A.L. East snap shot

[blgridesagain]

...Ellsbury's return is much needed but I don't see it really helping the RISP numbers that much, especially since he'll be the leadoff man. Gardner has been hot but I don't see his recent streak lasting all year.

...RISP is .258 and even that number is higher than it would normally be because 30 of the hits were HRs (the most HRs of any team in the league)...RISP w/2 out is just as pedestrian (.245 w/16 HRs...also the most in the league)

Yanks currently in middle of the pack (.260) in BA w/risp. Not so bad considering they DO score runs and hitting HRs w/risp count as much as a nice little line drive single....lol.
They're batting .313 with loaded bases, which has been one of their bugaboos in recent years.

They're 2nd in the league in SLG% with runners on base which is a very good formula including being tied for 4th in doubles w/runners on base...5 from 2nd place...
...and tied for 2nd in doubles w/risp....not too shabby.

Sure, of course I would like to see their ba w/risp 20 or 30 points higher but the thing - imo - which will/maybe/probably prevent (excluding mass injuries) the Yanks from winning this division is poor SP....they need -imo - to be close to the top 1/3 in league SP ERA or at least better than league average.

This currently is a "Yankee" offense which should be good enough to carry it's load over the full season.
Overral they're putting good points on the board and they do it at a pretty good pace.
( % of games scoring at least 5 runs)

And they're missing Ellsbury who happens to be a .300 hitter w/risp.

 

[yankeesince59]

...unfuckingbelievable...cherry pick away. Seriously, you had to dig that hard to paint a good picture? Bases loaded BA?...SLG with runners on base?...doubles w/runners on base?...doubles w/RISP?...What kind of BS is that?

...instead of trying so hard to find that silver lining, why not include the fact that their 12th in the AL in team ERA?...why not include the fact that since the firse 25 game of the season when they started 16-9, for the last 51 games they're a sub-.500 team....cherry pick around that.

 

[totus44]

^^^^sorry this formula is a gross over simplification of a much more dynamically complex system. Are you sure you're not a Greek banker?

 

[totus44]

...unfuckingbelievable...cherry pick away. Seriously, you had to dig that hard to paint a good picture? Bases loaded BA?...SLG with runners on base?...doubles w/runners on base?...doubles w/RISP?...What kind of BS is that?

...instead of trying so hard to find that silver lining, why not include the fact that their 12th in the AL in team ERA?...why not include the fact that since the firse 25 game of the season when they started 16-9, for the last 51 games they're a sub-.500 team....cherry pick around that.

^^^^^funny, but when I shake my magic 8 ball, I get a completely different set of key stat indicators.

 

[yankeesince59]

...^^^ can you believe that shit?...I'm surprised he did not claim that the Yanx are the best in the AL when playing during a full moon.

 

[totus44]

...^^^ can you believe that shit?...I'm surprised he did not claim that the Yanx are the best in the AL when playing during a full moon.

only when on grass...you have to remove the losses at night on turf.

 

[stampedehero]

Right now before the first pitch my O's are sharing 1st place. Yes! I hope the take down the Rangers @ home. .

 

[blgridesagain]

...unfuckingbelievable...cherry pick away. Seriously, you had to dig that hard to paint a good picture? Bases loaded BA?...SLG with runners on base?...doubles w/runners on base?...doubles w/RISP?...What kind of BS is that?

...instead of trying so hard to find that silver lining, why not include the fact that their 12th in the AL in team ERA?...why not include the fact that since the firse 25 game of the season when they started 16-9, for the last 51 games they're a sub-.500 team....cherry pick around that.

Not cherry picking....simply pointing out GOOD offensive numbers/production...WITH RUNNERS ON BASE and SCORING POSITION.

SLG% with runners on base is a solid very real, very effective way to score runs and you were the one who brought up hitting HRs w/risp as if it were a negative thing...lol

I happened to ALSO include other extra base hits with runners on base - doubles.
Want to discard getting alot of extra base hits (and HRs of course) with runners on base?

The team is currently batting .260 w/risp...slightly better than league average and I've already said I would surely like to see it "20 or 30" points higher...but toss in those other "cherry picked" (lol) stats and the offense has NOT been this team's problem so far, this season.

I'll leave you with this to try and pick apart....in my post (#31) which you found fault with,
I also said-
"but the thing - imo - which will/maybe/probably prevent (excluding mass injuries) the Yanks from winning this division is poor SP....they need -imo - to be close to the top 1/3 in league SP ERA or at least better than league average".



Jeez......I'm scratching my head.

 

[blgridesagain]

^^^^^funny, but when I shake my magic 8 ball, I get a completely different set of key stat indicators.

