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The "Way too Early' Draft prognostication

  • Holland

    Votes: 8 16.3%

  • Sarr

    Votes: 41 83.7%

  • Edwards

    Votes: 0 0.0%
  • Total voters
    49
I don't know, watching Mobley right now against Orlando, I can't help but think he plays better next to Allen. He is probably a better comparison to Sarr than JJJr.
Mobley is just too thin right now. Cleveland would be better off with Mobley guarding Banchero who is killing the Cavs at the moment.

Not sure Sarr is worth the top pick but we will need a quick long defender to guard tall players on the perimeter like Wemby, Towns, and Holmgren
 
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The first time watching Sarr move reminded me of a defensive version of LMA — who came in slender but heavier at 234 at age 21 and a lot less physical. LMA was 6’10 no shoes and long with a 7’4.75” wingspan.

The tall, slender players — Chet, Wemby (and the less successful Poku) — aren’t getting muscled up by playing inside. Not yet. Outside in. They need 3-4 years of health to build core strength and put on good weight with flexibility that won’t overburden their frame and feet.

Abdul-Jabbar is the template for physicality at 7’2. Around 225. Strong. Durable. Played only 65 games once. All the rest were in the 70s and above. Played 30+ minutes thru age 39 with his first 7 seasons at 40+ minutes per.
 
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HoopsFanAZ said:
The first time watching Sarr move reminded me of a defensive version of LMA — who came in slender but heavier at 234 at age 21 and a lot less physical. LMA was 6’10 no shoes and long with a 7’4.75” wingspan.
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He's incredibly mobile and knows how to move his hips elite level for his size.
 
Pinwheel1 said:
I don't know, watching Mobley right now against Orlando, I can't help but think he plays better next to Allen. He is probably a better comparison to Sarr than JJJr.
Mobley is just too thin right now. Cleveland would be better off with Mobley guarding Banchero who is killing the Cavs at the moment.

Not sure Sarr is worth the top pick but we will need a quick long defender to guard tall players on the perimeter like Wemby, Towns, and Holmgren
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This.

You aren't the first person I've seen make the Mobley-Sarr comparison, and I posted a few weeks ago that I think the tiebreaker that makes Sarr the way to go over a bunch of other top prospects with question marks is he is the one player in this draft that could be able to make Wemby have to work harder for his shots, and in a couple of years to make the finals Wemby is who you're probably going to have to go through.
 
Samuel said:
Really, really rough defensively. Would be a while before he could be serviceable on that end.
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If we draft a SF (instead of Sarr) Tyler Smith might be worth taking despite how raw he is defensively. Is he really 6'10? The combine should clear that up.
From what I saw in his Gleague videos, at least he has the tools to be a good defender....even if he isn't now. At least he already has a solid 3pt shot.
 
Someone going to make a lottery game thread? @Chris Craig Probably worthy of its own thread, and more important than any game last season.

2024 NBA draft lottery - Sunday 5/12 5:30pm PT ESPN

Draft Combine with be 5/13-5/19
Draft will be June 26-27 over two nights for the first time. In theory could lead to more trades.
 
SharpesTriumph said:
2024 NBA draft lottery - Sunday 5/12 5:30pm PT ESPN

Draft Combine with be 5/13-5/19
Draft will be June 26-27 over two nights for the first time. In theory could lead to more trades.
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Interesting that it is over two nights. Are they expanding the time between each pick for the 2nd round? I think the NFL needed to spread it out, but I am not sure the NBA does. But I guess it doesn't matter.
 
Pinwheel1 said:
If we draft a SF (instead of Sarr) Tyler Smith might be worth taking despite how raw he is defensively. Is he really 6'10? The combine should clear that up.
From what I saw in his Gleague videos, at least he has the tools to be a good defender....even if he isn't now. At least he already has a solid 3pt shot.
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Unless he destroys pre draft workouts he should be available at 14. Could be a steal, but a player should slide for some unknown reason like Whitmore last season.
 
