A good read on Republicans

[julius]

http://www.truth-out.org/goodbye-all-reflections-gop-operative-who-left-cult/1314907779

Points a lot of what some us have been saying. Republicans aren't doing what's best for the country and Democrats are compliant in it and spineless.

But I already know how certain posters will respond. For those willing to take a serious look at the problem (or at least be open to the idea that certain economic groups are treated better than others) the article will be a good read. For those who seem to think it's unions, teachers and people making 60k a year doing "menial" jobs are ruing America I suggest you don't read it.

 

[ABM]

Good read.

I'd still error on the side of lesser-of-two-evils.

 

[julius]

Good read.

I'd still error on the side of lesser-of-two-evils.

I'm not sure the group that takes the wants and needs of those who make millions and billions of dollars over the greater good of the country is necessarily the lesser of two evils though.

Also, I can't tell if you're intentionally saying "error" when you mean err or not, but I chuckled.

 

[ABM]

I'm not sure the group that takes the wants and needs of those who make millions and billions of dollars over the greater good of the country is necessarily the lesser of two evils though.

Also, I can't tell if you're intentionally saying "error" when you mean err or not, but I chuckled.

Yep, error is correct.

I'm probably more of an Independent these days, but I've always been for the least amount of government as "possible". If the people - as a whole - could just step up and do what's right (relatively speaking), we could have just that. Ain't gonna happen, though. That's why we end up getting more and more government - to help do the work of/for the unwilling/incompetent/criminal/illegal.........

 

[BLAZER PROPHET]

Read the article- YAAAAAWN!

Usual crap from the usual suspects. I mean, every left is a socialist who wants to enslave the common people and every righty is a bis business honk who wants to deny people any help so they'll die.

Please.

Both sides have a lot of very good and decent public servants as well as self serving bastards. This is yet another lackie with an axe to grind. I'm sure his kiss & tell book will be coming out soon.

Someone PM me when there's real news afoot.

 

[julius]

Yep, error is correct.

I'm probably more of an Independent these days, but I've always been for the least amount of government as "possible". If the people - as a whole - could just step up and do what's right (relatively speaking), we could have just that. Ain't gonna happen, though. That's why we end up getting more and more government - to help do the work of/for the unwilling/incompetent/criminal/illegal.........

I think we might be seeing things close to the same. I don't see government size as the issue. I see who has an unequal amount of power as the problem.

the super religious, the super conservative, the corrupt and the super rich.

I know people like to say the "liberals" are "ruining America" and have a lot of power, but they aren't and they don't. Who is a big powerful liberal and what have they done that is so bad?

I know "obamacare" is a talking points response, but I think a lot of that is anecdotal PLUS it wasn't really a "liberal" driven policy. AND its odd how the cost of the wars (one of which was totally unnecessary and actually against republican and conservative theory) are much easier for some to swallow then trying to get health care for those who need it.

The programs that people complain about (read: blame on liberals) tend to be smaller costs then the volume of the argument should be. That's not to say there haven't been wasteful or poorly run programs suggested by and passed by more liberal politicians. But they're an easy target to distract people from what really causes government issues.

I think it's similar to seeing someone who constantly buys new cars, on credit, and is continually living on credit debt. Then their younger brother decides he wants to buy something on his credit card and they flip out and act like their brother is being irresponsible and he should handle all his budget issues for him. So he creates a month long budget for him to follow, but it cancels his dish, health insurance, he'll have to start shopping at the discount food store instead of a local store, limiting his trips in his car and stop using his furnace or AC.

Meanwhile, he continues with his top level dish network contract, continues to drive his gas guzzler, shops only at the high end market, drives superfluously, and has his health care provided to him because of his job.

i don't know whats worse, one who claims to be frugal but continues to waste money (and condemns others for wasting money) or the one who wastes money and tries to at least make things better (and does little to nothing to change their spending).

 

[julius]

Read the article- YAAAAAWN!

Usual crap from the usual suspects. I mean, every left is a socialist who wants to enslave the common people and every righty is a bis business honk who wants to deny people any help so they'll die.

Please.

Both sides have a lot of very good and decent public servants as well as self serving bastards. This is yet another lackie with an axe to grind. I'm sure his kiss & tell book will be coming out soon.

