4 year degree vs a 2 year degree

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Would love to get your guys' opinion on this. Obviously everybody's situation is different, but which would be the best way to go? The amount of money a 4 year degree will set you back at say UofO, compared to a trade school or Community College.

What did you guys do and has it worked out? Or did you just go into the world with a HS diploma?

Whats the best plan?

Does a traditional 4 year degree really open more doors?

Does a company not even look at somebody without one?
 
Thinking of a career change, HCP?

I think more and more companies find talent one way or another. You can be successful with little education, and you can be unsuccessful with a lot of education.

That being said, I think at least a college degree of some sort is still a basic way in the door, a conversation-starter, an acknowledgement that you supposedly put in some studying and hard work and should have some basic knowledge. I think more than anything, it very likely depends on the industry. At least as far as I can tell with regards to friends and family and my own experiences, the success, or lack thereof, and the correlation to having a degree versus not having a degree seems more and more industry-specific.

As for myself..... My wife and I both got 4-year degrees (Bachelor's) and it's working out well for both of us.
 
The banner right now is currently advertising for George Fox University.
 
Both are fine. 4 year degrees if you want to be a corporate drone, 2 year degree if you want to work with your hands.
 
^ over-generalized stereotype = lack of thorough education :MARIS61:
 
There's something to what El Pres said. If you have a marketable skill to go along with your Associate's (like welding, nursing, etc) then I think you can start well. If you're getting an AA in languages or History or something, I think you need the Bachelor's (and, increasingly, the Master's)
 
No, just thinking about my kids and what path to put them on. It's just always assumed people should just go the 4 year route. I have a lot of friends who have bachelors degrees and their degree cost them what, $60,000 more than my 2 year degree. There are so many factors in how you become successful or not, just wondering. I know there are success stories and failures with both. Just wouldn't mind hearing some opinions, and see some graphs and pie charts from you guys.
 
Here's a pie chart:

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depends on what your kids want to do. If they want to weld shit or be a plumber or electrician, go that route. if they want to do sales or whatevz, get a degree because most companies won't even interview you without one.

But seriously, a bachelor's is basically what a high school diploma was worth back when you were that age. practically useless for most cases, corporations slash salaries and benefits and outsource, most jobs will be extreme low level bullshit
 
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A friend of mine makes a ton of money and he went to ITT for like 18 months or whatever.

If you enjoy school and enjoy learning then get a 4 year degree. if you don't go to a trade school and do something you might enjoy. If you really hate school then work as a plumbers apprentice and dig ditches until you can be a plumber.

if you are advising someone, the best advice I ever got was this. "It doesn't matter what you do with your life, just have a plan"
 
Community college and then transfer into a uni if they want. Saves a lot of money.
 
Yeah, but the university experience is fun as fuck. :MARIS61:
 
My experience is that a general 2 year degree is worthless. A 4-year degree is good, but expensive. Depending on what wants to do I like technical degrees/certificates- but do your due dilligence as to the school and the specific program as many are out dated.
 
HCP, if you're really looking at what could help your kids out most, look into if your district has a Running Start program. I don't know what it is in Portland, but at my old HS you go to Community College for half of your JR and SR year (and I think it's even subsidized)--so instead of taking Calc your senior year, you take Calc 101 at the community college. Same for Chemistry, Physics, English, etc. Two of my friends actually got their AA degree before they walked at their HS graduation (by a couple of days).
 
HCP, if you're really looking at what could help your kids out most, look into if your district has a Running Start program. I don't know what it is in Portland, but at my old HS you go to Community College for half of your JR and SR year (and I think it's even subsidized)--so instead of taking Calc your senior year, you take Calc 101 at the community college. Same for Chemistry, Physics, English, etc. Two of my friends actually got their AA degree before they walked at their HS graduation (by a couple of days).

I believe PPS actually was the first in the state to do this kind of program, and I think it's free. There was an NPR story about it a couple weeks back.
 
Wow! That program sounds great. My wife has a Marketing and Business degree from PSU. It was amazing that after the kids got a little older and she was trying to get back to work, she could find nothing. It blew me away that even with this piece of paper, they didn't care. It got to a point where she was applying for office admin positions and NOT getting called back to interview. I was blown away at how her and her parents spent THAT much money and it meant nothing. Amazingly thru a connection I have, she was able to get a job in the field of her degree, but it took me knowing somebody for it to happen.
 
Yeah, go to school for 4 years to learn how to answer phones and make coffee. Really typical nowadays.

:MARIS61:
 
depends on what your kids want to do. If they want to weld shit or be a plumber or electrician, go that route. if they want to do sales or whatevz, get a degree because most companies won't even interview you without one.

But seriously, a bachelor's is basically what a high school diploma was worth back when you were that age. practically useless for most cases, corporations slash salaries and benefits and outsource, most jobs will be extreme low level bullshit

Most of my peers went to college and got 4-year degrees and they all make bank. Granted, most of them are accountants, CEO's, CFO's, investment bankers, investment advisors, etc. Some are big corporate, some of micro-mom-and-pop, but they still make bank. But it worked for them. Sales..... totally agree. For some odd reason, they want you to have a 4-year degree. It's odd, though, as most of the best sales people I know never graduated from college. And the ones that are succesful and did get a 4-year degree, studied something basic, like sociology or even just general education.
 