Pinwheel1 said:
Interesting that it is over two nights. Are they expanding the time between each pick for the 2nd round? I think the NFL needed to spread it out, but I am not sure the NBA does. But I guess it doesn't matter.
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I haven't paid that much attention but when I saw it was being expanded, my first though was 'that's stupid' and my 2nd thought was 'that's just ESPN wanting to sell more commercials'. Talking heads and bloviators will love it. I don't think many fans will
 
I need last years or 2 or 3 years ago’s DRAFT threads bumped to see how all the experts did on here with their professional scouting reports.
 
I hear the Spurs want Topic and are willing to take him at #1. Who are some other possibilities who would skip over drafting Sarr because of fit/need? Perhaps the Pistons.

It's feasible Portland could use both picks to move up to get Sarr. Or their pick plus both 2nds. Blazers insiders suggest they don't want to use both lottery picks anyways.
 
AmirIcon said:
I hear the Spurs want Topic and are willing to take him at #1. Who are some other possibilities who would skip over drafting Sarr because of fit/need? Perhaps the Pistons.

It's feasible Portland could use both picks to move up to get Sarr. Or their pick plus both 2nds. Blazers insiders suggest they don't want to use both lottery picks anyways.
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“Blazers Insiders”?

Please share with us who these “insiders” are.
 
Here are Kevin Pelton's rankings, which uses the WARP stat - which is supposed to factor in the player's impact. It's not foolproof but it does accurately highlight certain players against the consensus.

2022: https://archive.md/z2Rjq

- Chet is ranked number one and Jabari is number two, Kessler and Eason make it into a Top 10 (which they do deserve imo), no Paolo in top 10 (but Sharpe is). Jalen Williams absolutely disregarded.

2023: https://archive.md/OMS2S

- Vic, Miller, and Whitmore take Top 3. No Thompsons since they played in OTE. Derrick Lively II finds himself being #7. Keyonte George (#12) is ranked above Scoot (#13), who "advanced stats" somewhat didn't favor even back then.

2024: https://archive.md/N71MJ

- Current rankings are in the order of Clingan, Sheppard, Sarr, Edey, Risacher.

Previous rankings: https://archive.md/J7grM

It's not bad as a reference for cross-checking but I notice it's friendlier to quality big men and guards that score than all-around forwards and shooting guards. Hence, Edwards slipped and so did Banchero.
 
SharpesTriumph said:
Someone going to make a lottery game thread? @Chris Craig Probably worthy of its own thread, and more important than any game last season.

2024 NBA draft lottery - Sunday 5/12 5:30pm PT ESPN

Draft Combine with be 5/13-5/19
Draft will be June 26-27 over two nights for the first time. In theory could lead to more trades.
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Yeah, I will make one.
 
We talk about how bad this draft is and it may be. But comparatively speaking is it that different from the last 4 drafts?
There is no star but other than that one player in each draft, it looks the same to me.

20'
Antony Edwards.....star and difference-maker.....the rest of that draft was not that good https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2020_NBA_draft

21'
Cade, Green, Mobley, Suggs, Giddy......any difference-makers so far? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2021_NBA_draft

22'
Banchero was rated pretty high in this forum, but many mocks had him going 3rd. He is a stud, but how many others in that top 10 are "difference makers"?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2022_NBA_draft

23'
After Wemby? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2023_NBA_draft

It is still early, but just looking at the top 10 picks in the last 4 drafts there are 3 total franchise difference makers that I see. So is this draft really that bad or just about average?
 
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Pinwheel1 said:
We talk about how bad this draft is and it may be. But comparatively speaking is it that different from the last 4 drafts?
There is no star but other than that one player in each draft, it looks the same to me.

20'
Antony Edwards.....star and difference-maker.....the rest of that draft was not that good https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2020_NBA_draft

21'
Cade, Greed, Mobley, Suggs, Giddy......any difference-makers so far? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2021_NBA_draft

22'
Banchero was rated pretty high in this forum, but many mocks had him going 3rd. He is a stud, but how many others in that top 10 are "difference makers"?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2022_NBA_draft

23'
After Wemby? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2023_NBA_draft

It is still early, but just looking at the top 10 picks in the last 4 drafts there are 3 total franchise difference makers that I see. So is this draft really that bad or just about average?
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I think you forgot Chet in '22.
 
tlongII said:
I think you forgot Chet in '22.
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I have read that we need to keep tanking until we get the star player necessary to compete for championships.
I think Chet is good and I would love to have him, but is he the type of difference-maker that would do that? Can he take a game over?

