2024 NBA Free Agency (1 Viewer)

[inconceivable]

They're going to pay for Jerami. If they were moving onto someone else we'd already know. They'll pay, I just don't know how much and if a third team will be involved.

It'll be an equivalent of 2 firsts

 

[SharpesTriumph]

They're going to pay for Jerami. If they were moving onto someone else we'd already know. They'll pay, I just don't know how much and if a third team will be involved.

More likely they pivot to Kuzma, Brown, etc as they could get two of those guys. If they're giving up the rest of their picks their going to target Markennen, Trae, Garland and not Jeremi Grant.

 

[SharpesTriumph]

It'll be an equivalent of 2 firsts

One unprotected first and an unprotected swap is a great haul for Portland, so I hope Cronin isn't insisting on more. We could be getting stuck in a Timelord 2.0 situation with a much worse contract.

 

[SharpesTriumph]

Wow Spurs get a 2031 unprotected swap from the Kings. By far the best asset in the DeRozen trade. Barnes isn't even that bad of a contract, Spurs might also be able to flip him for value later, just as OKC has done.

That is the type of deal the rebuilding Blazers should try to use cap space for if we can ever get smart with our spending.

 

[RR7]

Wow Spurs get a 2031 unprotected swap from the Kings. By far the best asset in the DeRozen trade. Barnes isn't even that bad of a contract, Spurs might also be able to flip him for value later, just as OKC has done.

That is the type of deal the rebuilding Blazers should try to use cap space for if we can ever get smart with our spending.

Yet you were just arguing against the value of cap space/TPE in the anfernee thread

 

[Pinwheel1]

More likely they pivot to Kuzma, Brown, etc as they could get two of those guys. If they're giving up the rest of their picks their going to target Markennen, Trae, Garland and not Jeremi Grant.

I doubt they want Trae.
I doubt they have enough assets for Markennen and Garland.

Kuzma is the one I have been wondering about. Cheaper and younger than Grant and he played well for the Lakers when he was there.

 

[PtldPlatypus]

I doubt they want Trae.
I doubt they have enough assets for Markennen and Garland.

Kuzma is the one I have been wondering about. Cheaper and younger than Grant and he played well for the Lakers when he was there.

He was average at best when he was there. His rookie season was actually his best Laker year, and he only really eclipsed that in Washington through higher usage. Sure, he's cheaper, but there are myriad reasons. He can't swing down to the 3 like Grant can, he's not much of a floor spreader, and he's markedly worse defensively. If the Lakers want to take another swing at contending with Lebron, Kuzma can't get them there.

 

[beast blazer]

He was average at best when he was there. His rookie season was actually his best Laker year, and he only really eclipsed that in Washington through higher usage. Sure, he's cheaper, but there are myriad reasons. He can't swing down to the 3 like Grant can, he's not much of a floor spreader, and he's markedly worse defensively. If the Lakers want to take another swing at contending with Lebron, Kuzma can't get them there.

You will give us 2 first round picks for Jerami Grant, and you will like it.

 

[PtldPlatypus]

You will give us 2 first round picks for Jerami Grant, and you will like it.

Yeah that seems to be Cronin's stance, and I guess I get it. Rui/DLo/29 would be pretty good too, assuming Russell could be flipped further, but I get the feeling that's not on the table.

Just seems to me like Pelinka's going to piss off the Laker fan base if he can't get a deal done for a difference maker, but he doesn't seem to have the stomach for the necessary risk.

 

[beast blazer]

Yeah that seems to be Cronin's stance, and I guess I get it. Rui/DLo/29 would be pretty good too, assuming Russell could be flipped further, but I get the feeling that's not on the table.

Just seems to me like Pelinka's going to piss off the Laker fan base if he can't get a deal done for a difference maker, but he doesn't seem to have the stomach for the necessary risk.

I don't see why LA would want to trade D'Angelo. He's like a Jerami Grant of PGs. Who would they replace him with?

 

[PtldPlatypus]

I don't see why LA would want to trade D'Angelo. He's like a Jerami Grant of PGs. Who would they replace him with?

Bronny, of course!

 

[wizenheimer]

I don't see why LA would want to trade D'Angelo. He's like a Jerami Grant of PGs. Who would they replace him with?

the 2nd apron is hanging over their heads and moving Russell is the best way to get some breathing room

but Russell was a good player for them last season, arguably putting up better numbers than Simons, so if they have to dump Russell it could go a long way toward explaining their reluctance to also give up draft assets, especially considering they don't have much in the first place

 

[beast blazer]

the 2nd apron is hanging over their heads and moving Russell is the best way to get some breathing room

but Russell was a good player for them last season, arguably putting up better numbers than Simons, so if they have to dump Russell it could go a long way toward explaining their reluctance to also give up draft assets, especially considering they don't have much in the first place

Seems to me if they trade D'Angelo and Rui in exchange for Grant they're just treading water.

