4 year degree vs a 2 year degree

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It's also pretty misleading when people talk about a 4 year degree costing "hundreds of thousands of dollars". That just isn't true.

Oregon State:
tuition is $8500 / year.
room and board is $10,500 / year

So it is less than $20k / year. A 4 year degree is $80k. That isn't close to "hundreds of thousands"

Also, there are so many scholarships that go unused that people can receive if they put in a little work.
 
blazerboy30 said:
It's also pretty misleading when people talk about a 4 year degree costing "hundreds of thousands of dollars". That just isn't true.

Oregon State:
tuition is $8500 / year.
room and board is $10,500 / year

So it is less than $20k / year. A 4 year degree is $80k. That isn't close to "hundreds of thousands"

Also, there are so many scholarships that go unused that people can receive if they put in a little work.
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Good points, but that is dependent on the school and in state tuition I assume. There are plenty of more expensive schools out there, but there is also cheaper ways to do it, like 2 year transfer degree. $80k is still a lot, especially if you get a degree is something thats not very marketable.

My 2 year degree cost me about $15k by the way.
 
donkiez said:
Good points, but that is dependent on the school and in state tuition I assume. There are plenty of more expensive schools out there, but there is also cheaper ways to do it, like 2 year transfer degree. $80k is still a lot, especially if you get a degree is something thats not very marketable.

My 2 year degree cost me about $15k by the way.
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Agreed. But I first wrote this:

blazerboy30 said:
Don't send your kids to a private university if they want to get a liberal arts degree.
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blazerboy30 said:
It's also pretty misleading when people talk about a 4 year degree costing "hundreds of thousands of dollars". That just isn't true.

Oregon State:
tuition is $8500 / year.
room and board is $10,500 / year

So it is less than $20k / year. A 4 year degree is $80k. That isn't close to "hundreds of thousands"

Also, there are so many scholarships that go unused that people can receive if they put in a little work.
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You're being quite generous on the room and board price too. I lived in a two bedroom apartment within walking distance of campus. It was $550 per month (so only $275 for me) and included water, sewer, garbage. So I just had to split internet, cable and electricity on top of that.

Living on campus is horrendously overpriced
 
JFizzleRaider said:
You're being quite generous on the room and board price too. I lived in a two bedroom apartment within walking distance of campus. It was $550 per month (so only $275 for me) and included water, sewer, garbage. So I just had to split internet, cable and electricity on top of that.

Living on campus is horrendously overpriced
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You could probably save a lot living with your parents.
 
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Stevenson said:
College makes you smarter, and smarter is better. Life is not just about what you make, but who you are.

But even if you just want to talk about money, the facts are, college means you earn more. This is from EHow.com:

"U.S. Census Numbers

In 2006, the U.S. Census Bureau reported that adults over the age of 18 who had not received a high school diploma earned an average of $19,915. Those with high school diplomas earned an average of $29,448. People who had bachelor's degrees earned $54,689; and those with master's or more advanced degrees earned an average of $79,946. In summation, those with bachelor's degrees earned more than twice as much as those with no high school diploma and nearly twice as much as those with only a high school diploma."
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Bill Gates doesn't have a degree, and he's earned more than many many many of those graduates combined. More than Michael Jordan, too :)
 
BigGameDamian said:
You could probably save a lot living with your parents.
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Knowing some people who have done that, they are usually much more dependant on other people and are naive about the world and success.

So, no thanks.

Also, it's a lot harder to live with your parents in Portland if you're going to uo or osu. Going to those schools is a college experience, everyone I know that went to either loved it. My buddies that went to psu hated it.
 
Jordan got a degree in Cultural Geography in 1986 from UNC.
 
JFizzleRaider said:
You're being quite generous on the room and board price too. I lived in a two bedroom apartment within walking distance of campus. It was $550 per month (so only $275 for me) and included water, sewer, garbage. So I just had to split internet, cable and electricity on top of that.

Living on campus is horrendously overpriced
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For sure. That is what OSU has posted on their site. It is much cheaper to live off campus.

Also, you are going to pay for rent and food whether you are in school or not (unless you live with your parents).
 
BLAZINGGIANTS said:
Hey, mine lives with us now. But she also has full separate quarters with a bedroom (and fireplace), full kitchen, bathroom with soaking tub, etc. You will learnt to appreciate space.
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Yeah, I think I will. I'm somewhat different in that I've rarely found myself that annoyed with roommates. And I've had some pretty fucking ridiculous ones in my life. I've lived with heroine junkies, alcoholics, drama queens....there was a 50 year old guy with bad hygiene who once painted the kitchen split pea green wearing nothing but his BVD's. There was another guy who had 4 VCR's and 3 betamaxes (this was 1995) who chain smoked and coughed up half a lung daily. None of them really bothered me that much, to be honest. *shrug*

I guess I'm a good 14 years older since my last shitty roommate, so maybe it'll be harder with my mother-in-law. I doubt it, though. Living in England for the first time, I think my head will be spinning so much anyway she probably won't register much.