Are they any different, more detailed, and specific, or more revealing than anything I've mentioned? (post31).


I just hope you won't "cherry pick" by telling me the Yanks aren't getting enough hits w/risp excluding HOME RUNS.....lmao

I'm all ears....be my guest, willing to learn.

 

[yankeesince59]

Not cherry picking....simply pointing out GOOD offensive numbers/production...WITH RUNNERS ON BASE and SCORING POSITION.

SLG% with runners on base is a solid very real, very effective way to score runs and you were the one who brought up hitting HRs w/risp as if it were a negative thing...lol

I happened to ALSO include other extra base hits with runners on base - doubles.
Want to discard getting alot of extra base hits (and HRs of course) with runners on base?

The team is currently batting .260 w/risp...slightly better than league average and I've already said I would surely like to see it "20 or 30" points higher...but toss in those other "cherry picked" (lol) stats and the offense has NOT been this team's problem so far, this season.

I'll leave you with this to try and pick apart....in my post (#31) which you found fault with,
I also said-
"but the thing - imo - which will/maybe/probably prevent (excluding mass injuries) the Yanks from winning this division is poor SP....they need -imo - to be close to the top 1/3 in league SP ERA or at least better than league average".
Jeez......I'm scratching my head.

...uhhh no, it was cherry picking, at its best...or worst. It's what you do. You hand picked SOME numbers w RISP, you know, the ones that looked the best to you.
...here's your MO...You get a notion and only then scramble for some obscure stats to support your stance...instead of first fully reading and digesting stats and then formulating an educated opinion. You've been doing it for months.

...and sorry, but "SLG with runners on base" is directly influenced by the disproportionate number of HRs which I pointed out...and the reason it was pointed out in the first place was because something else I've pointed to multiple times, which is this team is way to "HR dependent"...something that generally "is exposed in the PS when facing better pitching".

 

[yankeesince59]

Right now before the first pitch my O's are sharing 1st place. Yes! I hope the take down the Rangers @ home. .

...I'm sure Showalter will keep the O's playing up to their ability...he's been good at that.

 

[Rick2583]

Yanks currently in middle of the pack (.260) in BA w/risp. Not so bad considering they DO score runs and hitting HRs w/risp count as much as a nice little line drive single....lol.
They're batting .313 with loaded bases, which has been one of their bugaboos in recent years.

They're 2nd in the league in SLG% with runners on base which is a very good formula including being tied for 4th in doubles w/runners on base...5 from 2nd place...
...and tied for 2nd in doubles w/risp....not too shabby.

Sure, of course I would like to see their ba w/risp 20 or 30 points higher but the thing - imo - which will/maybe/probably prevent (excluding mass injuries) the Yanks from winning this division is poor SP....they need -imo - to be close to the top 1/3 in league SP ERA or at least better than league average.

This currently is a "Yankee" offense which should be good enough to carry it's load over the full season.
Overral they're putting good points on the board and they do it at a pretty good pace.
( % of games scoring at least 5 runs)

And they're missing Ellsbury who happens to be a .300 hitter w/risp.

I know you're always a glass half full guy but all is not as rosey and you point out .......................

The Yankees are 9th in SH
The Yankees are 12th in ERA
The Yankees are last in SHUTOUTS
The Yankees are 13th in QS
The Yankees are 1st in WILD PITCHES

 

[yankeesince59]

...rick, are those stats for odd numbered days or even numbered days?

 

[Rick2583]

Those are for games played on Tuesdays, Wednesdays, Fridays & Sundays. But only when right handed pitchers pitch at least 5 innings but no more than 7 innings.

Oh And it only applies for pitchers that do not have a E, O, R, I or A in there names.

 

[yankeesince59]

^^^ NAILED IT !

 

[blgridesagain]

...uhhh no, it was cherry picking, at its best...or worst. It's what you do. You hand picked SOME numbers w RISP, you know, the ones that looked the best to you.
...here's your MO...You get a notion and only then scramble for some obscure stats to support your stance...instead of first fully reading and digesting stats and then formulating an educated opinion. You've been doing it for months.

...and sorry, but "SLG with runners on base" is directly influenced by the disproportionate number of HRs which I pointed out...and the reason it was pointed out in the first place was because something else I've pointed to multiple times, which is this team is way to "HR dependent"...something that generally "is exposed in the PS when facing better pitching".

Not sure why you're taking issue with me for bringing up other offensive stats which result in producing runs but let's first try and establish couple of things.

1) I did note your mention of the Yanks' ba w/risp....they came into tonight's game batting .260 w/risp which is middle of the pack and (for the THIRD time) I said I would also like to see it "20 or 30" points higher.