 

[blazerkor]

I think it's Rui and Gabe Vincent coming back for Jerami. I think the negotiation is obviously about draft capital coming here with those two. I think we should be willing to take an unprotected swap in 2029 and an unprotected or very lightly protected (top one or top three at the most) pick in 2030.

 

[wizenheimer]

Seems to me if they trade D'Angelo and Rui in exchange for Grant they're just treading water.

I agree

but maybe an Ayton-->Pelicans/Ingram-->Lakers/Russell+Rui-->Blazers (+draft assets) changes the equation quite a bit

 

[wizenheimer]

I think it's Rui and Gabe Vincent coming back for Jerami. I.

that is not a legal trade

the Lakers are 500-600K below the 2nd apron. Grant's salary is 29.8M. Lakers would have to send out at least 29.3M to aggregate salaries

Rui + Vincent = 28M...no
Russell + Vincent = 29.7M...yes (but it's two guards and they are already light in the back court)
Russell + Vanderbilt = 29.4M...yes

It just about has to be Russell going out in order for the Lakers to execute a legal trade. But the problem with those two trades above is that as soon as the Lakers officially sign Bronny, they are in 2nd apron hell and they'd still have to sign a 14th player

however, Russell + Rui for Grant + Walker/Reath put the Lakers over 4M below the 2nd apron giving them lots of breathing room. The issue with that trade is it kind of looks like a lateral move. Both Russell and Rui were solid contributors for the Lakers last season (32 pts; 6 rebs; 8 asts. 42% shooting on 10.5 three's/game. 9.2 winshares). If Cronin is asking for two first's on top of that, the Lakers are justified in telling Portland to pound sand and looking elsewhere

 

[JfizzleBlazer]

If the sticking point really is they don't want to send two firsts or a first and Knecht, why not 1 first and both 2nds they have in next year's draft? They have their own and the Clippers. Both of those could be in the 40s in a supposed loaded draft that could be used as ammo to move up with our own pick (if we likely miss the playoffs).

 

[blazerkor]

If the sticking point really is they don't want to send two firsts or a first and Knecht, why not 1 first and both 2nds they have in next year's draft? They have their own and the Clippers. Both of those could be in the 40s in a supposed loaded draft that could be used as ammo to move up with our own pick (if we likely miss the playoffs).

It's not most of us you have to convince. We don't know what our front office is demanding for Jerami or how far Joe is willing to compromise that and we don't know what the max the Lakers have been willing to compromise from what I'm sure is a low ball ideal for them.

I think most of us would be very happy if it were a first round pick with very limited protections (top 1 or top 4) or none and a swap with similar protections. This could preserve one tradeable first for the Lakers. I also hope both sides are being creative. What might other teams give up for DLo, Rui and/or Vando? Would that make up the difference in draft compensation between what the Lakers are offering and what we need to feel good about the trade?

Again, I really think there is a good chance that when all of the GMs including Pelinka and Joe are in Vegas starting late this next week, face to face discussions will happen and they'll likely figure something out. Now that DeRozan is off the market Jerami is by far the best single piece available that the Lakers can acquire to increase their chances at a title... far better than Kuzma both in terms of overall ability and fit.

 

[KingSpeed]

I just want to get the best value possible for our assets and not half-ass the rebuild.

If we emerge from this rebuild with Simons or Grant we have half-assed the rebuild, IMO.

Why? We’ve shown we can tank hard with those guys. If we can’t get value, be patient. Maybe they’ll have more value at the deadline.

 

[Phatguysrule]

Why? We’ve shown we can tank hard with those guys. If we can’t get value, be patient. Maybe they’ll have more value at the deadline.

Why what? How is playing at a celler dweller level with these guys playing me-ball going to raise their value?

I'm just saying I want to get max value for these guys ASAP. If that's at the deadline so be it.

But I seriously doubt their value will go up. It's probably more likely to drop.

 

[Pinwheel1]

Why what? How is playing at a celler dweller level with these guys playing me-ball going to raise their value?

I'm just saying I want to get max value for these guys ASAP. If that's at the deadline so be it.

But I seriously doubt their value will go up. It's probably more likely to drop.

We don't know. Their value could go up or it could be the same. The only way it goes down is if they get hurt.
On the other hand, a team might have a player who also gets hurt and is desperate for help. It is impossible to know for sure.

 

[Phatguysrule]

We don't know. Their value could go up or it could be the same. The only way it goes down is if they get hurt.
On the other hand, a team might have a player who also gets hurt and is desperate for help. It is impossible to know for sure.

How could it possibly go up? Everyone knows who these players are.

Unless Ant starts playing lockdown D and Grant decides to start pulling down twice as many boards... Which would be awesome.

If we're waiting for that we're setting ourselves up for another CJ situation.

