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Was trying to find another thread to put this in, but I wanted to share it regardless.

Not sure the analysis here but Lillard has scored 30+ points seven times in his young career and Blazers are 1-6 in those games
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From: Taylor Danforth Twitter

That's quite perplexing.
 
Well, it's certainly not on him that we lost this one.

If anything it's indicative of the fact that Lillard steps up when our team is playing like complete shit, but more often than not he can't carry us to a win.

During that first half when nobody could hit, he and RoLo were the only guys who were scoring. If Wes or Nic had actually scored in the first half, I think this game would have been different.
 
Ballhogs lose? How about finding our record when he has 3 or fewer assists. He's a PG.
 
Natebishop3 said:
Well, it's certainly not on him that we lost this one.

If anything it's indicative of the fact that Lillard steps up when our team is playing like complete shit, but more often than not he can't carry us to a win.

During that first half when nobody could hit, he and RoLo were the only guys who were scoring. If Wes or Nic had actually scored in the first half, I think this game would have been different.
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A horrible shooting night and we still stayed in it. Nothing too bad. A bounce back game Monday to start the trip.
 
He only tries taking over when we're losing.
 
jlprk said:
Ballhogs lose? How about finding our record when he has 3 or fewer assists. He's a PG.
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So you're saying that it's Damian's fault that the guys he threw the ball to bricked their shots tonight?
 
I bet we could trade him for Steve Nash.
 
roy had to retire so we could have lillard. the basketball gods work in mysterious ways.
 
Strenuus said:
A horrible shooting night and we still stayed in it. Nothing too bad. A bounce back game Monday to start the trip.
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It's a one game trip. We only play in Utah and then come home to play Houston on TNT.
 
KingSpeed said:
It's a one game trip. We only play in Utah and then come home to play Houston on TNT.
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Thank you for constantly correcting everyone, Eric. I think I speak for everyone when I say people love those kind of people
 
jlprk said:
Ballhogs lose? How about finding our record when he has 3 or fewer assists. He's a PG.
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e_blazer said:
So you're saying that it's Damian's fault that the guys he threw the ball to bricked their shots tonight?
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His assist average is, what, in wins? See below for solution method.

BlazerCaravan said:
Actually, he was even worse last season - 3 of 10: http://bkref.com/tiny/r8D3W (I added the additional parameters to match the tweet). Looks like Lillard leveled up on the Clutch skill tree over the summer.
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I missed the under 3 points part. To examine assists when < 5 minutes in the 4th or OT, when the scores are within 3 points, in wins for us, the best I can do is to list every assist.

http://www.basketball-reference.com...opp_id=&quarter=&time_remain_quarter=&margin=

If you click Time a couple of times, then Quarter a couple of times, it will get into the perfect order.

He only had 3 such assists all last year, win or lose. With such a small sample, I didn't check which team won. The database doesn't work for the current season.
 
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jlprk said:
Ballhogs lose? How about finding our record when he has 3 or fewer assists. He's a PG.
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So according to this guy's great basketball mind, Lillard is a "ballhog."
 
jlprk said:
I missed the under 3 points part. To examine assists when < 5 minutes in the 4th or OT, when the scores are within 3 points, in wins for us, the best I can do is to list every assist.

http://www.basketball-reference.com...opp_id=&quarter=&time_remain_quarter=&margin=

If you click Time a couple of times, then Quarter a couple of times, it will get into the perfect order.

He only had 3 such assists all last year, win or lose. With such a small sample, I didn't check which team won. The database doesn't work for the current season.
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What an idiotic post. "Small sample" defeats your own argument. Put on some bowling shoes.
 
PapaG said:
What an idiotic post. "Small sample" defeats your own argument. Put on some bowling shoes.
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Speaking of tripping over yourself in the alley, you should be sober before analyzing statistics.
 
