A quote on what was said in the Lillard - Allen meeting

[e_blazer]

I'm not sure that's an accurate assessment. Currently, the NBA is projecting that the cap will increase by $1M or so for the '18-'19 season.
There may be another jump, but I'd expect it to be relatively flat for the next 2-3 years.

It depends on whether the players and owners can agree on a figure for Basketball Related Income. Here’s the formula:

“The salary cap is calculated based on projected amounts for Basketball Related Income (BRI) and benefits for the upcoming season. The projected BRI is a matter of negotiation between the league and players association. Each year the sides meet to try to agree on an amount. If they cannot agree by the end of the previous season (June 30), they instead use:

• The set amount for national broadcast rights (which is determined in advance), plus
• The BRI for the previous season (other than national broadcast rights), increased by 4.5%.”

If they use the default formula built into the CBA, it would end up increasing the cap by around $9M. Of course, there are penalties if the actual BRI is lower, so the players are going to be somewhat reasonable.

 

[BBert]

I'm not sure I like AD at small forward next to Aminu...

 

[kjironman1]

This statement is rather ignorant as well.

The "Process" has been going on for 5-6 years. The Noah trade is not a first step... it's well down the line.
Half a step forward, two steps back, one step forward... and so on.

You are right, Rome did not get built in a day. Portland was in a good position to make the right deals, but made some really poor decisions to get them in the current situation.

I'm not convinced that NO has a long term plan that extends beyond 6-months.

No bro. 5-6 years ago was a completely different team. Changes happened that were completely out of Neils and Pauls control. You simply could not offer LMA more money than they did. They could not have kept Mathews from getting hurt. Totally disagree.

 

[kjironman1]

I'm not sure I like AD at small forward next to Aminu...

That is just toooo funny.

 

[kjironman1]

They are estimating $101 million next year and $108 million the year after the last I saw.

Something tells me they will exceed expectations being they were short last year. But i have nothing other than a gut feeling on that.

 

[CupWizier]

This statement is rather ignorant as well.

The "Process" has been going on for 5-6 years. The Noah trade is not a first step... it's well down the line.
Half a step forward, two steps back, one step forward... and so on.

You are right, Rome did not get built in a day. Portland was in a good position to make the right deals, but made some really poor decisions to get them in the current situation.

I'm not convinced that NO has a long term plan that extends beyond 6-months.

No ignorance in my post, just reality. This team has not been together for 5-6 years so not sure why you brought that in. This team was put together the year after Aldridge left and yes, trading Noah was the first step in getting in a better position for future dealings.

 

[kjironman1]

No ignorance in my post, just reality. This team has not been together for 5-6 years so not sure why you brought that in. This team was put together the year after Aldridge left and yes, trading Noah was the first step in getting in a better position for future dealings.

This can go rounds here cup. he simply does not want to look at the facts here. Trying to say they are in the 6th year of a rebuild is crazy talk. Just sayin.

 

[tester551]

This can go rounds here cup. he simply does not want to look at the facts here. Trying to say they are in the 6th year of a rebuild is crazy talk. Just sayin.

I never said anything about a rebuild. I'm just pointing out that every choice made has repercussions.

NO has had several years to improve the team. Portland is in their current situation entirely because of those prior decisions.

 

[CupWizier]

Something tells me they will exceed expectations being they were short last year. But i have nothing other than a gut feeling on that.

Reports have come out about how well the league has been doing in TV ratings so that helps feed the BRI and possible increase the cap numbers.

I never said anything about a rebuild. I'm just pointing out that every choice made has repercussions.

NO has had several years to improve the team. Portland is in their current situation entirely because of those prior decisions.

and he has had to rebuild this team twice. The first year he got here and also the year after Aldridge left and still managed to keep the team competitive and in the playoffs. Not every decision will be perfect. and looking at the salaries of all the teams almost all playoff teams are $110 mil and higher which is right in there with where Portland is at. Currently Portland is 10th in salary and 12th in over all standings.

 

[CupWizier]

This can go rounds here cup. he simply does not want to look at the facts here. Trying to say they are in the 6th year of a rebuild is crazy talk. Just sayin.

Yeah, I hear you. We all want a championship and that takes some luck along the way and some patience. The constant bashing of coaches, GM's and even players just gets old.

 

[CupWizier]

Okay...starting....now!

somehow you got off my ignore list. See ya props. Off to cyberspace you go.

 

[BlayZa]

Yeah and your statement is rather ignorant to the process. Rome didn't get built in a day and there are necessary steps to get in a better situation to make the right deals. Trading Noah to get under the luxury step was just a first step.

where did signing meyers and evan turner fit into the Rome process?

 

[riverman]

where did signing meyers and evan turner fit into the Rome process?

 

[MARIS61]

 

[kjironman1]

I never said anything about a rebuild. I'm just pointing out that every choice made has repercussions.

NO has had several years to improve the team. Portland is in their current situation entirely because of those prior decisions.

