9th circuit strikes down gay marriage ban

[Eastoff]

I am also in favor of the state getting out of the marriage license game, just a cheap money grab. Do away with all tax breaks for marriage too. Then everyone can get married to whomever they want and it won't fucking matter at all to anyone ever.

Yeah. Just have marriage be some random ass title that don't mean shit. Ain't no one needed to be married and get all these tax breaks and shit. fuck that son. And tax breaks to have kids.

Tax breaks for marriage, uh no. Tax breaks for having kids, yes.

 

[BLAZINGGIANTS]

Tax breaks for marriage, uh no. Tax breaks for having kids, yes.

Yeah. When you have kids, you're more than making up for lost tax revenue that parents are given as tax credits and deductions. Your household consumes far more with children, which mean children ultimately fuel the economy in greater excess than a household without children.

In other words, buying Baby Jordans and other shit does as much to help the economy as paying taxes. And I, personally, get the same return. :MARIS61:


As for the marriage benefits....... actually, for many, being married provides little to no tax benefit. It can change any given year with a few minor tweaks, but google "marriage penalty taxes" and learn the ins and outs.

 

[EL PRESIDENTE]

Tax breaks for marriage, uh no. Tax breaks for having kids, yes.

Fuck that you get free school, yo.

 

[BLAZINGGIANTS]

Right on Blazin! There is the religious and the civil definition, No sense in changing the traditional
definitions when allowing civil Unions would handle the legal and not harm the religious (or at least their can get over it). However, it appears the Gay community is not happy with this answer, they want to change the meaning of Marriage and to hell with anyone else and their beliefs. Most Christians and other religious people do not have civil marriages because they want the sanctification in their religion. It doesn't appear the Gays care one little bit about this aspect of the meaning of the word, as they would abolish that meaning.

In the end, I don't think people care whether it's called "marriage" or "shit-tied" or "civil union". I think everyone just wants equal rights. I personally don't like to discriminate, but I'd be okay with churches keeping their definition of marriage as it is and making "marriage". I have no clue where the term originated, and I'm not saying the term cannot evolve, but I'm okay with it staying from whence it came. There's nothing wrong with that. But what I take issue with is creating a category that can't apply to all Americans (i.e. "marriage" before the ban was overturned) and then offering people that fit into the defined category (married people) different rights/benefits.

 

[BLAZINGGIANTS]

Fuck that you get free school, yo.

Not if you some rich beeyotch in the 'burbs and yo 'rents pay the bill dollaz for you to attend some crackaz-ass'd white-bred Catholic private skool.

But you knew that, right, playa?

 

[Denny Crane]

I am also in favor of the state getting out of the marriage license game, just a cheap money grab. Do away with all tax breaks for marriage too. Then everyone can get married to whomever they want and it won't fucking matter at all to anyone ever.

When the two decide to split, who gets the kids ? Visitation rights? Split of accumulated assets?

What about medical decisions if the other us incapable of deciding?

 

[BLAZINGGIANTS]

When the two decide to split, who gets the kids ? Visitation rights? Split of accumulated assets?

What about medical decisions if the other us incapable of deciding?

Clearly, the man should always receive the children and all assets.

 

[3RA1N1AC]

When the two decide to split, who gets the kids ? Visitation rights? Split of accumulated assets?

What about medical decisions if the other us incapable of deciding?

You know that non married people have kids too right?

 

[EL PRESIDENTE]

Not if you some rich beeyotch in the 'burbs and yo 'rents pay the bill dollaz for you to attend some crackaz-ass'd white-bred Catholic private skool.

But you knew that, right, playa?

:MARIS61:

 

[Stevenson]

I was with some guys last night and one guy said, "I don't get how one judge can overrule the will of the entire state of Oregon."

It amazed me that something as basic as three branches of government and checks and balances was a foreign concept to him, but I think that a lot of people hold that sentiment.

 

[MarAzul]

In the end, I don't think people care whether it's called "marriage" or "shit-tied" or "civil union". I think everyone just wants equal rights. I personally don't like to discriminate, but I'd be okay with churches keeping their definition of marriage as it is and making "marriage". I have no clue where the term originated, and I'm not saying the term cannot evolve, but I'm okay with it staying from whence it came. There's nothing wrong with that. But what I take issue with is creating a category that can't apply to all Americans (i.e. "marriage" before the ban was overturned) and then offering people that fit into the defined category (married people) different rights/benefits.

Actually there was no ban that was overturned. The Oregon Constitution define Marriage as a Man and a Woman. That definition the voter put in the Oregon Constitution is being over turned. That ruling is a gay point of view being forced on the rest of the world by a gay judge
and a lizbian Attorney General that abdicated her responsibility to the people of the State.

 

[BLAZINGGIANTS]

Actually there was no ban that was overturned. The Oregon Constitution define Marriage as a Man and a Woman. That definition the voter put in the Oregon Constitution is being over turned. That ruling is a gay point of view being forced on the rest of the world by a gay judge
and a lizbian Attorney General that abdicated her responsibility to the people of the State.