SlyPokerDog said:
Trail Blazers PR ‏@TrailBlazersPR

Damian Lillard is now 6-for-7 from 3-point range this season in the last five minutes of games within three points.
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While watching the DAL game I had the thought that Lillard truly is only a middle-of-the-pack starting PG - until the 4th quarter, when he becomes Top 3. His defense is just atrocious. And too many times he hail-mary drives to the hoop and ends up on the floor without making the shot. If there isn't an opportunity for him to be clutch I'm not overly impressed with him. But whenever there's a chance for him to make a big shot, or take over in the closing minutes of a close game, he comes through.
 
blue9 said:
While watching the DAL game I had the thought that Lillard truly is only a middle-of-the-pack starting PG - until the 4th quarter, when he becomes Top 3. His defense is just atrocious. And too many times he hail-mary drives to the hoop and ends up on the floor without making the shot. If there isn't an opportunity for him to be clutch I'm not overly impressed with him. But whenever there's a chance for him to make a big shot, or take over in the closing minutes of a close game, he comes through.
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He scored 19 points in the first half... you were thinking "middle of the pack point guard?"
 
Natebishop3 said:
He scored 19 points in the first half... you were thinking "middle of the pack point guard?"
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Watching him get abused by Calderon, yes. Jose can do everything as well as, or better than Dame - except take a game over in the 4th. And I don't think Jose is anything more than a mid-pack PG. I guess it's more of a commentary on just how deep the PG position is today. Lillard's shooting is special, but nothing else about his game (aside from the aforementioned clutchness) is all that special...except his defense, which is especially bad.
 
blue9 said:
Watching him get abused by Calderon, yes. Jose can do everything as well as, or better than Dame - except take a game over in the 4th. And I don't think Jose is anything more than a mid-pack PG. I guess it's more of a commentary on just how deep the PG position is today. Lillard's shooting is special, but nothing else about his game (aside from the aforementioned clutchness) is all that special...except his defense, which is especially bad.
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I disagree completely. Jose was getting torched by Dame to the tune of 32 points. So obviously he's not a better defender. In fact, he was so bad, Carlisle had to switch Marion onto Lillard, which allowed Batum to torch Calderon.

Right now Jose might be a better distributor, but Lillard isn't really playing that role on the Blazers. Batum is the facilitator in our offense right now.
 
They're both terrible defensively. So, wash. But Jose is way better at running an offense, and is a better shooter.
Other than shoot REALLY well in clutch situations, what does Lillard do exceptionally well? I remember people were irate about his ranking on a Top 15 list this summer, but I think it was actually quite accurate. He's an absolute killer in the clutch, but aside from that he doesn't have skills that are superior to other PGs.

This isn't to say I think Lillard is a problem, but I'm not going to get carried away and call him a Top 5 PG when his skills don't warrant it. He's a very good player with the attitude to be great - but he's not there yet.
 
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blue9 said:
They're both terrible defensively. So, wash. But Jose is way better at running an offense, and is a better shooter.
Other than shoot REALLY well in clutch situations, what does Lillard do exceptionally well? I remember people were irate about his ranking on a Top 15 list this summer, but I think it was actually quite accurate. He's an absolute killer in the clutch, but aside from that he doesn't have skills that are superior to other PGs.
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He's an elite three point shooter, and his shooting percentage is down a bit right now, but I think it will bounce back. I agree that he's not as good at distributing as Calderon, but he's definitely a far superior scorer. I think his assists would be much higher if Stotts was using him as the primary ball handler, but the starters share the ball and Batum ends up with many of the assists.
 
Natebishop3 said:
He's an elite three point shooter, and his shooting percentage is down a bit right now, but I think it will bounce back. I agree that he's not as good at distributing as Calderon, but he's definitely a far superior scorer. I think his assists would be much higher if Stotts was using him as the primary ball handler, but the starters share the ball and Batum ends up with many of the assists.
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Okay, but my statement isn't just about him vs Jose. There are a lot of PGs who can score like Lillard. Yes - he shoots well from 3 (not as well as Jose!), particularly in clutch situations. I've already said that he excels in this one area. But aside from that, he isn't head of the class in any other facet of the game. Hence my assertion that he's a mid-pack PG until the 4th quarter.
 
Natebishop3 said:
I disagree completely. Jose was getting torched by Dame to the tune of 32 points. So obviously he's not a better defender. In fact, he was so bad, Carlisle had to switch Marion onto Lillard, which allowed Batum to torch Calderon.

Right now Jose might be a better distributor, but Lillard isn't really playing that role on the Blazers. Batum is the facilitator in our offense right now.
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The last two minutes, they put Marion on Lillard... that's how much he's respected in the clutch.
 
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