The bad replays shown by the Blazers broadcasting crew further enticed a controversial call. Lamar Hurd started freaking out when the ball went off Curry. There was never follow up clarity by the TV crew of the exact call. I believe during the pile up of shoes heads hands and feet on the baseline cam replay, we caught a millisecond glimpse that both of Jerami's feet were clearly outta bounds while he was slapping at the ball. If the call was an illegal touch, it was never properly explained to viewers.

We only saw Curry flopping, the ball squirting out, Lamar having a frickin cow, a zoom in shot of Jerami walking away, followed by terribly zoomed in half speed replay of Curry's backside, and a thumpy incoherent baseline replay.
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Per the NBA:

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https://official.nba.com/last-two-minute-report/?gameNo=0022300348&eventNum=2150
 

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Natebishop3 said:
Man.... we also said we were gonna run this year. We say it every year. You can't take anything that is said during media day seriously. It's all fluff bullshit.
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What would be the best site to compare transition attempts from year to year? I guess that's probably imperfect because a bad defensive team can't fast break near as well. Not sure what the proper metric would be.
 
Section I—Instant Replay Review Triggers

  1. Instant replay will be triggered in the following situations

Officials are not reasonably certain as to which team should be awarded possession after a ball becomes out-of-bounds or whether a called out-of-bounds in fact occurred during the last two minutes of the fourth period or last two minutes of any overtime period(s). [NOTE: Notwithstanding Section (I)(a)(7) above, Section II(g) below, and related provisions, the Official NBA Playing Rules have been modified for the 2021-22 NBA season (one-year trial basis) to (i) eliminate referee-initiated instant replay review of out-of-bounds violations during the last two minutes of the fourth period and the last two minutes of any overtime period; and (ii) extend the Coach’s Challenge (see Rule 14) so teams may trigger replay review of out-of-bounds violations throughout the entire game. Accordingly, a Coach’s Challenge is the only mechanism to trigger replay review of out-of-bounds violations at any point during the game.

So did the 2021-22 NBA season one-year trial expire and revert to the rule in Bold?
 
Natebishop3 said:
Ayton is what he is. If he was playing anywhere near #1 pick level we wouldn’t have been able to get him. He’s a younger serviceable center. He has his warts. Our offense doesn’t really utilize him very well. He has shown he can play better. If he doesn’t work out, oh well.
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Maybe it's too late, but i would like to see our coaches really work with him, day after day. Two or three coaches, setting him up in situations on the court, (most likely defensive) Repeating each situation and his response until it is ingrained in him. Even if his processing speed is slow, maybe that can be overcome. Worth a try anyway.
 
UKRAINEFAN said:
Maybe it's too late, but i would like to see our coaches really work with him, day after day. Two or three coaches, setting him up in situations on the court, (most likely defensive) Repeating each situation and his response until it is ingrained in him. Even if his processing speed is slow, maybe that can be overcome. Worth a try anyway.
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The Blazer offense seems to me to be really stupid with how they use Ayton. Ayton's a mobile center who can start a play being outside the 3-point line.
In Billups offense, Ayton is always in the lane. That's not Ayton's fault.

Watch a few plays of this video.
Possession 1: starts outside the 3-point line.
Possession 2: starts outside the 3-point line.
Possession 3: starts outside the 3-point line.
Possession 5: 3-point shot
possession 8?: starts outside the 3-point line.
Posssession 9: starts just inside the 3-point line.

With the Blazers, we see a nice lob to begin the game where Ayton runs from center court to the hoop.

And then, that's it. All done. The Blazers never use Ayton as a cutter running from the 3-point line as he was used in Phoenix.

 
blazerfan11 said:
The Blazer offense seems to me to be really stupid with how they use Ayton. Ayton's a mobile center who can start a play being outside the 3-point line.
In Billups offense, Ayton is always in the lane. That's not Ayton's fault.

Watch a few plays of this video.
Possession 1: starts outside the 3-point line.
Possession 2: starts outside the 3-point line.
Possession 3: starts outside the 3-point line.
Possession 5: 3-point shot
possession 8?: starts outside the 3-point line.
Posssession 9: starts just inside the 3-point line.