I've been wondering the same thing, HCP. My wife and I have 4 year degrees, but I don't know if I'll recommend my boys go that route. I'd love to see one of them become an entrepreneur, which is really about hard work and hustle and paying attention to what people want to buy. Either work on your own dreams or get paid to work on somebody else's. You have a lot more satisfaction and control working on your own dreams, and perhaps even better job security.

The marketing classes I had in college haven't really helped at all. Although the ad design/writing classes did. It's impossible to predict what jobs my boys will have available to them in 18 years when they get out of college (if they go that route).

*shrug* I guess I'll tell them that they should do something they can really devote themselves to. You can succeed without that sense of devotion, but it's a lot harder and a lot less fun.
 
HCP, if you're really looking at what could help your kids out most, look into if your district has a Running Start program. I don't know what it is in Portland, but at my old HS you go to Community College for half of your JR and SR year (and I think it's even subsidized)--so instead of taking Calc your senior year, you take Calc 101 at the community college. Same for Chemistry, Physics, English, etc. Two of my friends actually got their AA degree before they walked at their HS graduation (by a couple of days).

This is basically what I did. I finished High School at PCC. I transferred to PSU as a Junior.... unfortunately I'd say at least half the credits I transferred were wasted and I still ended spending a lot more time at PSU than I would have liked.
 
Wow! That program sounds great. My wife has a Marketing and Business degree from PSU. It was amazing that after the kids got a little older and she was trying to get back to work, she could find nothing. It blew me away that even with this piece of paper, they didn't care. It got to a point where she was applying for office admin positions and NOT getting called back to interview. I was blown away at how her and her parents spent THAT much money and it meant nothing. Amazingly thru a connection I have, she was able to get a job in the field of her degree, but it took me knowing somebody for it to happen.

Marketing isn't about the degree as much as it is about finding an in.

BTW, when did she go to PSU? Cuz I'm 31, and my 5 years at PSU were not very expensive (I graduated in 4 years, but accounting is actually a 5-year program, and I was also minoring in Criminal Justice). Tuition is like 3-5 times the price now than it was when I graduated.
 
this guy is kind of anti-college. an interesting take to say the least.

http://www.jamesaltucher.com/2010/02/dont-send-your-kids-to-college/

Somehow I went wrong as a father. The other day my two daughters informed me they eventually want to go to college. I said, “No way!” and they attempted to argue with me. I have no problem with them talking back to me but somehow they’ve been brainwashed by society into thinking that college is a good thing for young, intelligent, ambitious young people. Let’s look at the basic facts about higher education.

The average tuition cost is approximately $16,000 per year. Plus assume another $10,000 in living costs, books, etc. $26,000 in total for a complete cost of $104,000 in a 4 year period. Some people choose to go more expensive by going to a private college and some people choose to go a little cheaper by going public but this is an average. Also, a huge assumption is that its just for a 4 year period. According to the Department of Education, only 54% of undergraduates graduate within 6 years. So for the 46% that don’t graduate, or take 10 years to graduate, this is a horrible investment. But lets assume your children are in the brilliant first half who finish within six years (and hopefully within four).

Is it worth it? First, let’s look at it completely from a monetary perspective. Over the course of a lifetime, according to CollegeBoard, a college graduate can be expected to earn $800,000 more than his counterpart that didn’t go to college. $800,000 is a big spread and it could potentially separate the haves from the have-nots. But who has and who doesn’t?

If I took that $104,000 and I chose to invest it in a savings account that had interest income of 5% per year I’d end up with an extra $1.4 million dollars over a 50 year period. A full $600,000 more. That $600,000 is a lot of extra money an 18 year old could look forward to in her retirement. I also think the $800,000 quoted above is too high. Right now most motivated kids who have the interest and resources to go to college think it’s the only way to go if they want a good job. If those same kids decided to not go to college my guess is they would quickly close the gap on that $800,000 spread.

There are other factors as well. I won’t be spending $104,000 per child when my children, ages 10 and 7, decide to go to college. College costs have historically gone up much faster than inflation. Since 1978, cost of living has gone up three-fold. Medical costs, much to the horror of everyone in Congress, has gone up six-fold. And college education has gone up a whopping tenfold. This is beyond the housing bubble, the stock market bubble, any bubble you can think of.

So how can people afford college? Well, how has the US consumer afforded anything? They borrow it, of course. The average student now graduates with a $23,000 debt burden. Up from $13,000 12 years ago. Last year, student borrowings totaled $75 billion, up 25% from the year before. If students go on to graduate degrees such as law degrees they can see their debt burden soar to $200,000 or more. And the easy borrowing convinces colleges that they can raise prices even more.
 
Most of my peers went to college and got 4-year degrees and they all make bank. Granted, most of them are accountants, CEO's, CFO's, investment bankers, investment advisors, etc. Some are big corporate, some of micro-mom-and-pop, but they still make bank. But it worked for them. Sales..... totally agree. For some odd reason, they want you to have a 4-year degree. It's odd, though, as most of the best sales people I know never graduated from college. And the ones that are succesful and did get a 4-year degree, studied something basic, like sociology or even just general education.

Yeah, well all my friends are internet millionaires. :MARIS61:
 
Marketing isn't about the degree as much as it is about finding an in.

BTW, when did she go to PSU? Cuz I'm 31, and my 5 years at PSU were not very expensive (I graduated in 4 years, but accounting is actually a 5-year program, and I was also minoring in Criminal Justice). Tuition is like 3-5 times the price now than it was when I graduated.

The commodification of college. They bend us over on books, parking, and tuition. It's all about money, and not at all about education.
 

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