2024 NBA Draft Thread

[Hoopguru]

good lord the bullshit about Clingan is a tsunami right now. No, I don't believe any of it

here's what I do believe: Clingan averaged 17.6 minutes in his college career. I think that will be the one thing that translates to his NBA career....low minutes, just like Walter Kessler who has started less than half of his games and averaged 23 minutes

Dallas, with two bigs like Ware, just crushed Minny, with 2 bigs like Clingan who are both likely much better than Clingan will ever be. IMO, C's like Clingan are an anachronism in the modern NBA. Sometimes, there might be value in zagging while most others are zigging, but this would be the wrong zag for a 7th pick

I get what you're saying there is so much hype on players, even last year with Scoot, generational player. And Joes stating these aren't your average rookies they are win now!
I do think If Clingan drops to 7 I'd give serious consideration in taking him.
Watch the last half of this tape and check out some of his d abilities and passing. Has decent hands for a center also. Id take him over a couple of the guards everyone is talking about.

Donovan Clingan 2024 NCAA tournament highlightsYouTube · March Madness23K+ views · 1 month ago

 

[UKRAINEFAN]

I don't trust at all the oh Clingan is now hitting 3s in workouts. Col. They're workouts. A lot of these guys do. In an open gym with no competition. Can he improve on that? Sure. Anyone can with enough work, I suppose. But he took 8 3s in college and now we think he's gonna be a stretch big?

Yeh, the fact that he only hit 58% of his free throws makes it doubtful.

 

[Cugel]

Anyone that cant even shoot FTs has to be just lazy or be physically incapable of shooting well. Avoid like the plague. Sure they may be the next Rodman but that is a huge risk. This team needs some "sure things"

 

[UKRAINEFAN]

good lord the bullshit about Clingan is a tsunami right now. No, I don't believe any of it

here's what I do believe: Clingan averaged 17.6 minutes in his college career. I think that will be the one thing that translates to his NBA career....low minutes, just like Walter Kessler who has started less than half of his games and averaged 23 minutes

Dallas, with two bigs like Ware, just crushed Minny, with 2 bigs like Clingan who are both likely much better than Clingan will ever be. IMO, C's like Clingan are an anachronism in the modern NBA. Sometimes, there might be value in zagging while most others are zigging, but this would be the wrong zag for a 7th pick

Well, he averaged 22 minutes a game his second year and supposedly some of that was cuz they were worried about more foot injuries. which of course is another concern: a big guy with two foot inuries already... Saw something while I was reading. He had the second best rebounding rate for soph/fr. The guy ahead of him? Ware.

 

[Hoopguru]

Well, he averaged 22 minutes a game his second year and supposedly some of that was cuz they were worried about more foot injuries. which of course is another concern: a big guy with two foot inuries already... Saw something while I was reading. He had the second best rebounding rate for soph/fr. The guy ahead of him? Ware.

Yeah if he has foot injures Id been skeptical in taking him especially at 7.

 

[UKRAINEFAN]

While we are talking about Clingan, here is some more on him. I still don't know how I feel about him.
"The most fascinating upside with Clingan’s offense, though, is his passing. Clingan’s raw assist numbers aren’t outlandish as he averaged just 1.5 assists per game and his assist rate was 14.1, which did rank fifth among centers from true high major conferences. However, Clingan’s total assist numbers nearly tripled from his freshman season while his total turnovers were cut in nearly half. In his freshman season, Clingan’s assist rate was 7.4 and his turnover rate was 15.9. As a sophomore, those numbers essentially flipped to 14.1 and 7.8 respectively. Not only did Clingan experience more usage and pass the ball at a higher clip, but he did it while rarely turning it over.