Someone PM me when there's real news afoot.

It appeared that you didn't read the article. He wasn't a democrat "lackie", he was a republican. He blamed both sides and accused both of not doing whats best of the country.

But thanks for being one of the ones who actually responded exactly how i thought they would.

 

[BLAZER PROPHET]

It appeared that you didn't read the article. He wasn't a democrat "lackie", he was a republican. He blamed both sides and accused both of not doing whats best of the country.

But thanks for being one of the ones who actually responded exactly how i thought they would.

I skimmed the article. It was caustic and there was nothing new in it. Mostly fiction and opinion. I guess it's just that I seem to read that stuff all the time anymore. It's part of the problem and not the solution. I'd like to see more about what can be done to bring both sides together and trying to solve the real problems we have.

I might also say it was an article I knew a poster like you would post. I guess we're all too predictable.

 

[julius]

I skimmed the article. It was caustic and there was nothing new in it. Mostly fiction and opinion. I guess it's just that I seem to read that stuff all the time anymore. It's part of the problem and not the solution. I'd like to see more about what can be done to bring both sides together and trying to solve the real problems we have.

I might also say it was an article I knew a poster like you would post. I guess we're all too predictable.

try reading it instead of skimming it. it does make a difference.

like I said, you responded exactly as I expected to you (and your response above was exactly what I expected too). Papag is next.

 

[SlyPokerDog]

try reading it instead of skimming it. it does make a difference.

like I said, you responded exactly as I expected to you (and your response above was exactly what I expected too). Papag is next.

Might be a bit of a wait for Papag since he's doing that Warrior Dash today.

 

[ABM]

I think it's similar to seeing someone who constantly buys new cars, on credit, and is continually living on credit debt. Then their younger brother decides he wants to buy something on his credit card and they flip out and act like their brother is being irresponsible and he should handle all his budget issues for him. So he creates a month long budget for him to follow, but it cancels his dish, health insurance, he'll have to start shopping at the discount food store instead of a local store, limiting his trips in his car and stop using his furnace or AC.

Meanwhile, he continues with his top level dish network contract, continues to drive his gas guzzler, shops only at the high end market, drives superfluously, and has his health care provided to him because of his job.

i don't know whats worse, one who claims to be frugal but continues to waste money (and condemns others for wasting money) or the one who wastes money and tries to at least make things better (and does little to nothing to change their spending).

I know people like that........both types. Actually, I shouldn't laugh. It's sad, really.

My 5th grade teacher always said....with freedom(s) comes responsibility. It's a simple adage, but yet so very, very true. Too bad many don't combine the two.

The Washington analogy might be.....with power comes accountability. But, yet, who will guard the guardians(???)

 

[julius]

Might be a bit of a wait for Papag since he's doing that Warrior Dash today.

there's still time.

 

[julius]

I know people like that........both types. Actually, I shouldn't laugh. It's sad, really.

My 5th grade teacher always said....with freedom(s) comes responsibility. It's a simple adage, but yet so very, very true. Too bad many don't combine the two.

The Washington analogy might be.....with power comes accountability. But, yet, who will guard the guardians(???)

the koch brothers (i.e., the top 1% of the income bracket earners)

 

[ABM]

the koch brothers (i.e., the top 1% of the income bracket earners)

Yeah, uh huh.

 

[BLAZER PROPHET]

try reading it instead of skimming it. it does make a difference.

Well, that is always a good point.

No offense, but I do find it amusing when people are wrong about me. I respect you, but you really have no idea.

 

[julius]

Well, that is always a good point.

No offense, but I do find it amusing when people are wrong about me. I respect you, but you really have no idea.

I wasn't wrong about you. I said it helps to read it, you lied and said you read it and I called you out on it and then you admitted you skimmed it and passed judgement on it without actually reading it.

You know, doing exactly what I said you did. Not sure what part of that makes me wrong about you.

 

[ABM]

Well, that is always a good point.

No offense, but I do find it amusing when people are wrong about me. I respect you, but you really have no idea.

Heh, I do.

 

[julius]

Yeah, uh huh.

That's the way, un huh uh huh, I like it...uh huh uh huh!

 

[SlyPokerDog]

Well, that is always a good point.