 

[handiman]

We don't know. Their value could go up or it could be the same. The only way it goes down is if they get hurt.
On the other hand, a team might have a player who also gets hurt and is desperate for help. It is impossible to know for sure.

Brogdon is the red flag there. He was supposedly worth one or two 1sts, and instead we sent out two 1sts and two 2nds to get rid of him. (I doubt anyone was predicting Deni is worth three or four 1sts, given how much better Bridges is and that being a historic but fairly comparable haul of picks not likely to be any better.)

 

[Pinwheel1]

Brogdon is the red flag there. He was supposedly worth one or two 1sts, and instead we sent out two 1sts and two 2nds to get rid of him. (I doubt anyone was predicting Deni is worth three or four 1sts, given how much better Bridges is and that being a historic but fairly comparable haul of picks not likely to be any better.)

We paid to get rid of Brogdon? I think the Blazer management would disagree with this. I disagree as well but then again I know as much about Deni as you do. (Nothing)

 

[Pinwheel1]

How could it possibly go up? Everyone knows who these players are.

Unless Ant starts playing lockdown D and Grant decides to start pulling down twice as many boards... Which would be awesome.

If we're waiting for that we're setting ourselves up for another CJ situation.

Supply and demand. In this case, if a team gets desperate then they are willing to pay more.

 

[Phatguysrule]

Supply and demand. In this case, if a team gets desperate then they are willing to pay more.

 

[beast blazer]

Brogdon is the red flag there. He was supposedly worth one or two 1sts, and instead we sent out two 1sts and two 2nds to get rid of him. (I doubt anyone was predicting Deni is worth three or four 1sts, given how much better Bridges is and that being a historic but fairly comparable haul of picks not likely to be any better.)

Deni was easily worth the price we paid. Brogdon probably would have gotten us a late first because a good team would be the one most likely to want him.

Deni would have been the #1 overall pick if he had come out in this draft. So think of it as a trade up.

One of the benefits of collecting a bunch of picks, is your ability to cash them in for a young player that you know is good, rather than drafting players and hoping they're good.

 

[handiman]

We paid to get rid of Brogdon? I think the Blazer management would disagree with this. I disagree as well but then again I know as much about Deni as you do. (Nothing)

We sent out 4 picks instead of taking back 1 or 2 picks as presumed by most, so yes, we paid to get rid of him. Whether it ends up being a worthwhile trade is a different matter entirely.

Deni was easily worth the price we paid. Brogdon probably would have gotten us a late first because a good team would be the one most likely to want him.

Deni would have been the #1 overall pick if he had come out in this draft. So think of it as a trade up.

One of the benefits of collecting a bunch of picks, is your ability to cash them in for a young player that you know is good, rather than drafting players and hoping they're good.

Other GMs, aka impartial observers, have reportedly said we overpaid. Trade grades seemed to be lower than Wizard fans and many here felt of the price paid for Deni. So, you may approve of the acquisition cost, but saying he was easily worth the price is quantifiably false. It's TBD whether he lives up to the overpay.

Sure, it's likely a trade-up, but it also probably wouldn't have taken four picks to move to the top of this draft, so that's a moot point.

 

[HailBlazers]

Other GMs, aka impartial observers, have reportedly said we overpaid. Trade grades seemed to be lower than Wizard fans and many here felt of the price paid for Deni. So, you may approve of the acquisition cost, but saying he was easily worth the price is quantifiably false. It's TBD whether he lives up to the overpay.

Sure, it's likely a trade-up, but it also probably wouldn't have taken four picks to move to the top of this draft, so that's a moot point.

Impartial observers my a$$, GMs have axes to grind.

 

[Natebishop3]

that is not a legal trade

the Lakers are 500-600K below the 2nd apron. Grant's salary is 29.8M. Lakers would have to send out at least 29.3M to aggregate salaries

Rui + Vincent = 28M...no
Russell + Vincent = 29.7M...yes (but it's two guards and they are already light in the back court)
Russell + Vanderbilt = 29.4M...yes

It just about has to be Russell going out in order for the Lakers to execute a legal trade. But the problem with those two trades above is that as soon as the Lakers officially sign Bronny, they are in 2nd apron hell and they'd still have to sign a 14th player

however, Russell + Rui for Grant + Walker/Reath put the Lakers over 4M below the 2nd apron giving them lots of breathing room. The issue with that trade is it kind of looks like a lateral move. Both Russell and Rui were solid contributors for the Lakers last season (32 pts; 6 rebs; 8 asts. 42% shooting on 10.5 three's/game. 9.2 winshares). If Cronin is asking for two first's on top of that, the Lakers are justified in telling Portland to pound sand and looking elsewhere

You know what matches perfectly?

Rui/Vincent/Knecht = $31.8 million
Grant/Reath = $31.8 million

I'd still want a first with Knecht. We're taking on Vincent's awful contract. Maybe a swap.

Rui/Vincent/Knecht/2029 FRP/2030 swap for Grant/Reath.