What’s so impressive about Clingan’s passing is the versatility in which it arises. Clingan isn’t exclusively passing out of double teams in the post to wide-open shooters. All season, he showed an ability to read the floor, find cutters, pass out of the short roll, and display an impressive processing speed. Clingan may not provide ideal floor spacing, but his impact as a screener, ability to read the floor, and passing accuracy will fit seamlessly into any NBA system that has a semblance of movement and creativity."

https://www.noceilingsnba.com/p/donovan-clingan-the-colossus-of-the

 

[B-Roy]

It's hard to see a scenario in which Clingan -- the No. 3 player on ESPN's Big Board -- falls to No. 7, but the Trail Blazers would surely be ecstatic with this outcome, driven by the fact Houston, San Antonio, Detroit and Charlotte all have centers in place in whom their front offices are already invested.
There's chatter around the league that teams such as Portland, Memphis and Chicago might look to move up to draft Clingan earlier than this, but in this mock scenario, he falls right into the Trail Blazers' lap. Clingan brings size, length, defensive prowess, nonstop intensity and passing ability along with a back-to-back national championship pedigree. He has plenty of room for growth alongside the Blazers' core at just 20 years old. -- Givony

This is the actual quote. Just "chatter", and FWIW, Givony has Clingan dropping to the Blazers at 7 here, so :shrug:.

Givony also has Cody Williams falling to us at 14.

 

[Hoopguru]

While we are talking about Clingan, here is some more on him. I still don't know how I feel about him.
"The most fascinating upside with Clingan’s offense, though, is his passing. Clingan’s raw assist numbers aren’t outlandish as he averaged just 1.5 assists per game and his assist rate was 14.1, which did rank fifth among centers from true high major conferences. However, Clingan’s total assist numbers nearly tripled from his freshman season while his total turnovers were cut in nearly half. In his freshman season, Clingan’s assist rate was 7.4 and his turnover rate was 15.9. As a sophomore, those numbers essentially flipped to 14.1 and 7.8 respectively. Not only did Clingan experience more usage and pass the ball at a higher clip, but he did it while rarely turning it over.

What’s so impressive about Clingan’s passing is the versatility in which it arises. Clingan isn’t exclusively passing out of double teams in the post to wide-open shooters. All season, he showed an ability to read the floor, find cutters, pass out of the short roll, and display an impressive processing speed. Clingan may not provide ideal floor spacing, but his impact as a screener, ability to read the floor, and passing accuracy will fit seamlessly into any NBA system that has a semblance of movement and creativity."

https://www.noceilingsnba.com/p/donovan-clingan-the-colossus-of-the

I do like that he plays the high post as effectively as the low post with passing.

 

[Natebishop3]

For those thinking Holland/Ware would be a good result, it seems tough to fault a Clingan/Williams draft, unless one simply thinks the first pair has higher upside.

If we get Williams at 14 I will be ecstatic.

 

[blazedanugz]

If we get Williams at 14 I will be ecstatic.

I’d be thrilled if we took him at 7
I think he’s our guy we’re targeting

 

[Hoopguru]

My issue with Holland is how does a guy shoot 24% inn G League. This tells me he like Scoot leaned on their athleticism more so than shooting skill. I would think if you are playing G league you best get your 3 % up to least low 30's and thats even not great, but 24% ?. I say he drops out of the lottery somewhere mid teens.

 

[JDC]

I'm a pretty big fan of Furphy as well.

Real athlete, good in transition, fast with long strides, really good touch with his left hand around the rim (love watching him take a dribble handoff going to his left, stride to the rim and finish), good rebounder on both ends with a nose for the ball, plays with smarts and an edge to him. Not much volume, but flashed the footwork and mechanics to develop into a solid pull-up shooter that can get his shot off over the top of defenders. Good 3-point shooter, but effectiveness is not there yet off movement. Footwork isn't quite sharp enough, but his mechanics are versatile. Made some no dip threes, can shoot over top or in tight windows. Only thing a saw him struggle with a little bit was judging time and space when he was open where he'd slow his shot down too much and get blocked.

I could see OKC or Sacramento taking him in the lottery. I especially love him in OKC

 

[Sheldon Shape]

My issue with Holland is how does a guy shoot 24% inn G League. This tells me he like Scoot leaned on their athleticism more so than shooting skill. I would think if you are playing G league you best get your 3 % up to least low 30's and thats even not great, but 24% ?. I say he drops out of the lottery somewhere mid teens.

First year getting accustomed to the NBA three point line vs college three point line. That's the difference.

