...3 part question about Cashman and the GM job

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blgridesagain said:
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Not back tracking at all- obviously I wasn't enamored with the hint of Beane (if he were available) being some kind of obvious first choice top shelf replacement for Yankee GM if Cashman wasn't brought back. That's all- I just don't feel as if Beane would be such a clear cut fit/success GMing for the Yankees.

And just so you don't think I'm nuts, I felt the need to remind you that I NEVER DID say he was a BAD GM.....I just don't prefer him if he were available.

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...deny it all you want, but yes, you DID backtrack, like you're prone to do. You make inane statements, and when called on it you you vainly either change the subject or interject irrelevant justifications.
...your comments about Beane were derogatory, period. And you have yet to offer your suggestion or preference of a viable and/or available GM replacement. You ripped up totus' offering but produced nothing of your own...spiffy.
 
Rick2583 said:
My view of Billy Beane is this, I really don't know of any other GM who gets more for the buck then he does. He's proof that you don't have to spend 150-200M to put a winning product on the field.
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...and he's been doing it for years. All the while with one of the lowest payrolls year after year.

...this pretty much sums it up...long article but a good read;


http://oakland.athletics.mlb.com/oak/team/executive_bio.jsp?loc=beane

"Under his watch, the A's have compiled a 1396-1194 (.539) record over the last 16 seasons, which is the third-best record in the American League and fifth best in all of baseball during that time frame. The A's have six American League West titles (2000; 2002-03; 2006; 2012-13) and secured one AL Wild Card spot (2001) during that span. His teams have posted 90 or more wins in eight of the last 14 years. The A's seven postseason appearances since the 2000 season are tied for fourth most among all Major League teams, trailing only New York-AL (12), St. Louis (10) and Atlanta (9)."
 
...deny it all you want, but yes, you DID backtrack, like you're prone to do. You make inane statements, and when called on it you you vainly either change the subject or interject irrelevant justifications.
...your comments about Beane were derogatory, period. And you have yet to offer your suggestion or preference of a viable and/or available GM replacement. You ripped up totus' offering but produced nothing of your own...spiffy.


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What the heck is wrong with you? I'm beginning to think you really are delusional. I'm not backtracking at all....NOT IN THE LEAST......I thought I've already made my point. Billy Beane would NOT be my first choice IF HE WERE AVAILABLE and if CASHMAN wasn't retained.

His teams have won ONE ----- ONE------ONE playoff series since 2000.

AND YES ---- if you want that to say it was derogatory - BE MY GUEST.

AND NO ---- I don't have to submit a viable replacement...do you know why????......because I was commenting on the possible choice of BILLY BEANE.

IS THIS..... C...L...E....A...R?

YOU DOPE! <--- and this is case where a juicy, accurate name is needed..... YOU DOPE!

Seriously '59....you're beginning to "sound' like some foolish old man-- set in his ways who calls anyone who disagrees with him,... or doesn't quite conform the way you see fit..... nasty names.


READ MY LIPS ---> I DON'T GIVE A FLYING SHIT ABOUT BILLY BEANES' regular season W-L record as a GM.




All together now.....how many playoffs has his "successful" LOW BUDGET teams won since 2000.



READY SET GO -----------------> ONE
 
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Hey guys, for the record, I did interject Beane into the discussion. And not because I think he is the be all to end all, but that I believe the Steinbrenner's likely do believe that hype. As for how anyone can perform as GM of the Yanks, we need to remember that anyone in that position has essentially lost significant bargaining power because other franchises and agents know the ownership's track record.

When was the last period of Yankee greatness....a muzzled owner and baseball minded folks in charge. Does anyone think the Yankee GM has the kind of free reign other top Game have?

While we're at this....anyone care to put up a list of top 5 GMs?

Beane, A's
Dobrowski, Tigers
Cherington, Sux
Sabean, Giants
Friedman, Rays

But I could see Duquette (Orioles), Rizzo (Nationals), or Mozeliak (Cards) on this list.

Cashman and Coletti maybe in the top 15.
 
READ MY LIPS ---> I DON'T GIVE A FLYING SHIT ABOUT BILLY BEANES' regular season W-L record as a GM.
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...lmao...^^^ again, classic self-mutilation. This some of the funniest shit I've ever seen. You focus on only one stat as the basis of your argument and you're blind to everything else. You said he wouldn't be your pick but you have no idea who would be....again, you're lame argument is not compelling at all. As usual, you stand on an island of your own, and insist you're right, even when everyone and everything else says otherwise...why do you keep doing this to yourself?...are you also into skin grafts and root canals.


...you're basically saying "Hey, I don't care about pertinent facts or about what the general consensus is".
 
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totus44 said:
While we're at this....anyone care to put up a list of top 5 GMs?

Beane, A's
Dobrowski, Tigers
Cherington, Sux
Sabean, Giants
Friedman, Rays

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...pretty solid list...and I may be wrong but I think Beane is the longest tenured.
 
Beane 10/17/97
Sabean 9/30/96

Didn't realize this.....

Sabean began his involvement in Major League Baseball as a scout, and previously worked in the New York Yankees organization. With the Yankees, he drafted or signed as amateurs the likes of Derek Jeter, Mariano Rivera, J. T. Snow, Jorge Posada and Andy Pettitte.
 
totus44 said:
Beane 10/17/97
Sabean 9/30/96

Didn't realize this.....

