9th circuit strikes down gay marriage ban

[MarAzul]

It is rather on odd thing when you consider the issue just a little.

Marriage as and institution was created along time ago in several different dispersed societies. A common answer arising from multiple disconnected societies as solution to a shared problem.
They could not continue to allow women to produce children with no one in particular responsible for providing for the children. Marriage became the common answer with fathers responsible
for providing for the well being of their children. Society required this joining and religions codified it. It has been good for society, it cause the development of the family and that has been good for society.

Gay people, formerly known as homosexuals where alway with us, but free of this requirement. Society ask nothing of them and why should they, they would produce no burdens on society.
Now Gay people want the same ceremony given to them by the society that requires it for the heterosexual members.
Go figure!! The free want the shackle. But it seems to me that it just makes a mockery of the institution that has served society well for thousands of years.

 

[crandc]

BlazingGiants I'm still not sure of your point.

Marriage actually originated as a property arrangment. It originally only applied to upper classes and was a way to cement alliances between clans/monarchs etc. and to secure inheritance. Also for a man to be sure that the children to whom he passed on his title and property were biologically his by controlling female sexuality.

Obviously marriage has evolved. Like all social institutions. Which is why it makes me laugh when people say gay couples are trying to change the definition of marriage, when it's happened so many times already.

As for your religious freedom statement, I also believe in religious freedom and no clergy person should be required to perform a marriage against his/her beliefs. No one is arguing otherwise. As I said, a Catholic priest is not required to marry a divorced person nor is an Orthodox rabbi required to perform a mixed marraige. These legal changes in marriage refer to state-issued licenses and their subequent rights/responsibilities. But religious freedom goes both ways. In North Carolina the United Church of Christ is a plaintiff in the suit challenging straight-only marriage, saying they believe in equality and are being denied their religious freedom to marry same sex couples.

Also agree that same sex couples marrrying is hardly the biggest problem in the world today; in fact, not a problem at all unless someone has a fundamental belief that we are inferior human beings unfit for full participation in society.

 

[bodyman5000 and 1]

BlazingGiants I'm still not sure of your point.

Marriage actually originated as a property arrangment. It originally only applied to upper classes and was a way to cement alliances between clans/monarchs etc. and to secure inheritance. Also for a man to be sure that the children to whom he passed on his title and property were biologically his by controlling female sexuality.

Obviously marriage has evolved. Like all social institutions. Which is why it makes me laugh when people say gay couples are trying to change the definition of marriage, when it's happened so many times already.

As for your religious freedom statement, I also believe in religious freedom and no clergy person should be required to perform a marriage against his/her beliefs. No one is arguing otherwise. As I said, a Catholic priest is not required to marry a divorced person nor is an Orthodox rabbi required to perform a mixed marraige. These legal changes in marriage refer to state-issued licenses and their subequent rights/responsibilities. But religious freedom goes both ways. In North Carolina the United Church of Christ is a plaintiff in the suit challenging straight-only marriage, saying they believe in equality and are being denied their religious freedom to marry same sex couples.

Also agree that same sex couples marrrying is hardly the biggest problem in the world today; in fact, not a problem at all unless someone has a fundamental belief that we are inferior human beings unfit for full participation in society.

For some reason without actively trying or having any direct influence I grew up thinking it was wrong to be gay. I can't specifically remember any single person who taught me it was bad. I knew I liked girls before kindergarten.

Is being fat or deaf or short or ugly a crime against humanity? Nope, neither is being gay.

Lucky for HCP.

I did just realize I went to church as a kid. Might have picked it up there.

Oh well, to anyone who thinks gay people are inferior or don't deserve equal rights....FUCK YOU!!

 

[crandc]

For that matter, bodyman, being straight is not a crime against humanity!

See how we can look at things from opposite sides?

 

[SlyPokerDog]

When I 8 or 9 yrs old I was playing in my room listening to this little AM radio one night. I had 62AM KGW on. The DJ came on and said the 10th caller wins tickets to some concert coming up. I had tried to win things on the radio before and raced downstairs and called the station. Ring...ring... "You're the 10th caller and you just won 2 tickets to the Village People concert!" Being the nice kid that I was I asked for an extra ticket so I could bring both of my parents. Much laughter from the DJ... agrees to give me 3 tickets. Asks my name and age, and then asked me to put an adult on the phone so I handed it to my very confused mother. Anyway, Craig Walker did the morning show on KGW and for the next week leading up to the show my request for an extra ticket was rebroadcast many times.