That one bathroom for five people could be a bitch, though.
 
mook said:
Yeah, I think I will. I'm somewhat different in that I've rarely found myself that annoyed with roommates. And I've had some pretty fucking ridiculous ones in my life. I've lived with heroine junkies, alcoholics, drama queens....there was a 50 year old guy with bad hygiene who once painted the kitchen split pea green wearing nothing but his BVD's. There was another guy who had 4 VCR's and 3 betamaxes (this was 1995) who chain smoked and coughed up half a lung daily. None of them really bothered me that much, to be honest. *shrug*
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Damn. I now know that I am a very intolerant room mate.
 
blazerboy30 said:
Damn. I now know that I am a very intolerant room mate.
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I think I've probably annoyed far more roomies than have annoyed me. The only ones who really got on my nerves were the two lesbians in college. The slightly-less-fat one had a bona-fide mustache, and the other pushed maybe 250lbs. The grunting sex they had sounded like a bull moose getting raped by the Hulk. It was terrible. The fat one also used to leave her half-drunk McDonalds milkshakes laying around--I guess the romantic urges would overtake her and she'd be so distracted by the rut that she'd forget her calorie bombs. I wouldn't clean them on principle, so they just sat there. Man I resented her especially.

Ruined McDonald's milkshakes for me when I came to realize they never melt, even after sitting on a window sill at room temperature for a month. And I still can't watch lesbian porn.

Bitches.
 
So yeah, that was after I left the dorms. Eugene is a hell of a place.
 
Anyone ever heard the following quote by Charles Barkely?:

"I don't have a degree. But everyone who works for me does."
 
Run BJM said:
Anyone ever heard the following quote by Charles Barkely?:

"I don't have a degree. But everyone who works for me does."
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The prostitute that he got busted with a few years ago (Hey, she gives the best BJ's): not a college grad.
 
Stevenson said:
College makes you smarter, and smarter is better. Life is not just about what you make, but who you are.

But even if you just want to talk about money, the facts are, college means you earn more. This is from EHow.com:

"U.S. Census Numbers

In 2006, the U.S. Census Bureau reported that adults over the age of 18 who had not received a high school diploma earned an average of $19,915. Those with high school diplomas earned an average of $29,448. People who had bachelor's degrees earned $54,689; and those with master's or more advanced degrees earned an average of $79,946. In summation, those with bachelor's degrees earned more than twice as much as those with no high school diploma and nearly twice as much as those with only a high school diploma."
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That's like saying going to church will save you. College isn't for everyone and that's not true for everyone.
 
BigGameDamian said:
That's like saying going to church will save you. College isn't for everyone and that's not true for everyone.
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Durrr. He's quoting statistics. He's not saying it applies to everyone. He's quoting stats that indicate a college grad is more likely to earn more than a non-college grad. Is that shocking?

The killer is, the way stats are, I'd love to see how successful kids are from areas that present kids with plenty of opportunity, but the kids don't make an effort to graduate from college. Basically, what's the success rate of kids that graduate college vs. do not graduate for those from areas that present fair opportunity (for example, I'd like to see how kids from most anywhere in Oregon, subtracting out the areas that have the lowest HD graduation rates). I wouldn't be shocked to see the "success" rates of kids from these higher wealth, higher opportunity areas succeed, regardless of college education.

Basically, I'm calling the statistics potentially misleading.
 
Am I disappointed in the HCP. I thought the big man had mucho contacts in the big leagues eager to curry his favor and propel his kids into the big time. What with traveling to 29 cities, hobnobbing with non-NBA business guests at each city's finest hotel, dining with captains of industry, working other sports with the nation's top telecasters in his highly visible job promoting famous stars, hitching rides on corporate jets and helicopters, guest starring on Blazer programs, etc., etc., the HCP should simply call upon favors owed him to glue his adult children into vice-presidencies instantly created just for them.

My hero has disappointed me.
 
Of course there are outliers, as anyone who ever took a college course in statistics would know.

Bill Gates did not finish college and he's rich. The tobacco companies love to find a 90 year old lifetime smoker. Global warming deniers insist every snowstorm means global warming is a hoax but record hot summers don't. Doesn't change the fact that smokers are less likely to have long lives and non-degreed people generally have lower incomes and that the planet is heating up. And that everyone should learn basic statistics.

Anyone who talks about living with "there" parents badly needs high school, not college, English.

I came from a time with no AP courses and no college in high school, so I doubled up classes and got out of Dodge, aka high school, as fast as I could - enrolled at UC Berkeley when I was 16. I had a state scholarship until then governor Reagan found them unnecessary. Fortunately tuition in those days was still low, I had a series of shitty roommates until I decided I'd rather live alone in one room, and learned to make meals out of nothing, a skill I still have. I can turn an onion and a half cup of lentils into two dinners that actually taste good. Did crap ass jobs baby sitting, which I loathed, and cleaning houses, only slightly better, but in those days the odd job service at Berkeley would not send women to anything else. I also spent a number of years majoring in political activism with a minor in political activism.

Although science majors rarely graduate in 4 years and I didn't either.
 
magnifier661 said:
Ford said something very similar
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yep..the feds took him to court to try and say he was not qualified to run such a large company..his retort was along the lines that he was not the best in every field, but that he employed them to do his bidding
 
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