I'd look at the free throw % as a true indicator of their three point shooting potential.

 

[illmatic99]

 

[Pinwheel1]

Interesting that Castle refuses to go to Charlotte for a workout. LaMelo can play SG next to him...if he ever gets healthy.
It does sound like he is trying his best to end up in SA.

 

[Hoopguru]

First year getting accustomed to the NBA three point line vs college three point line. That's the difference.

I'd look at the free throw % as a true indicator of their three point shooting potential.

Guess so, however, Not sure why some guards in the draft seem to be 40 plus % shooters. Im sure he can improve but it tells me he didn't work on that aspect of the game much, leaned on his athleticism to dunk and get layups. Like Scoot did.

 

[Sheldon Shape]

Guess so, however, Not sure why some guards in the draft seem to be 40 plus % shooters. Im sure he can improve but it tells me he didn't work on that aspect of the game much, leaned on his athleticism to dunk and get layups. Like Scoot did.

Could it be because they shot from the college three point line as opposed to the NBA three point line that G-Leaguers did like Scoot, Matas and Holland did?

 

[Hoopguru]

Could it be because they shot from the college three point line as opposed to the NBA three point line that G-Leaguers did like Scoot, Matas and Holland did?

Certainly could be but how does a guy like Reed Sheppard shot 52% and some others low 40 high 30's from college?

 

[Sheldon Shape]

Certainly could be but how does a guy like Reed Sheppard shot 52% and some others low 40 high 30's from college?

They're probably better shooters, but you'll see their percentages change significantly next season as they're confronted with the NBA line.

 

[julius]

Apparently the Pelicans are delaying their acquisition of the Lakers pick until next year. So the Lakers have the 17th pick now.

God please let them waste the pick on Bronny...

 

[Driew]

Interesting that Castle refuses to go to Charlotte for a workout. LaMelo can play SG next to him...if he ever gets healthy.
It does sound like he is trying his best to end up in SA.

I mean I'd be trying to get to SA too if I was a rookie PG to play with Wemby.

 

[BigGameDamian]

 

[Sheldon Shape]

This echoes what I heard weeks ago.

 

[Natebishop3]

I still find this laughable. Bridges is worth way more then the third pick.

 

[Samuel]

We’ve tried this before, it doesn’t work.

 

[Sheldon Shape]

I still find this laughable. Bridges is worth way more then the third pick.

That's just one piece. They would throw in more.

 

[THE HCP]

Apparently the Pelicans are delaying their acquisition of the Lakers pick until next year. So the Lakers have the 17th pick now.

God please let them waste the pick on Bronny...

I wonder why they arent using it THIS year and waiting til next?

 

[SlyPokerDog]

I wonder why they arent using it THIS year and waiting til next?

They think the Lakers are going to suck next year?

 

[SharpesTriumph]

good lord the bullshit about Clingan is a tsunami right now. No, I don't believe any of it

here's what I do believe: Clingan averaged 17.6 minutes in his college career. I think that will be the one thing that translates to his NBA career....low minutes, just like Walter Kessler who has started less than half of his games and averaged 23 minutes

Dallas, with two bigs like Ware, just crushed Minny, with 2 bigs like Clingan who are both likely much better than Clingan will ever be. IMO, C's like Clingan are an anachronism in the modern NBA. Sometimes, there might be value in zagging while most others are zigging, but this would be the wrong zag for a 7th pick

Hope your right and its all bullshit.

I think we heard a lot about how the Blazers wanted Sharpe and Scoot though.... I'm certainly concerned the Blazers are targeting Clingan and will be super mad if we cash in both picks to move up and get him - would be worse than the Zach Collins draft.

 

[SharpesTriumph]

Interesting that Castle refuses to go to Charlotte for a workout. LaMelo can play SG next to him...if he ever gets healthy.
It does sound like he is trying his best to end up in SA.

Just hope we take him if he drops to #7 - if the Spurs don't grab him at #4 not sure why he'd be so set on being their second choice. Guy is 6'6 we can play him together in some lineups with Sharpe just fine. The problem is trying to play one of these guys with a 6'3" SG.

Honestly our super boring roster could use some excitement and drama.