4000 hits questionable

[Rick2583]

If they're making a big think about Ichiro joining Cobb & Rose as the only players to reach that plateau then that means they're counting his hits in Japan right? But if they're counting his hits in Japan then he can't very well be considered a rookie when he started playing here. So how could he win the rookie of the year?

And if he is considered a rookie then he only has 2,723 hits not 4000.

Don't get me wrong, any way its a helleva accomplishment but was he a rookie when he won the ROY or was he a veteran with over 1,200 hits?

 

[yankeesince59]

...rick, lemme guess, you're bored and waiting on the game to start, right?

 

[Rick2583]

...rick, lemme guess, you're bored and waiting on the game to start, right?

Extremely, but it's still valid points. BTW: How & where do you get the icons? And remember, even after all these years you're STILL dealing with a computer illiterate.

 

[mrmel29]

Extremely, but it's still valid points. BTW: How & where do you get the icons? And remember, even after all these years you're STILL dealing with a computer illiterate.

I'm interested too and also suck on the computer. Too bad a bunch couldn't be added somehow on site for the posting public to use. LOL

 

[yankeesince59]

...lol...before you "post a quick reply", click "go advanced"...there are a few smilies but if you click "more" you'll find a hundred or so more.

...lemme know if I can help.

 

[Rick2583]

okay did I do it?

 

[yankeesince59]

...yup, but if you look below that group of smilies on the right hand side of the post box, you'll see a red text that says "[more]"...click that and you'll about 200 more to choose from.

 

[Rick2583]

...yup, but if you look below that group of smilies on the right hand side of the post box, you'll see a red text that says "[more]"...click that and you'll about 200 more to choose from.

You know for an old fart.......................you're okay. Thanks.

 

[yankeesince59]

...thanx, I'm actually a cupcake and a pushover. The dickhead persona I portray on here is just an act so that people won't try take advantage of me.

 

[Majorball]

You know for an old fart.......................you're okay. Thanks.

We prefer to call it a seasoned vet...

 

[Rick2583]

We prefer to call it a seasoned vet...

So are you saying that.....................he's been doing animals for a long time.

 

[Rick2583]

I need to add this to the OP, If people are going to count Ichiro's time with the Japan team to his hit total then you need to add the hit totals to players who played for the negro league. Robinson, Aaron, Doby etc.

 

[blgridesagain]

Let me try and simplify it... he is undoubtedly a great player- he may or may not have achieved that number if he played his entire career in MLB......

He doesn't have 4000 hits in MLB....


IT IS WHAT IT IS.


Any questions? comments?


Thank you very much.

 

[yankeesince59]

...^^^ yeah, I have one. Who the hell said he has "4000 hits in MLB"?

 

[yankeesince59]

I need to add this to the OP, If people are going to count Ichiro's time with the Japan team to his hit total then you need to add the hit totals to players who played for the negro league. Robinson, Aaron, Doby etc.

...rick, sorry, but Aaron had only 41 hits in the negro leagues, add them if you want but it still doesn't get him to 4000 hits not even close....Doby only had 1515 hits in his MLB career which began when he was only 23 years old and after he had served in the military during WWII, so I doubt he even came close to 2000 hits if you added them all together... Jackie Robinson's negro league career consisted of only 47 game and only 63 hits which when added to his 1518 hits in the majors only gives him a grand total of 1581 hits...sorry, but again that doesn't even get him to 2000 hits, much less 4000.

 

[Rick2583]

...^^^ yeah, I have one. Who the hell said he has "4000 hits in MLB"?

They keep saying that Ichiro has joined Pete Rose & Ty Cobb as the only players with 4000 hits. I'm adding that if you include the hits he got in the negro league I believe Hank Aaron also has 4000 hits.

 

[yankeesince59]

They keep saying that Ichiro has joined Pete Rose & Ty Cobb as the only players with 4000 hits. I'm adding that if you include the hits he got in the negro league I believe Hank Aaron also has 4000 hits.

...no, again, sorry, but Aaron does not have 4000 hits...he only had 41 negro league hits...(read my above post).

...and NO ONE has said that Ichiro has "4000 MLB hits". (I was responding to blg)

 

[blgridesagain]

...^^^ yeah, I have one. Who the hell said he has "4000 hits in MLB"?
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lmao.....I hear ya, very good... lol

I was referring to "them" putting him along side Rose and Cobb... (4000 hit club)
You're not going to ask me who exactly is "them" are you? lol

 

[yankeesince59]

^^^ would it make a fucking difference?

 

[BigDaddyAl1973]

no matter where he got them, it is still an accomplishment...they celebrated Crash Davis for most career minor league home runs didnt they LMFAO

 

[Rick2583]

...rick, sorry, but Aaron had only 41 hits in the negro leagues, add them if you want but it still doesn't get him to 4000 hits not even close....Doby only had 1515 hits in his MLB career which began when he was only 23 years old and after he had served in the military during WWII, so I doubt he even came close to 2000 hits if you added them all together... Jackie Robinson's negro league career consisted of only 47 game and only 63 hits which when added to his 1518 hits in the majors only gives him a grand total of 1581 hits...sorry, but again that doesn't even get him to 2000 hits, much less 4000.

