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handiman said:
We sent out 4 picks instead of taking back 1 or 2 picks as presumed by most, so yes, we paid to get rid of him. Whether it ends up being a worthwhile trade is a different matter entirely.



Other GMs, aka impartial observers, have reportedly said we overpaid. Trade grades seemed to be lower than Wizard fans and many here felt of the price paid for Deni. So, you may approve of the acquisition cost, but saying he was easily worth the price is quantifiably false. It's TBD whether he lives up to the overpay.

Sure, it's likely a trade-up, but it also probably wouldn't have taken four picks to move to the top of this draft, so that's a moot point.
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What other GMs? A lot of people say a lot of things. But I heard a lot of Wizard fans upset and the trade, and a lot of fans from other teams asking why they didn't do a deal like that? Think of it being like packaging #14 and a couple of picks in the 20s for a #1. You do that every time.
 
Natebishop3 said:
You know what matches perfectly?

Rui/Vincent/Knecht = $31.8 million
Grant/Reath = $31.8 million

I'd still want a first with Knecht. We're taking on Vincent's awful contract. Maybe a swap.

Rui/Vincent/Knecht/2029 FRP/2030 swap for Grant/Reath.
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but again, that leaves the Lakers 600K below the 2nd apron with 12 players. They would still have to sign 2 more. Bronny is one and there would have to be a 14th player. They would be bumped 2M over the 2nd apron and have all the restrictions that come with that...for Grant, after giving up two first's. I think we may be overrating Laker desperation around here

Kuzma is more than 6M cheaper and I seriously doubt the Wizards would be demanding two firsts for him. They might initially ask for 2, but I'd bet they'd drop their ask
 
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2 picks seems really steep for the Lakers.

But, Joe's posturing isn't to Rob, it's to Sam Presti and Daryl Morey. He wants to make sure that if another team swoops in, they throw Portland at least two first round picks. Something both of those other teams have.
 
wizenheimer said:
but again, that leaves the Lakers 600K below the 2nd apron with 12 players. They would still have to sign 2 more. Bronny is one and there would have to be a 14th player. They would be bumped 2M over the 2nd apron and have all the restrictions that come with that...for Grant, after giving up two first's. I think we may be overrating Laker desperation around here

Kuzma is more than 6M cheaper and I seriously doubt the Wizards would be demanding two firsts for him. They might initially ask for 2, but I'd bet they'd drop their ask
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Kuzma is also that much worse of a player. He’s a lousy shooter. I wouldn’t even give a pick for him.
 
Who are the Lakers' other options outside JG?

Cam Johnson
Doria Finney Smith
Kyle Kuzma

Are we (blazers) so scared to go into the season with Jerami that we don't try to make the lakers overpay now?

Is Lebron ok with running it back? No

Do they have better options outside JG? Probably not.

If we wanna settle for one first for JG, we can do that Dec to Feb.

Risk:

We will have slightly more Ws - bad

Avdija and Camara growth is delayed by half a season - bad

Reward:

One extra first

Is the juice worth the squeeze?
 
inconceivable said:
Who are the Lakers' other options outside JG?

Cam Johnson
Doria Finney Smith
Kyle Kuzma

Are we (blazers) so scared to go into the season with Jerami that we don't try to make the lakers overpay now?

Is Lebron ok with running it back? No

Do they have better options outside JG? Probably not.

If we wanna settle for one first for JG, we can do that Dec to Feb.

Risk:

We will have slightly more Ws - bad

Avdija and Camara growth is delayed by half a season - bad

Reward:

One extra first

Is the juice worth the squeeze?
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It's actually not that easy of a question to answer when you pile up all of those risks. I would really like to move on with the rebuild. I think one pick for Jerami would be gifting the Lakers with a better shot at the title without them paying for it. Again if we could get a third team involved that would take one or even two of the Lakers players for another first and/or get the Lakers to throw in a very slightly protected (top 4 at most) or unprotected swap then it would be worth it.