Night of the concert both my parents and I went to the Village People concert. It was my first rock concert and it was killer! I learned how to spell out Y.M.C.A with my arms and for the encore the had this giant battleship looking thing on the stage and did In the Navy. Anyway, after the show on the drive home my parents asked how I liked the show and I asked them about some of the things I saw at the show. I can't remember exactly what I asked, something about some of the people in the crowd but I remember my parents explaining to me what homosexuality is.

TLDR: I learned about homosexuality at a Village People concert and it was really cool.

 

[crandc]

Pretty funny, Dog.

I also grew up thinking it was wrong to be gay. The only images we ever saw were evil, child molesting gay men and barren bitter ugly lesbians. So when I was very young I told myself that of course I was not an evil lezzy, after all, doesn't every girl want to kiss other girls? Doesn't every girl think about how soft another girl's skin is? Hell, I even had a boyfriend for a time (who later came out, gaydar!) It was not until Stonewall and the first women's liberation marches that I saw and heard nice normal looking smiling happy women of every size, shape and color who said yes, I'm gay. And I read about how they felt and how they came out and thought, damn, yes, those were my feelings and that's what I am...

and it is just fine!

 

[MarAzul]

When I 8 or 9 yrs old I was playing in my room listening to this little AM radio one night. I had 62AM KGW on. The DJ came on and said the 10th caller wins tickets to some concert coming up. I had tried to win things on the radio before and raced downstairs and called the station. Ring...ring... "You're the 10th caller and you just won 2 tickets to the Village People concert!" Being the nice kid that I was I asked for an extra ticket so I could bring both of my parents. Much laughter from the DJ... agrees to give me 3 tickets. Asks my name and age, and then asked me to put an adult on the phone so I handed it to my very confused mother. Anyway, Craig Walker did the morning show on KGW and for the next week leading up to the show my request for an extra ticket was rebroadcast many times.

Night of the concert both my parents and I went to the Village People concert. It was my first rock concert and it was killer! I learned how to spell out Y.M.C.A with my arms and for the encore the had this giant battleship looking thing on the stage and did In the Navy. Anyway, after the show on the drive home my parents asked how I liked the show and I asked them about some of the things I saw at the show. I can't remember exactly what I asked, something about some of the people in the crowd but I remember my parents explaining to me what homosexuality is.

TLDR: I learned about homosexuality at a Village People concert and it was really cool.

I never knew it had anything to do with homosexuality until last week. Then I guess I don't quite get the reference or don't care. I liked the song when it was a hit, they played it a lot in some of the places we spent the evenings in Cabo San Lucas. We were there, the whole family
living on a sail boat at that time. Y-M-C-A.

 

[PapaG]

Pretty funny, Dog.

I also grew up thinking it was wrong to be gay. The only images we ever saw were evil, child molesting gay men and barren bitter ugly lesbians. So when I was very young I told myself that of course I was not an evil lezzy, after all, doesn't every girl want to kiss other girls? Doesn't every girl think about how soft another girl's skin is? Hell, I even had a boyfriend for a time (who later came out, gaydar!) It was not until Stonewall and the first women's liberation marches that I saw and heard nice normal looking smiling happy women of every size, shape and color who said yes, I'm gay. And I read about how they felt and how they came out and thought, damn, yes, those were my feelings and that's what I am...

and it is just fine!

Zzzzzzzzz

 

[SlyPokerDog]

Zzzzzzzzz

Ouch, that's mean.

 

[crandc]

Ouch, that's mean.

So what else is new?

 

[Denny Crane]

I never knew it had anything to do with homosexuality until last week. Then I guess I don't quite get the reference or don't care. I liked the song when it was a hit, they played it a lot in some of the places we spent the evenings in Cabo San Lucas. We were there, the whole family
living on a sail boat at that time. Y-M-C-A.

[video=youtube;SbQziUhykT8]

 

[bodyman5000 and 1]

For that matter, bodyman, being straight is not a crime against humanity!

See how we can look at things from opposite sides?

I would get irritated when it seemed like you would look for a reason to take offense at a slight that none of us meant or at least realized. That said, I realize that someone who is constantly looked down on for something they just ARE might be a bit gun shy or sensitive or whatever.

I really think technology is a big aid to the future generations if they use it right. People who are gay or whatever don't have to feel alone or be afraid to speak out.

 

[PapaG]

So what else is new?

Your insult of MarAzul definitely wasn't mean, right?

 

[TradeNurkicNow]

Your insult of MarAzul definitely wasn't mean, right?

LONG DRAWN OUT YAWN FOLLOWED BY TAPPING ON WATCH

 

[MarAzul]

LONG DRAWN OUT YAWN FOLLOWED BY TAPPING ON WATCH

Why are you tapping your watch? Some uncontrollable tick?

 

[bodyman5000 and 1]

Why are you tapping your watch? Some uncontrollable tick?

