A look a some final player stats

[Wizard Mentor]

Here are the advanced stats from basketball-reference.com:

Team NetRtg: 111.5-107.4 = +4.1

Player NetRtg (with at least 500 minutes)
Lopez: +21
Matthews: +8
Batum: +7
Lillard: +6
Aldridge: +4
TEAM AVERAGE: +4
Freeland: +2
Wright: +1
Robinson: -2
Williams -8

Thoughts:

• I like NetRtg because it's simple to understand and yet highly relevant.
• However, WS/48 may be more meaningful, but I'm looking for general trends not Player X is better than Player Y when the data is close.
• No one on the bench had at or above Team NetRtg.
• Lopez is awesome.
• Williams is not.

 

[PapaG]

[*]I like NetRtg because it's simple to understand and yet highly relevant.
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Net rating is kind of a bad metric, simply because Lillard and LMA play a lot more minutes with the bench players than Matthews and Lopez, which impacts their net rating as a team negatively. It's dependent on who is on the court.

On/Off is a much better stat to use, IMO, because it shows how the team performs with an individual player as well as any stat we have.

On/Off for the starters

Batum +5.4
Matthews +3.6
LMA +8.8
Lopez +6.3
Lillard +6.5

 

[BlazerCaravan]

Good point, G. I like on/off a lot too.

 

[PapaG]

On/Off for the primary bench players.

Mo -4.9
Robinson -10.3
Wright -1.3
Leonard -17
Freeland -2.5
McCollum -7.2
Barton -7.2
Watson -3.9
Claver +3.4

 

[SlyPokerDog]

All of our starters really improved their trade values.

 

[Wizard Mentor]

Hmmm. How is On/Off measured? If it's simply On - Off, wouldn't that have the same problem?

btw, what's your opinion on WS/48?

Net rating is kind of a bad metric, simply because Lillard and LMA play a lot more minutes with the bench players than Matthews and Lopez, which impacts their net rating as a team negatively. It's dependent on who is on the court.

On/Off is a much better stat to use, IMO, because it shows how the team performs with an individual player as well as any stat we have.

On/Off for the starters

Batum +5.4
Matthews +3.6
LMA +8.8
Lopez +6.3
Lillard +6.5

 

[ripcityboy]

Batum has better overall stats than I thought he would. I have to say the critics on here were right on Mo. Will be interesting to see these next year with more players contributing.

 

[PapaG]

Hmmm. How is On/Off measured? If it's simply On - Off, wouldn't that have the same problem?

btw, what's your opinion on WS/48?

On/Off isn't dependent on who you're on the court with, like Ortg/Drtg are as a player. For example, Lopez is so high because he literally rarely or never had to play with Robinson/Leonard/McCollum/Barton, and was typically always on the court with Lillard and LMA.

WS/48 is a better stat than net rating, IMO, but for measuring a player's impact individually on a team, I think On/Off is the best one to use. No stat is perfect, though, and you're repped for posting some advanced stats! That's been my thing here for years, and I enjoy diving into advanced stats.

 

[PapaG]

Let me put it another way. Any stat that shows that Lopez and Matthews are better players than LMA/Lillard is skewed by who is on the floor with those players.

Wes and Lopez are almost never on the court without either LMA or Lillard, and usually both.

 

[PapaG]

Posted in another thread, but thought it was important for the "TRADE LMA!!!" idiocy we'll see in a few months.

LMA was +19.5 On/Off for the playoffs. Anybody with eyeballs knows that the Blazers were holding on to stay in the game when he wasn't on the court.

Lillard was +6.5 for the playoffs, which was basically his season's total.

LMA was +8.8 for the regular season. Sometimes I wonder if Blazer fans have some sort of self-destructive gene which causes them to try and run the best player on the team out of Portland.

 

[BlazerCaravan]

Posted in another thread, but thought it was important for the "TRADE LMA!!!" idiocy we'll see in a few months.

LMA was +19.5 On/Off for the playoffs. Anybody with eyeballs knows that the Blazers were holding on to stay in the game when he wasn't on the court.

Lillard was +6.5 for the playoffs, which was basically his season's total.

LMA was +8.8 for the regular season. Sometimes I wonder if Blazer fans have some sort of self-destructive gene which causes them to try and run the best player on the team out of Portland.

It was when LMA scored 40 points twice and people said, "See? He should just play like that every night!" that made me slam my head into my desk to get relief. You wanna talk about entitlement in a fanbase. We are AWFUL to our good players, and even worse to our great ones.

And LaMarcus is one of the great Blazers.

 

[PapaG]

It was when LMA scored 40 points twice and people said, "See? He should just play like that every night!" that made me slam my head into my desk to get relief. You wanna talk about entitlement in a fanbase. We are AWFUL to our good players, and even worse to our great ones.

And LaMarcus is one of the great Blazers.

Yeah, hearing that LMA played like crap against the Spurs when he averaged 22/11 for the series makes this place intolerable. When you really read the posts, though, it's only about 5 posters bashing him over and over.