Cool. I'm not arguing semanctics here. I'm arguing the overall point. Which is why we so often struggle to come to resolution. People nitpick the little shit and forget the overall point.

 

[BLAZINGGIANTS]

:MARIS61:

Too close to home? :MARIS61:

 

[EL PRESIDENTE]

Hey, I had to play Tennis against those subsidized schools dammit.

 

[3RA1N1AC]

Table tennis? :MARIS61:

 

[BLAZINGGIANTS]

Hey, I had to play Tennis against those subsidized schools dammit.

So did I. Rocked everyone.

Beer. Pong. Champion.

Bitches.

 

[crandc]

Blazing Giants, it does matter. Because if some people have marriage, with all the ceremony and celebration and legal rights, and others have civil unions, with maybe some rights, you don't have equality. I know same sex couples who had registered civil unions/domestic partnerships and it had all the excitement of renewing their driver's license. Just a bureaucratic form. But these same couples broke into tears when they were married.

Many same sex couples have religious, Christian or otherwise, marriage ceremonies. Only someone as ignorant as SlyPokerDog would think you are either gay or Christian but never both.

Marriage is both a legal right and, if desired, a religious rite. The state issues marriage licenses, which entitle the holder to all legal rights and responsibilities. Clergy are empowered to perform the ceremony for those who want a religious blessing; the marriage is legal without it but the couple may not be married in their faith otherwise. No clergy are required to perform any ceremony they don't approve of. No one can force a Catholic priest to marry a divorced person or an Orthodox rabbi to marry a Jew to a gentile. The decisions are about what the state honors, the legal right.

Yep, checks and balances, funny how those who often claim to be Constitution lovers are unaware of the third branch of government. Just like those who claim Christianity are so often unaware of things like loving thy neighbor and those without sin casting the first stone.

What a miserable life SlyPokerDog must have with such a mean, petty little soul. To be outraged at others' joyful celebrations. Humans are social animals. We evolved as group living primates; as such, empathy is an adaptive value. It may sound hokey to say "smile and the world smiles with you" but in fact that is true; we are biologically adapted to respond in kind to others' joy and sorrow. Sadly, social prejudice can overcome this adaptation, hence you have the supporters of Prop H8 who cheered when anguished couples wept over their canceled weddings and people like MarAzul who grouse when others celebrate. How sad.

 

[PapaG]

I was with some guys last night and one guy said, "I don't get how one judge can overrule the will of the entire state of Oregon."

It amazed me that something as basic as three branches of government and checks and balances was a foreign concept to him, but I think that a lot of people hold that sentiment.

Of the three federal branches, which branch of government are state constitutions/rights covered under?

 

[PapaG]

What a miserable life SlyPokerDog must have with such a mean, petty little soul. To be outraged at others' joyful celebrations. Humans are social animals. We evolved as group living primates; as such, empathy is an adaptive value. It may sound hokey to say "smile and the world smiles with you" but in fact that is true; we are biologically adapted to respond in kind to others' joy and sorrow. Sadly, social prejudice can overcome this adaptation, hence you have the supporters of Prop H8 who cheered when anguished couples wept over their canceled weddings and people like MarAzul who grouse when others celebrate. How sad.

Everything in your life seems related to being aggrieved one way or the other, and personally attacking those who disagree with you on any matter.

 

[crandc]

Pennsylvania!

Judge Jones:

In future generations, the label same-sex marriage will be abandoned, to be replaced simply by marriage," Judge John Jones concluded in the Pennsylvania case. "We are a better people than what these laws represent, and it is time to discard them into the ash heap of history."

The judge who struck down the anti equality law was nominated by George W. Bush with the support of Rick Santorum. Obviously a gay plot.

 

[BLAZINGGIANTS]

Blazing Giants, it does matter. Because if some people have marriage, with all the ceremony and celebration and legal rights, and others have civil unions, with maybe some rights, you don't have equality. I know same sex couples who had registered civil unions/domestic partnerships and it had all the excitement of renewing their driver's license. Just a bureaucratic form. But these same couples broke into tears when they were married.

Many same sex couples have religious, Christian or otherwise, marriage ceremonies. Only someone as ignorant as MarAzul would think you are either gay or Christian but never both.

Marriage is both a legal right and, if desired, a religious rite. The state issues marriage licenses, which entitle the holder to all legal rights and responsibilities. Clergy are empowered to perform the ceremony for those who want a religious blessing; the marriage is legal without it but the couple may not be married in their faith otherwise. No clergy are required to perform any ceremony they don't approve of. No one can force a Catholic priest to marry a divorced person or an Orthodox rabbi to marry a Jew to a gentile. The decisions are about what the state honors, the legal right.

Yep, checks and balances, funny how those who often claim to be Constitution lovers are unaware of the third branch of government. Just like those who claim Christianity are so often unaware of things like loving thy neighbor and those without sin casting the first stone.

What a miserable life MarAzul must have with such a mean, petty little soul. To be outraged at others' joyful celebrations. Humans are social animals. We evolved as group living primates; as such, empathy is an adaptive value. It may sound hokey to say "smile and the world smiles with you" but in fact that is true; we are biologically adapted to respond in kind to others' joy and sorrow. Sadly, social prejudice can overcome this adaptation, hence you have the supporters of Prop H8 who cheered when anguished couples wept over their canceled weddings and people like MarAzul who grouse when others celebrate. How sad.