With the Blazers, we see a nice lob to begin the game where Ayton runs from center court to the hoop.

And then, that's it. All done. The Blazers never use Ayton as a cutter running from the 3-point line as he was used in Phoenix.

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Could be something to this? Not exactly sure why he isn’t more involved in the offense? He’s a good shooter and obviously scores on lobs pretty well.
 
Natebishop3 said:
Man.... we also said we were gonna run this year. We say it every year. You can't take anything that is said during media day seriously. It's all fluff bullshit.
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Blazers outscored Warriors 30-9 in fast break points during this game. Take that Nate !!! Portland was running circles around the road weary Warriors.

The real reason why Portland lost is because Blazer fans have too much expectation for this team. The media is hitting new lows and blaming fans for this losing skid.
 
blazerfan11 said:
The Blazer offense seems to me to be really stupid with how they use Ayton. Ayton's a mobile center who can start a play being outside the 3-point line.
In Billups offense, Ayton is always in the lane. That's not Ayton's fault.

Watch a few plays of this video.
Possession 1: starts outside the 3-point line.
Possession 2: starts outside the 3-point line.
Possession 3: starts outside the 3-point line.
Possession 5: 3-point shot
possession 8?: starts outside the 3-point line.
Posssession 9: starts just inside the 3-point line.

With the Blazers, we see a nice lob to begin the game where Ayton runs from center court to the hoop.

And then, that's it. All done. The Blazers never use Ayton as a cutter running from the 3-point line as he was used in Phoenix.

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All you're saying is the Blazers don't use him as a pick and roll man, which is not true.

His problem on the PnR is he doesn't set good screens. He doesn't roll hard. All these things are effort based issues that have plagued him his entire career. When he gets in the paint he's soft and loses the ball easily. When he catches in the short roll he's a slow decision maker that isn't comfortable doing anything besides shooting the midrange jumper. Teams also crowd the paint more against us because we are a poor shooting team (27th in the league on 3PT%) - so the window for pocket passes and lobs are much smaller, and even when he catches the ball he doesn't have as much space to operate as he did in Phoenix. On direct post ups, he's so weak he loses the ball just trying to back into people. He has no ability to create for himself and is purely a finisher, so his scoring is going to depend on the collection of playmakers he plays next to. I was hoping he'd be able to show a bit more playmaking himself, but he's got none of it. Zero. Zilch. Nada.

Could our guards be better at looking for him? Sure. Have our guards missed him at times? Sure. But he's going from Chris Paul, one of the best passers of the last generation - to this collection of guards who sometimes have trouble moving the ball around the perimeter, so you have to temper your expectations.

But none of this excuses his sloppy defensive rotations, effort that wanes in and out, and overall lack of focus and BBIQ during half these games. And I say that because he was actually giving a shit in the earlier part of the season - rebounding and playing hard even though our guards sucked at getting him the ball. Ultimately, we're stuck with him, so it's whatever, and he's about average for a starting center - so it could be worse. But he's also being paid a max contract, he fucking gave himself the nickname 'DominAyton'. So yeah, excuse some of us for expecting a little more out of this big baby.

I was sick of Nurkic too - but we basically just went from one inconsistent, pouty center to another.
 
blazerfan11 said:
The Blazer offense seems to me to be really stupid with how they use Ayton. Ayton's a mobile center who can start a play being outside the 3-point line.
In Billups offense, Ayton is always in the lane. That's not Ayton's fault.

Watch a few plays of this video.
Possession 1: starts outside the 3-point line.
Possession 2: starts outside the 3-point line.
Possession 3: starts outside the 3-point line.
Possession 5: 3-point shot
possession 8?: starts outside the 3-point line.
Posssession 9: starts just inside the 3-point line.

With the Blazers, we see a nice lob to begin the game where Ayton runs from center court to the hoop.

And then, that's it. All done. The Blazers never use Ayton as a cutter running from the 3-point line as he was used in Phoenix.

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I agree that they need to figure out how to make better use of him in the offense; I just think it's more import ant that they get him be an effective defender.
 
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