 

[Mediocre Man]

Yeah, hearing that LMA played like crap against the Spurs when he averaged 22/11 for the series makes this place intolerable. When you really read the posts, though, it's only about 5 posters bashing him over and over.

I never understood the Aldridge hate during this playoffs. He was amazing

 

[blue32]

He was great. He did run a little cold on the shooting at times, but who can expect him to put up 40pts every game. I guess its possible, but highly unlikely. Overall I think he and Lillard had a great playoff push.

 

[Eastoff]

Yeah, hearing that LMA played like crap against the Spurs when he averaged 22/11 for the series makes this place intolerable. When you really read the posts, though, it's only about 5 posters bashing him over and over.

Personally, I was disappointed in the number of jumpers, and not as many close-in shots.

 

[PapaG]

Personally, I was disappointed in the number of jumpers, and not as many close-in shots.

You take what the defense gives you.

 

[blazerboy30]

Personally, I was disappointed in the number of jumpers, and not as many close-in shots.

I've never understood why LMA doesn't dunk the ball every time he gets it.

 

[RoyToy]

It's okay to admit Aldridge didn't play that well vs San Antonio

Unless shooting 42% is your thing

 

[PapaG]

It's okay to admit Aldridge didn't play that well vs San Antonio

Unless shooting 42% is your thing

Nobody played well against San Antonio. The on/off for the playoffs aren't a made-up number, though. The team was remarkably worse with LMA on the bench. It was painful to watch at times, because if the bench stayed even, I considered it a victory. Unfortunately, more often than not, when LMA went out, a 4-6 point deficit would balloon to 10-14. During the Houston series, LMA was able to make up the ground the bench lost. Against the Spurs, it was impossible, because the Portland bench was just awful.

 

[Schilly]

if you like WS you can see it's pretty glaringly obvious we have a huge drop from Starters to Bench. 6-10 looks like a tier to me, then 11-15 is another significant drop.

Meyers ranked better than anyone wants to admit?

 

[BlazerCaravan]

if you like WS you can see it's pretty glaringly obvious we have a huge drop from Starters to Bench. 6-10 looks like a tier to me, then 11-15 is another significant drop.

Meyers ranked better than anyone wants to admit?

He is, and I'm generally a Meyers defender, but it's so scary having him in the game. Maybe if the others around him are better?

 

[Schilly]

Yeah for sure, you can tell he thinks too much. He has a good mid range jumper great athleticism for size, passes well and is a good FT shooter. Also he did a good job grabbing boards this season even though apparently statistics are disregard-able in terms of a players ability to rebound.

 

[PapaG]

He is, and I'm generally a Meyers defender, but it's so scary having him in the game. Maybe if the others around him are better?

Frankly, in the playoffs, it was scary having anybody from the bench in the game. Leonard couldn't have done much worse than those who played.

 

[PapaG]

Yeah for sure, you can tell he thinks too much. He has a good mid range jumper great athleticism for size, passes well and is a good FT shooter. Also he did a good job grabbing boards this season even though apparently statistics are disregard-able in terms of a players ability to rebound.

The rebounding stats don't matter because Meyers had ball magnets on his hands, so even though he didn't try for rebounds, the ball would go to him at a higher rate than most other players in the league. I doubt the NBA lets him get away with that tomfoolery next season now that the secret is out.

 

[BlazerCaravan]

Frankly, in the playoffs, it was scary having anybody from the bench in the game. Leonard couldn't have done much worse than those who played.

I still think Stotts could have faked Pop out by starting Leonard, Claver, CJ, Watson, and Crabbe for Game 1.

 

[Schilly]

The rebounding stats don't matter because Meyers had ball magnets on his hands, so even though he didn't try for rebounds, the ball would go to him at a higher rate than most other players in the league. I doubt the NBA lets him get away with that tomfoolery next season now that the secret is out.

I'm pretty sure I saw opponents bump him the ball expecting a set for the flush spike alley oop, I mean he does have that Volley Ball player haircut.

 

[blue9]

So our #1 star is the least effective starter? Wish I could say I'm surprised...
Though I am surprised Wes is ranked as high as he is. Must be that blistering first month or 6 weeks he had to start the season that allowed his season total to remain as high as it is after his play dropped off.

 

[Draco]

Frankly, in the playoffs, it was scary having anybody from the bench in the game. Leonard couldn't have done much worse than those who played.

Barton had a great playoffs. Small sample size for sure but I was impressed with games in both series. Wes was painful to watch on offense so it wasn't only the bench. Mo was very disappointing before his injury.

 

[PapaG]

So our #1 star is the least effective starter? Wish I could say I'm surprised...
Though I am surprised Wes is ranked as high as he is. Must be that blistering first month or 6 weeks he had to start the season that allowed his season total to remain as high as it is after his play dropped off.

You may want to read the thread. You should be surprised, because you're wrong, unless you think LMA and Lillard are the two least effective starters. There are better stats for measuring individual importance to the team.

Problem is, I know you'll be referencing Net Differential to slam LMA (and Lillard, I guess) in the future, without even knowing how those numbers are derived.

 

[rasheedfan2005]

5th on mvp ladder makes lamarcus what a top 100player maybe?