If I know the thinking. Waiting for old bigots to die off????

 

[MarAzul]

If I know the thinking. Waiting for old bigots to die off????

Yeah, then he will have to think for himself. He be fucked.

 

[3RA1N1AC]

Meltdown imminent, seek shelter

 

[bodyman5000 and 1]

Yeah, then he will have to think for himself. He be fucked.

Hahahahahaa, we does that mean? I didn't really know what he meant first....

 

[crandc]

If I know the thinking. Waiting for old bigots to die off????

LOL

 

[MarAzul]

LOL

A Sly gives me the whack! Go figure.

But you my dear, are right on queue.

 

[BLAZINGGIANTS]

 

[crandc]

awwwwwwwwwwwwwwwww

 

[dviss1]

I remember on a Christian website they had a story about a sprinter. His name is Tyson Gay. Well the webpage had an autofilter on it that turned every instance of his last name to the word "Homosexual". Here is the story here.

Why is it that Christians want to drill down on that particular word so much? Why is it that they seem to want us to concentrate on their "deviant behavior"? Well I got something for the Christians (speaking from the context of someone who was raised Southern Baptist, went to church 3x per week, was on the Usher Board, Jr Choir, went to Vacation Bible School every Summer, Sunday school every Sunday, and won bible drills in front of the whole church of 250+):

1 John 4:8 (KJV)
8 He that loveth not knoweth not God; for God is love.

Well if God is love, how come we are dismissing the love that gays have for each other? How come that love doesn't count?
If you believe that God is love, then who created the love that the 2 gay people have for each other?

It seems to me that Christians are too concentrated on Gay sex. What does that say about them then?

 

[crandc]

I remember that "Homosexual is world's fastest man".

Homosexual sounds like a clinical condition. Gay sounds, well, happy.
Interestingly, actual research has shown non gay folks respond more positively to "gay" than to "homosexual". Which is why bigots say "homosexual".

 

[bodyman5000 and 1]

I remember that "Homosexual is world's fastest man".

Homosexual sounds like a clinical condition. Gay sounds, well, happy.
Interestingly, actual research has shown non gay folks respond more positively to "gay" than to "homosexual". Which is why bigots say "homosexual".

I would think they say homo more often. I used to say things like "Fuck off homo"........

Not "Fuck off homosexual"

Now, I try not to say it but if someone gets in my face I might still. It wouldn't be because I thought being gay is wrong. No, it would be because I thought it might offend the person I am angry with.

If I was pissed at someone and thought it would hurt their feelings to call them pretty I would do it.

That probably has more to do with me being confrontational than a bigot because my mind grasps the logic that being a certain category doesn't make one less human.

 

[bodyman5000 and 1]

Well, Laker fan is a category. I thought about trying to get a guy at work fired after he wore a Laker shirt to work. It was a close call, the little angel on my shoulder barely beat the devil on the other.

 

[crandc]

So, bodyman, let me get this, er, straight. You would say "fuck off homo" to someone who pissed you off if you thought it would hurt their feelings? Because being compared to a gay person would upset them? But you are not antigay? Am I reading you right?

Would you also say "fuck off kike" or "fuck off n---" to a random person because you thought being compared to a Jew or an African-American would hurt their feelings?

(and what this has to do with marriage equality is getting beyond me)

 

[Eastoff]

So, bodyman, let me get this, er, straight. You would say "fuck off homo" to someone who pissed you off if you thought it would hurt their feelings? Because being compared to a gay person would upset them? But you are not antigay? Am I reading you right?

Would you also say "fuck off kike" or "fuck off n---" to a random person because you thought being compared to a Jew or an African-American would hurt their feelings?

(and what this has to do with marriage equality is getting beyond me)

I'm guessing he's suggesting he would say this only to the people who he is referencing.

 

[crandc]

Back to topic - What will be the last state to legalize marriage equality?

There is some idea of a friendly pool with proceeds going to a pro-equality group. Of course, if the Supremes rule in favor in some pending case then all state barriers fall. Currently 49 states (plus DC and 8 Native nations) have either marriage equality OR pro equality rulings on hold pending appeal OR cases in court. So far no judges have ruled against equality; they just have not been able to find a Consitutional ground for separate and unequal rights for same sex couples.

In other related news, the National Organization for (straight only) Marriage issued a Memorial Day greeting to veterans, thanking them for fighting for straight only marriage. I am not joking. Who knew that all the wars this country fought for for preserving male/female only marriage?

Happy Memorial Day! As we remember the brave men and women who have given the ultimate sacrifice for our freedom, it sad to think how easily these freedoms have been trampled upon by an out-of-control judiciary, derelict politicians, or the mainstream media in the marriage debate.