2) The Yanks' SP ERA is 13th in the league which is lousy and I also said (for the THIRD time) poor SP will probably be the reason this team won't win the division (or make the playoffs)- I have said ever since "pre-season picks" the Yanks will/should score considerably more runs this year and, but, they are going to need their overall pitching ERA to be in or close to the top third in the league. Right now it isn't happening...obviously.

3) And I not only referred to HRs w/risp and runners on base, I mentioned doubles and extra base hits in general ➡SLG%, a mighty important stat whether some like it or not.
If you have a problem with a team getting alot of extra-base hits with runners on base, then I can't help it.

4) I'm well aware you can't expect to hit "alot" of HRs vs top notch pitching and during pressurized post season games. This is where having "good consistent SP" comes into play which the Yanks currently do NOT have.
Team have to try and stay close to the other team's top SP and you need YOUR SP to keep it close...hopefully the team can scratch a couple of runs and eventually maybe getting into the opposition's bullpen and win the game......oh, and just for the record, teams have been known to hit a HR or two in the playoffs and WS. Lmao


I don't know if you realize this, or if anyone has mentioned it to you but, it seems like you call ANY stat which may not bolster your point or doesn't quite fit YOUR narrative "cherry picking".

Always good to kick things around in an amiable fashion.

 

[yankeesince59]

...I think it's rather obvious that you're the last person whose validation I would consider worth having.

 

[totus44]

You know, cherry-picking is an art form.....too bad you're painting with your toes.

 

[stampedehero]

no team in the AL East is very good, PERIOD. no extent of cherry-picking and spinning statistics is going to change the fact that you are WRONG, in the most homerific definition of W-R-O-N-G!

Enough of this fuckery!

C'mon . We have to have some fun at the begining of July. As we speak the O's have been red hot. Give the singer some.

...I'm sure Showalter will keep the O's playing up to their ability...he's been good at that.

Damn. A loss at @home 8-1. We got rocked by one player.

 

[blgridesagain]

You know, cherry-picking is an art form.....too bad you're painting with your toes.

But I noticed you offered nothing when I asked you to follow up

The Yankees are 20-8 when they hit at least 2 HRs in a game. And 21 & 26 when they don't.

"Yanks are 20-8 when they hit TWO HRs in a game"
....not one but TWO...lol
Nah, that's not cherry picking......not at all.

Bottom line- no cherry picking crap excuse accusation needed, bottom line is the reason why this Yankee team isn't in first place by a few/couple of games is because of their SP ERA going south as the season is progressing.....NOT because "they hit too many HRs".... not because they have a mediocre team ba w/risp relative to the REST OF THE LEAGUE..
....by the way, they are currently better than 64% of the teams in the league in BA 2 outs w/risp...lol......AND I DO THINK THEY SHOULD BE BETTER!....so let's get that out of the way.

This team is 2nd in the league in scoring runs...and near the bottom of the league in team ERA.

Want to venture a guess on what is holding them back from having a decent first place lead in the division so far?
One hint, It's NOT because they hit - LMAO - too may HRS...

I'll give you ONE guess--- ready, set, GO!

lol

 

[blgridesagain]

But in fairness who in the American League is very good? Aside from the Cards who have been great what other team do you look at and say OMG they're very good?

Excellent point...and accurate.
I laugh when I hear some say "there isn't a very good team in the A.L. East".
The question begs to be asked - just who exactly are those other " very good teams"?

Thus far ---
KC? Yanks have already taken the season series from them and I have no doubt the Yanks can also hold their own and beat them in a short playoff series.


Baltimore? Yanks are 5-5 vs them thus far. Nuff said.

Houston? Yanks 2-2 vs them with all 4 games AT Houston.

TB? Yanks 6-4 vs them.

Tigers? Yanks 5-2 vs them.

Angels? Yanks 3-1 vs them.

Only KC has a sizeble better record than the Yanks at 5 or so games but they've played four less games.

Only Baltimore, TB (0.5 g) and Houston (3 g) are the other teams with better W-L records than the Yanks. Not exactly breath-taking.....ho hum.

So what's all this crap "we" keep hearing from others about the A.L East not having any "great teams" as if there are obvious OTHER powerhouse teams in the league..?
What a joke.LOONEY TUNES - imaginary boogeymen. Lol
Good post Mess, you put it in proper, REAL perspective.

Oh, yeah...the ST Louis Cardinals......great fancy record....and how many teams who finished with THE BEST RECORD have gone on to win the WS in the past 10, 20 years?

Lol


Let us enjoy the season....kick around the ups and downs of our team and hold onto your shovels because we still have a ways to go before we bury the Yanks.