Obviously, it takes more than one player to win it all, but my point is this draft can get us a good player, just not a great one. And when you compare the last 4 drafts there are arguably only 3 legitimate stars that meet that criteria.
 
Pinwheel1 said:
I have read that we need to keep tanking until we get the star player necessary to compete for championships.
I think Chet is good and I would love to have him, but is he the type of difference-maker that would do that? Can he take a game over?

Obviously, it takes more than one player to win it all, but my point is this draft can get us a good player, just not a great one. And when you compare the last 4 drafts there are arguably only 3 legitimate stars that meet that criteria.
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As a rookie he's part of a 3 headed monster to a championship contender. That should tell you.
 
AmirIcon said:
As a rookie he's part of a 3 headed monster to a championship contender. That should tell you.
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It doesn't. It just tells me he is really good. But let's include Chet. My point remains the same.
 
Pinwheel1 said:
Interesting that it is over two nights. Are they expanding the time between each pick for the 2nd round? I think the NFL needed to spread it out, but I am not sure the NBA does. But I guess it doesn't matter.
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I'm not certain but yeah seems 2nd round could have 5 minutes. 2 minutes is ridiculous, Jokic was drafted during a Burger King ad or something.

My favorite part of the NBA season is Draft, free agency, trade deadline, at least until we win a series again next decade. I'm personally in favor of multiple days. I think it could lead to more trades. Also just more suspense of each teams decisions, needs, direction, and time to explore trades.

If it were up to me I'd do picks
1-10 first day
11-30 2nd day
31-60 last day

Also I'm very intrigued by the idea of doing free agency before the draft.
 
Pinwheel1 said:
It doesn't. It just tells me he is really good. But let's include Chet. My point remains the same.
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I think they did not make the playoffs last year, they were the #1 seed in the west this year and currently in the 2nd round with him as a rookie as the biggest change year to year. I would say, yes, he is a difference maker.
 
andalusian said:
I think they did not make the playoffs last year, they were the #1 seed in the west this year and currently in the 2nd round with him as a rookie as the biggest change year to year. I would say, yes, he is a difference maker.
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Or the whole team got better since they are all so young. But he is not their star....if you take SGA off the team are they even close to being the same team?
 
Pinwheel1 said:
We talk about how bad this draft is and it may be. But comparatively speaking is it that different from the last 4 drafts?
There is no star but other than that one player in each draft, it looks the same to me.

20'
Antony Edwards.....star and difference-maker.....the rest of that draft was not that good https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2020_NBA_draft

21'
Cade, Green, Mobley, Suggs, Giddy......any difference-makers so far? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2021_NBA_draft

22'
Banchero was rated pretty high in this forum, but many mocks had him going 3rd. He is a stud, but how many others in that top 10 are "difference makers"?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2022_NBA_draft

23'
After Wemby? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2023_NBA_draft

It is still early, but just looking at the top 10 picks in the last 4 drafts there are 3 total franchise difference makers that I see. So is this draft really that bad or just about average?
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The 2019 draft is probably on par with this one.
I think it's below 2020 & 21 drafts.

Too early to tell about the 22 and 23 drafts.
***Edited -> I missed Halliburton, Maxey, & Bane in my review of the 20 draft class.***
 
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Pinwheel1 said:
Or the whole team got better since they are all so young. But he is not their star....if you take SGA off the team are they even close to being the same team?
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I could maybe accept that a lot of the offensive improvement (from #13 in ORTG last year to #3) is not Chet related (I am not sure it is), but Chet makes that team so much more dangerous even on offense simply by having someone that can play both in and out and shoot from the outside to give SGA the space he needs, but they now have a true defensive identity that they did not have before, they were #14 or so in drtg last year, they are now #4 and the main reason for that is Chet. They now have both perimeter and interior defender - and Chet is so fast that he can work in their switching pattern.

His PER is 20 for the year (as a rookie) and that's an offensive stat which is not the main impact he has.



Look at WS/48 - Chet, as a rookie, is #20 in the entire NBA. #20.

Dame Lillard is #45, Sengun is #30, Lebron is #25.

Sorry, but Chet is about as impactful as you get for a rookie.
 
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