No offense, but I do find it amusing when people are wrong about me. I respect you, but you really have no idea.

 

[ABM]

That's the way, un huh uh huh, I like it...uh huh uh huh!

More like do a little side-step, make a little money.....get down, tonight!

 

[BLAZER PROPHET]

I wasn't wrong about you. I said it helps to read it, you lied and said you read it and I called you out on it and then you admitted you skimmed it and passed judgement on it without actually reading it.

You know, doing exactly what I said you did. Not sure what part of that makes me wrong about you.

Julius, please don't lie about me. That I do not like. I stated I skimmed the article. And I did. You wrote that I stated I read the article. Let's try and be honest, OK? Thanks, I really would appreciate it.

 

[ABM]

BP doesn't drink alcohol, smoke cigarettes, do drugs, nor stay out late out night.

D'oh! unless he's headed down to the Burger King late-night drive-thru.

 

[julius]

More like do a little side-step, make a little money.....get down, tonight!

:OP

 

[julius]

Julius, please don't lie about me. That I do not like. I stated I skimmed the article. And I did. You wrote that I stated I read the article. Let's try and be honest, OK? Thanks, I really would appreciate it.

I'm basing that on this post.

Read the article- YAAAAAWN!

Usual crap from the usual suspects. I mean, every left is a socialist who wants to enslave the common people and every righty is a bis business honk who wants to deny people any help so they'll die.

Please.

Both sides have a lot of very good and decent public servants as well as self serving bastards. This is yet another lackie with an axe to grind. I'm sure his kiss & tell book will be coming out soon.

Someone PM me when there's real news afoot.

I'm going to give you the benefit of the doubt and admit that you could have meant the "read the article" in a sarcastic tone, but you didn't make it clear.

 

[Denny Crane]

I figured out that both parties are rotten quite a few years ago.

The republicans were in the minority for over 40 years and were the loyal opposition. Reagan got elected, and the democrats became the witch hunt party, and that hasn't changed.

The country tired of failed progressive politics and policies - that's how Reagan got elected. Clinton failed in his reelection bid as governor of Arkansas after pursuing those policies. He became much more of a centrist, even right-leaning on some issues, and became wildly popular and successful.

The progressivism wasn't restricted to the democrats. Nixon was a liberal republican, as were the two Bush men.

The odd thing is the right-leaning democrat was hated by republicans and the left-leaning republicans were hated by democrats. This might be the clue that it is party over policy, party over principles, and party over country.

The only important thing I found in your post is the rant against the Koch brothers. There's always some bogieman who is a lot worse in feverish minds than in real life. I am not swayed to vote out of fear of such bogiemen or other wild claims.

 

[ABM]

I figured out that both parties are rotten quite a few years ago.

The republicans were in the minority for over 40 years and were the loyal opposition. Reagan got elected, and the democrats became the witch hunt party, and that hasn't changed.

Sarah Palin, tear down this wall.

 

[jlprk]

The point isn't what the writer says, since we've read these opinions before. He is moderate, like a moderate Democrat or what is now considered a liberal Republican, a mainstream Republican before the party went radical right under Gingrich.

The point is that although he has been a professional Washington Republican for decades working for Republican congressmen, the radicalism that has taken over his party has now driven him out of Washington and he's quitting.

The point is the context of his opinions, not the content.

It's similar to when a Republican poster says, "Obama did X!" and I say, "What's wrong with X? It's almost Republican" and he says, "Nothing, but Obama said he would bring CHANGE, so I gotcha on something."

Get it? It's the context, not the content.

 

[BLAZER PROPHET]

I figured out that both parties are rotten quite a few years ago.

I'm not so sure I'd use the term "rotten", but I do think both sides have continued to sell out to their special interest entities. Each party have some excellent people who are striving to make things better. It's just that things have been allowed to get so bad and there are many more overly partisan politicians that we need a lot of fresh blood before the ship will be righted. Eventually, when things get worse (if that's possible) my hope is that voters will start demanding more from their representatives and corrective changes will be made.

 

[barfo]

Yep, error is correct.

No it isn't.

barfo

 

[3RA1N1AC]

both parties are absolute crap, so i guess their main objective, voter apathy, has finally been accomplished