Sabean began his involvement in Major League Baseball as a scout, and previously worked in the New York Yankees organization. With the Yankees, he drafted or signed as amateurs the likes of Derek Jeter, Mariano Rivera, J. T. Snow, Jorge Posada and Andy Pettitte.
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That's a pretty good resume. And he's continued that good eye for talent with the Giants.
 
...for whatever reason, Sabean is not sensationalized as much as Beane and others...he's an "under the radar" GM...actually from what I've read, Beane tries to stay out of the public eye too and generally avoids interviews and likes to live a secluded "Walden" type existence in Oregon.
 
yankeesince59 said:
...lmao...^^^ again, classic self-mutilation. This some of the funniest shit I've ever seen. You focus on only one stat as the basis of your argument and you're blind to everything else. You said he wouldn't be your pick but you have no idea who would be....again, you're lame argument is not compelling at all. As usual, you stand on an island of your own, and insist you're right, even when everyone and everything else says otherwise...why do you keep doing this to yourself?...are you also into skin grafts and root canals.


...you're basically saying "Hey, I don't care about pertinent facts or about what the general consensus is".
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So, lets see....according to '59's logic-
Beane's teams would win close to 100 games (at least!) every year if he had a similiar budget to what Cashman's Yankees have been operating with.


And for the time being I'll just stick to this pertinent fact:
Beanes' teams have won ONE playoff series since 2000.


Thank you very much.



Oh, by the way, you are nuts!
 
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blgridesagain said:
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So, lets see....according to '59's logic-
Beane's teams would win close to 100 games (at least!) every year if he had a similiar budget to what Cashman's Yankees have been operating with.


And for the time being I'll just stick to this pertinent fact:
Beanes' teams have won ONE playoff series since 2000.


Thank you very much.



Oh, by the way, you are nuts!
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...lmao...lemme get this straight, you don't think the Yanx would be worse with Cashman on a $70 Mil budget?...and you don't think the A's would be better with Beane and a $200+ Mil budget?...that's idiotic, even for you.

...also funny how you get stuck on one stat as the only measuring stick...the A's are 200+ games over .500 during Beane's tenure, but because the players have come up short in short 5 and 7 game series in the PS, Beane is to blame. You obvious have no idea how hard it is for a team to even reach the PS much less win it all.. Again, other people's opinions have countered yours, and other stats have countered yours, yet still, with only 1 stat to arm yourself with, you act as if you've won your case....but yeah, I'm the one who's nuts.
 
yankeesince59 said:
...lmao...lemme get this straight, you don't think the Yanx would be worse with Cashman on a $70 Mil budget?...and you don't think the A's would be better with Beane and a $200+ Mil budget?...that's idiotic, even for you.

...also funny how you get stuck on one stat as the only measuring stick...the A's are 200+ games over .500 during Beane's tenure, but because the players have come up short in short 5 and 7 game series in the PS, Beane is to blame. You obvious have no idea how hard it is for a team to even reach the PS much less win it all.. Again, other people's opinions have countered yours, and other stats have countered yours, yet still, with only 1 stat to arm yourself with, you act as if you've won your case....but yeah, I'm the one who's nuts.
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blah blah blah...backtracking...cover your ass...blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah


all together now, lets count........."ONE"............ since 2000.


blah blah blah blah...stop stuttering.... blah blah
 
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...great retort, nice dodge...now answer the questions;

1...you don't think the Yanx would be worse with Cashman on a $70 Mil budget?

2...you don't think the A's would be better with Beane and a $200+ Mil budget?

3...you don't think the Yanx would have done better the last 15+ years with Beane running the farm and using the Steins checkbook?
 
yankeesince59 said:
...take time to think it over before answering/commenting.


1. Will Cashman be rehired?

2. If Cash is let go, should/would Jeter be considered as a replacement?

3. If Jeter is offered the job, would he take it?
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Yes, no, no
 
yankeesince59 said:
...and he's been doing it for years. All the while with one of the lowest payrolls year after year.

...this pretty much sums it up...long article but a good read;


http://oakland.athletics.mlb.com/oak/team/executive_bio.jsp?loc=beane

"Under his watch, the A's have compiled a 1396-1194 (.539) record over the last 16 seasons, which is the third-best record in the American League and fifth best in all of baseball during that time frame. The A's have six American League West titles (2000; 2002-03; 2006; 2012-13) and secured one AL Wild Card spot (2001) during that span. His teams have posted 90 or more wins in eight of the last 14 years. The A's seven postseason appearances since the 2000 season are tied for fourth most among all Major League teams, trailing only New York-AL (12), St. Louis (10) and Atlanta (9)."
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Nice Work-59.... :smile:
 
^^^ thanx...it's just a shame that some can't see the "big picture".
 
Yes - For the record I do not think he should be the GM. I think it is time for a new voice and ideas.

No and No to the next 2 questions.
 
...hey Jetes, how's it been goin'?

...the response to the questions has pretty much been universal...but these kinds of questions are born out of boredom and the fact that the Yanx are painful to watch this year...and I assume that's the reason why you have not been around as much?...I hope it has nothing to do with your health situation.
 
Hey 59, all is well with me. I am so bored and over this Yankees team it is hard to watch them let alone talk about them. They keep making the same mistakes year after year and next year will be no different especially bringing the same GM back.
 
...good to hear...glad you're in better shape than our team.
 
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