 

[yankeesince59]

"Cherry picking" ;

A quick Google search yields the following definitions:

Definition One

Cherry picking is the act of pointing at individual cases or data that seem to confirm a particular position, while ignoring a significant portion of related cases or data that may contradict that position.

Definition Two

To pick out the best, or most desirable items from a list or group, especially to obtain some advantage or to present something in the best possible light

 

[blgridesagain]

"Cherry picking" ;

A quick Google search yields the following definitions:

Definition One

Cherry picking is the act of pointing at individual cases or data that seem to confirm a particular position, while ignoring a significant portion of related cases or data that may contradict that position.

Definition Two

To pick out the best, or most desirable items from a list or group, especially to obtain some advantage or to present something in the best possible light

blg says:
Two bottom line, real tangible stats regarding the Yanks' hitting and pitching on June 30
are-
1) Yanks currently 2nd in league is SCORING runs.
2) The Yankee team SP ERA is 13th in a league of 15 teams.

And you're nitpicking over the Yanks "relying" on hitting HRs, and the team's MEDIOCRE BA w/risp as the primary reasons why they happen to be ONE game out of First place?
C'mon now, can we please drop this?....I'm getting lightheaded from running around in circles with you.

 

[yankeesince59]

..."getting light headed"?... can you pin point when this chronic symptom began?...my guess would be the OP.

 

[Rick2583]

But I noticed you offered nothing when I asked you to follow up



"Yanks are 20-8 when they hit TWO HRs in a game"
....not one but TWO...lol
Nah, that's not cherry picking......not at all.

Bottom line- no cherry picking crap excuse accusation needed, bottom line is the reason why this Yankee team isn't in first place by a few/couple of games is because of their SP ERA going south as the season is progressing.....NOT because "they hit too many HRs".... not because they have a mediocre team ba w/risp relative to the REST OF THE LEAGUE..
....by the way, they are currently better than 64% of the teams in the league in BA 2 outs w/risp...lol......AND I DO THINK THEY SHOULD BE BETTER!....so let's get that out of the way.

This team is 2nd in the league in scoring runs...and near the bottom of the league in team ERA.

Want to venture a guess on what is holding them back from having a decent first place lead in the division so far?
One hint, It's NOT because they hit - LMAO - too may HRS...

I'll give you ONE guess--- ready, set, GO!

lol

My point on the 2HR games won & loss record was quoted by the announcers during a Yankee telecast so I guess they're cherry picking also.

If you're going to point out the positive things on this team you might also point out the negative. Or don't you think there are any?

 

[yankeesince59]

My point on the 2HR games won & loss record was quoted by the announcers during a Yankee telecast so I guess they're cherry picking also.

If you're going to point out the positive things on this team you might also point out the negative. Or don't you think there are any?

...but you know it doesn't work that way, rick...snap out of it.

 

[Rick2583]

...but you know it doesn't work that way, rick...snap out of it.

Yeah, what the hell was I thinking?

 

[blgridesagain]

My point on the 2HR games won & loss record was quoted by the announcers during a Yankee telecast so I guess they're cherry picking also.

If you're going to point out the positive things on this team you might also point out the negative. Or don't you think there are any?

Okay Rick, I head ya....but didn't you read my post (# 51)?
I thought I covered the two basic bottom line, simplified, easy to understand STATS regarding the Yanks' strong points, and WEAKNESS.

Here, one more time: (post 51)

1) Yanks currently 2nd in league is SCORING runs.
2) The Yankee team SP ERA is 13th in a league of 15 teams


Can we, or do we NOT agree the primary reason/weakness why the Yanks are still bobbing along being an handful of games over .500 is because their SP (ERA) is terrible?

Oh sure, we can toss around a few other "inconsistencies"...but no team is perfect and ALL good teams MUST have at least good solid SP and reliable late inning relief.

Can we agree on this? C'mon fellas, I'm not looking to re-invent the game and I don't think either of you are.

Let's close it out, okay?
If you want to discuss it further, I won't mind....good old baseball talk is A-Okay with me.

 

[yankeesince59]

...lol...about a month ago we were getting brow beat about how good the pitching is.

..."any way the wind blows".

 

[totus44]

Blg I don't need to quote stats or draw comps to justify my statement and the Yankees are a mediocre team. With a 41-36 record that stat sums it up nicely. You want some perspective...ok, <70 wins/season = bad team, >90 wins/season = good team. 71-89 wins/season = mediocre team. Good team threshold varies +1 to +3 depending on number of 90+ win teams in the league.

Anything else is cherry picking, and no level of that will make the 2015 Yankees a good team.