I hope Joe isn't just spamming them with "Your 2029 and 2031 first round picks without any protections or you can try your hand without Jerami." I hope Joe is being creative and looking at all of the ways to get this deal done that gets us a good return, makes the Lakers pay but also helps them feel like they're not giving up so much that they won't do the deal. This nuanced shit is what I get a feeling that Joe isn't great at.

Just fucking trade Jerami, get an unrestricted FRP and something else either by flipping a player to a third team or a swap or a lotto protected second FRP. Then as Highkin said, move on to moving Ant.
 
blazerkor said:
It's actually not that easy of a question to answer when you pile up all of those risks. I would really like to move on with the rebuild. I think one pick for Jerami would be gifting the Lakers with a better shot at the title without them paying for it. Again if we could get a third team involved that would take one or even two of the Lakers players for another first and/or get the Lakers to throw in a very slightly protected (top 4 at most) or unprotected swap then it would be worth it.

I hope Joe isn't just spamming them with "Your 2029 and 2031 first round picks without any protections or you can try your hand without Jerami." I hope Joe is being creative and looking at all of the ways to get this deal done that gets us a good return, makes the Lakers pay but also helps them feel like they're not giving up so much that they won't do the deal. This nuanced shit is what I get a feeling that Joe isn't great at.

Just fucking trade Jerami, get an unrestricted FRP and something else either by flipping a player to a third team or a swap or a lotto protected second FRP. Then as Highkin said, move on to moving Ant.
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Come to think of it, has JC ever been involved in a multi team trade as GM?
 
Duncd on podcast assuming the pick swap in the DeRozen deal is a second rounder. That makes much more sense. Insane if the Kings gave up an unprotected first round swap. Haven't seen it confirmed as first or second round anywhere though.
 
Warriors trying to float Wiggins for Markkanen rumors. Jazz supposedly want to make it a 3-way and get draft picks.
 
inconceivable said:
I don't see how Wiggins would be appealing to Utah
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I concocted a beauty with my subpar GM'ing skills:
Wiggins to Brooklyn
Ben Simmons injuries to Utah
Markkanen to GSW

how does it work? The Dubs blossom out and send scrubs and picks and cash to Danny Ainge and the Brooklyn whatever rebuilders. Utah fans will cheer for anybody, and Nets fans can get continue their denial fighting whether Wiggins is better then what Ben Simmons was supposed to be.
 
Whyachi said:
I concocted a beauty with my subpar GM'ing skills:
Wiggins to Brooklyn
Ben Simmons injuries to Utah
Markkanen to GSW

how does it work? The Dubs blossom out and send scrubs and picks and cash to Danny Ainge and the Brooklyn whatever rebuilders. Utah fans will cheer for anybody, and Nets fans can get continue their denial fighting whether Wiggins is better then what Ben Simmons was supposed to be.
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Utah wants picks and Brooklyn isn’t giving up picks to move off Simmons at this point. Maybe a few years ago.
 
Natebishop3 said:
Utah wants picks and Brooklyn isn’t giving up picks to move off Simmons at this point. Maybe a few years ago.
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Nets get Wiggins !! and a pick and a scrub. It's going to be an epic trade. Cash cash cash considerations everywhere. Maybe even Gary Payton's Toradol stash
 
Natebishop3 said:
Utah wants picks and Brooklyn isn’t giving up picks to move off Simmons at this point. Maybe a few years ago.
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GSW have all their picks so certainly could give Utah enough. Not sure they'd be a contender after this move though.

Perhaps Wiggins contract with money next year is less desirable to Utah than Simmons expiring. In that case no picks would need to move to include Brooklyn.
 
Rastapopoulos said:
Here's a player I really wish we'd sign: Isaiah Mobley

https://www.nba.com/watch/video/isaiah-mobley-named-summer-league-championship-game-mvp

He plays a position of weakness for us (not that we've really got a position of strength, but...)