Thanks for finding the actual numbers. My point is that if you're going to include Ichiro's Japan numbers to his hit total to the point where your putting him in the same company with Rose & Cobb, then you have to add negro league numbers to players careers. And if Yu Darvish reachers 4000 Ks in his MLB career & he had over over 1000 Ks while playing in asia are they going to say he & Ryan are the only pitchers to reach 5000 strike outs? Is Sadaharra Oh the real HR champ?

My apologies if it sounds like I'm beating this to death, Just trying make a point. I now return you to your regularly scheduled program.

 

[yankeesince59]

^^^rick, first off, you're talking hypotheticals about Darvish. And besides, he'll never get to 4000 Ks in MLB...he's 27 years old, how long do you think he can pitch? He'd have to average 200 Ks a year for the next 18 years...do you think there's any way he'll pitch effectively till he's 45 years old?

...and as far as Sadaharu Oh goes, last time I checked, he never played MLB at all.

 

[PtldPlatypus]

...and as far as Sadaharu Oh goes, last time I checked, he never played MLB at all.

If Japanese league hits are considered equivalent to MLB hits, then whether or not Oh played in MLB is irrelevant.

BTW, Stan the man had 371 minor league hits in addition to his 3630 MLB hits. Sounds like 4001 hits as a professional to me. Factoring in his 553 minor league hits, Jeter's at 3861. Only 139 more needed for 4000!!

 

[yankeesince59]

...lol...for about the 3rd time, who the hell said Japanese baseball numbers "are considered equivalent to MLB hits"?:

...but it is funny how you and others are somehow confusing MLB stats with pro Baseball career stats and now, even Minor league stats?...wow.

 

[Rick2583]

^^^rick, first off, you're talking hypotheticals about Darvish. And besides, he'll never get to 4000 Ks in MLB...he's 27 years old, how long do you think he can pitch? He'd have to average 200 Ks a year for the next 18 years...do you think there's any way he'll pitch effectively till he's 45 years old?

...and as far as Sadaharu Oh goes, last time I checked, he never played MLB at all.

I was using Darvish just as an example not as something he'd actually be able to accomplish. The same way I'd use Oh as an example if he hit only 10 major league HRs. Would you combine the two.

Since my point seems to be traveling like a 600 foot HR. I'll end this topic just by saying that sportscasters & announcers should not be putting Ichiro's accomplishments (as great as they are) in the same company with Rose & Cobb since they don't actually apply to MLB statistics. End of story.

 

[yankeesince59]

...rick, it's called rhetoric, that's what sportscasters and announcers do...it stimulates conversation.

...when Ichiro's career is over he won't have some asterisk or something like that attached to his MLB hits that will also include the hits he compiled while in Japan. All some people are saying is that when you consider both MLB and Japan, the guy has had an incredible career, that's all.

...since he came to the US to play MLB in 2001, he has about 350 more hits that anyone else during that time...he also had 10 consecutive 200 hit seasons...no one else can claim that.

 

[PtldPlatypus]

...lol...for about the 3rd time, who the hell said Japanese baseball numbers "are considered equivalent to MLB hits"?:

Anyone touting Ichiro's 4000 as comparable to Rose/Cobb's 4000 is implying equivalency. That's the whole basis for this thread, isn't it?

...but it is funny how you and others are somehow confusing MLB stats with pro Baseball career stats and now, even Minor league stats?...wow.

There's no confusion here. It's an intentional invalid conflation for the purpose of illustrating a point. IF Japan league stats are not functionally equivalent to MLB stats, then it stands to reason that they are more closely comparable to minor league stats, thus making Ichiro's current 4,001 approximately equal to Musial's 4,001.

It's really not that difficult to understand.

 

[yankeesince59]

PtldPlatypus;3089718]

Anyone touting Ichiro's 4000 as comparable to Rose/Cobb's 4000 is implying equivalency. That's the whole basis for this thread, isn't it?

...uhhh, no. There's a difference between "implying" and "inferring"...and yeah, I think you are confusing this and building a stick man argument.
...with the exception of people in this thread, no one is using Japanese #s or minor league numbers and counting them as towards MLB numbers. The only statements I've read elsewhere and on TV, are by reporters who are pointing to Ichiro's PRO CAREER numbers...nothing more, nothing less.

There's no confusion here. It's an intentional invalid conflation for the purpose of illustrating a point. IF Japan league stats are not functionally equivalent to MLB stats, then it stands to reason that they are more closely comparable to minor league stats, thus making Ichiro's current 4,001 approximately equal to Musial's 4,001.

...if you want to interject Stan's minor league numbers, fine, that's up to you...doesn't make it any less humorous.