That's where we part. Again, I acknowledge I don't know where "marriage" originated. But if it's a religious thing, it should stay a religious thing. I'm really not quite sure if you read my post, or you'd have noticed that I have an issue with people having different rights. As long as the legal rights and benefits remain the same for everyone, I don't really care what the fuck it's called. But we also have a little thing called separation of church and state. So, both sides deserve so much protection. As long as basic human rights and benefits are given to all, the rest really doesn't matter. I mean, I pretty clearly said as long as everyone has the same rights....

"Marriage" to me is just a word. I know unmarried couples that live "married" if you want to call it that. But they're better and more committed to one another than other "married" couples. They don't have the legal rights and benefits "married" people do because they aren't legally "attached", "married", whatever you want to call it. I know plenty of people that make a mockery of being "married". What ultimately matters to me, is that if two people want to commit, great. They should be able to do that, and ultimately, gay couples have been able to make commitments for quite some time now. Commitment is in the heart and head. And if couples want to share benefits (health insurance, social security, file taxes jointly, etc, etc, etc), that's great too, they should be able to do that. But to me, that doesn't make you "married". If that's what you view as a marriage, I can see why people drop the "ball-and-chain" joke.

 

[BLAZINGGIANTS]

Pennsylvania!

Judge Jones:



The judge who struck down the anti equality law was nominated by George W. Bush with the support of Rick Santorum. Obviously a gay plot.

I've said similar things on this board several times.

Oh, no? Am I now gay? Was I gay all along and I'm just now realizing this? :MARIS61:

 

[Denny Crane]

You know that non married people have kids too right?

You sorta answered just one of my four questions. There are many more questions that are solved by govt recognition of marriage.

 

[Denny Crane]

Pennsylvania!

Judge Jones:



The judge who struck down the anti equality law was nominated by George W. Bush with the support of Rick Santorum. Obviously a gay plot.

Will you gays please stop plotting already?

;-)

 

[BLAZINGGIANTS]

Will you gays please stop plotting already?

;-)

I heard the gays run al-Qaeda. :MARIS61:

And the NBA officials.

 

[MarAzul]

Blazing Giants, it does matter. Because if some people have marriage, with all the ceremony and celebration and legal rights, and others have civil unions, with maybe some rights, you don't have equality. I know same sex couples who had registered civil unions/domestic partnerships and it had all the excitement of renewing their driver's license. Just a bureaucratic form. But these same couples broke into tears when they were married.

Many same sex couples have religious, Christian or otherwise, marriage ceremonies. Only someone as ignorant as SlyPokerDog would think you are either gay or Christian but never both.

Marriage is both a legal right and, if desired, a religious rite. The state issues marriage licenses, which entitle the holder to all legal rights and responsibilities. Clergy are empowered to perform the ceremony for those who want a religious blessing; the marriage is legal without it but the couple may not be married in their faith otherwise. No clergy are required to perform any ceremony they don't approve of. No one can force a Catholic priest to marry a divorced person or an Orthodox rabbi to marry a Jew to a gentile. The decisions are about what the state honors, the legal right.

Yep, checks and balances, funny how those who often claim to be Constitution lovers are unaware of the third branch of government. Just like those who claim Christianity are so often unaware of things like loving thy neighbor and those without sin casting the first stone.

What a miserable life SlyPokerDog must have with such a mean, petty little soul. To be outraged at others' joyful celebrations. Humans are social animals. We evolved as group living primates; as such, empathy is an adaptive value. It may sound hokey to say "smile and the world smiles with you" but in fact that is true; we are biologically adapted to respond in kind to others' joy and sorrow. Sadly, social prejudice can overcome this adaptation, hence you have the supporters of Prop H8 who cheered when anguished couples wept over their canceled weddings and people like MarAzul who grouse when others celebrate. How sad.

ummm, I don't think she is bitching about Slypokerdog.

 

[santeesioux]

Pennsylvania!

Judge Jones:



The judge who struck down the anti equality law was nominated by George W. Bush with the support of Rick Santorum. Obviously a gay plot.

It's like the Manchurian Candidate.

 

[bodyman5000 and 1]

I just find it sad that there are a billion issues our country has to face head on if we want to prosper in the future and people still get so hot about gay marriage. That does not hurt me in any fucking way. Gay people will be gay whether some like it or not.

To me it is like worrying that your upstairs window has a sticky lock while ignoring that your garage door is stuck open.

 

[3RA1N1AC]

its a nice issue for the parties to drive sheeple to the polls with, to distract them about the fact that they are so similar on pretty much every other issue

 

[bodyman5000 and 1]

its a nice issue for the parties to drive sheeple to the polls with, to distract them about the fact that they are so similar on pretty much every other issue

It is sad. Fuck, even my drive time sports guys couldn't shut up about the music awards and Michael Jackson hologram. People get distracted so easily.