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Right now we have fifteen guys under contract and two of our three two-ways. I think this dude will get better than a two way but I love it if we got him on one. I also wouldn't mind if we sent more of our win now players out than players we brought back in those trades or maybe an expiring vet that we buyout. Then maybe we could pick up the smaller Mobley bro on a standard contract which would be cool.

I don't know if I'd be willing to waive any of our young guys just to make room for him.
 
blazerkor said:
Right now we have fifteen guys under contract and two of our three two-ways. I think this dude will get better than a two way but I love it if we got him on one. I also wouldn't mind if we sent more of our win now players out than players we brought back in those trades or maybe an expiring vet that we buyout. Then maybe we could pick up the smaller Mobley bro on a standard contract which would be cool.

I don't know if I'd be willing to waive any of our young guys just to make room for him.
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I doubt we sign anybody to a full NBA contract, Id be shocked actually. We might have 1 or 2 guys come in if we do a trade and actually have to cut one of Walker/Murray/Banton at the start of the regular season.

Maybe we sign one more 2 way though.
 
Any word on the Bulls mass exodus? I see fans in Chicago mixing Zach Lavine & Markkanen & FRP's in a giant 4-way.
 
John Wall looking for a mentorship vet minimum spot. He'd like to become an NBA coach someday.

Wall talks about getting back in the league @3:09 of this video

 
Gary Trent accepted a 1 year 2.6m vet minimum to play in Milwaukee. There's a rumor going around that Lillard helped the Bucks recruit Trent Jr.

OMgosh, troll alert. How dare a Blazer fan post an entirely speculative and borderline positive comment about Dame on a Blazers forum.
 
Whyachi said:
Gary Trent accepted a 1 year 2.6m vet minimum to play in Milwaukee. There's a rumor going around that Lillard helped the Bucks recruit Trent Jr.

OMgosh, troll alert. How dare a Blazer fan post an entirely speculative and borderline positive comment about Dame on a Blazers forum.
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That is great signing for vet min. It will aid in them losing PatBev
 
inconceivable said:
That is great signing for vet min. It will aid in them losing PatBev
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Yeah PatBev is gone they already picked up Delon Wright to fill that backup PG role. They also pulled in Taurean Prince. So those two and Gary make their roster better than it was last season but due to Giannis's and Dame's injuries last season, epecially in the playoffs we don't know how close they were then, so no one really knows if they're closer to a championship, if they would have already got through the East or if they were too far away from contention that this won't make a difference.

I still think while they needed to get away from Griffin as their head coach, Doc has shown time and time again that he can take great rosters and lose with them in the playoffs.
 
blazerkor said:
Yeah PatBev is gone they already picked up Delon Wright to fill that backup PG role. They also pulled in Taurean Prince. So those two and Gary make their roster better than it was last season but due to Giannis's and Dame's injuries last season, epecially in the playoffs we don't know how close they were then, so no one really knows if they're closer to a championship, if they would have already got through the East or if they were too far away from contention that this won't make a difference.

I still think while they needed to get away from Griffin as their head coach, Doc has shown time and time again that he can take great rosters and lose with them in the playoffs.
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They were top two in the east until the knicks passed them in the last game or so. They were good but the knicks smd philly got better

Boston, New York, Phila, Milwaukee.
Those will be the homecourt playoff teams in the East
 
inconceivable said:
They were top two in the east until the knicks passed them in the last game or so. They were good but the knicks smd philly got better

Boston, New York, Phila, Milwaukee.
Those will be the homecourt playoff teams in the East
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Let's not underestimate the Magic. Their backcourt is going to be stellar defensively, and they're so young that internal growth is going to be significant.
 
PtldPlatypus said:
Let's not underestimate the Magic. Their backcourt is going to be stellar defensively, and they're so young that internal growth is going to be significant.
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that Magic can't go anywhere without Simons. The latest digi-trade is Orlando giving Portland 2-3 budget players and 10 unprotected FRP's for Anfernee and Ayton.
 
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