This is what you said exactly "(The "Process" has been going on for 5-6 years. The Noah trade is not a first step... it's well down the line.
Half a step forward, two steps back, one step forward... and so on.)"
This implies that the "Process" has not changed and that every decision he has made has been part of his plan. That is simply not true. If Neil Olshey continues to put a team together and god forbid Lillard goes through a horrendous injury or even Nurkic/CJ would that be Olshey's fault? If he decides to give Lillard another max contract to keep him here but Dame decides to go to Golden State (His home by the way) is that on Olshey? These are things Neil has dealt with just in the last 3 years. And by the way please don't try to bring up Rolo or even Batum. Those players were not building blocks. More than 60% of the fan base wanted Nic Batum and his inconsistency gone.

 

[kjironman1]

I guess i got to ask. If CJ ruptures his Achiles Tendon next year do they still pay him max?
How about Nurkic? How much is he worth in contract negotiations if there is a question that he ever plays the same?

 

[B-Roy]

I guess i got to ask. If CJ ruptures his Achiles Tendon next year do they still pay him max?
How about Nurkic? How much is he worth in contract negotiations if there is a question that he ever plays the same?

They are already paying him the max.

 

[CupWizier]

where did signing meyers and evan turner fit into the Rome process?

You understand that "Rome wasn't built in a day" is a figure of speech don't you? Look up the definition as it might help you better understand.

 

[kjironman1]

They are already paying him the max.

CJ will be up for his next contract. So do they pay him or not? That is why i said "Next Year".
Then i asked about Nurkic this year.

 

[BlayZa]

You understand that "Rome wasn't built in a day" is a figure of speech don't you? Look up the definition as it might help you better understand.

sorry, didnt realise common sayings somehow became excuses for shit tier signings.

the questions still stands. where do meyers and ET fit into the 'good things take time' concept?

 

[KingSpeed]

This is what you said exactly "(The "Process" has been going on for 5-6 years. The Noah trade is not a first step... it's well down the line.
Half a step forward, two steps back, one step forward... and so on.)"
This implies that the "Process" has not changed and that every decision he has made has been part of his plan. That is simply not true. If Neil Olshey continues to put a team together and god forbid Lillard goes through a horrendous injury or even Nurkic/CJ would that be Olshey's fault? If he decides to give Lillard another max contract to keep him here but Dame decides to go to Golden State (His home by the way) is that on Olshey? These are things Neil has dealt with just in the last 3 years. And by the way please don't try to bring up Rolo or even Batum. Those players were not building blocks. More than 60% of the fan base wanted Nic Batum and his inconsistency gone.

I don't miss Batum at all. I was done with him after that Memphis series.

 

[hoopsjock]

CJ will be up for his next contract. So do they pay him or not? That is why i said "Next Year".
Then i asked about Nurkic this year.

CJ is under contract through the 2021 season.

 

[kjironman1]

CJ is under contract through the 2021 season.

I stand corrected. Still not the point. It's a very clear statement. If in the season of 2019-20 he goes down with a achiles tendon rupture do they pay him? Why is it that people stick to little side points.
This conversation is about Olshey rebuilding over 6 years or 3? LMA left. He could not change that. Mathews went down. He could not change that.
If Lillard and CJ leave and go down to injury this team will most certainly have to adjust. It would be the third rebuild in what would be considered 9 years. People on this board and others would be sitting here saying "9 years and no championship? FIRE OLSHEY!" When that shit ain't on him. Who gives a flying rats ass about when the contract comes up. If he or Nurk or Lillard go through devastating injury there will have to be changes made. If Lillard decides he wants to go play in his home town and try and get a ring? Who can stop him? Obviously not Olshey as was painfully clear when LMA left.

 

[CupWizier]

where did signing meyers and evan turner fit into the Rome process?

wow, you are really hung up on a simple figure of speech.

 

[Hoopguru]

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[ripcityboy]

The glaring conflict from the meeting (at least to me) in retrospect. The Dame/Allen dialog basically amounts too "What do we have to do to get some changes around here?" While Neil keeps saying to everyone that will hear, "We have a backcourt that 27 other teams would die to have. We don't have to make any changes!" Not saying the two parties are at odds with each other. But it is obvious Dame expects the team to get better within a certain time frame.

 

[riverman]

I'm still not convinced Dame asked Paul to bring in a star as much as he asked Paul not to trade Ed Davis......he said he voiced frustration at losing Will Barton...guys he clicked with that were traded...he said the same with Mo Williams before and Dorell Wright....guys he bonded with. I know he wants Ed Davis around the locker room and setting screens for him.

 

[Hoopguru]

I know they probably covered Davis & future plans, however, I think the real discussion was that Dame and Paul both know that of this team doesn't finish strong and make the playoffs in decent fashion, something significant will happen as the most of the conference is getting stronger. Im thinking (guessing) Dame wanted Paul to know that's how he views it and it would be necessary to probably trade one of him or CJ in order to regroup for year. They basically were bench marking their team against other and their trajectory as compared to others in that 3-12 spot.

 

[hoopsjock]

The glaring conflict from the meeting (at least to me) in retrospect. The Dame/Allen dialog basically amounts too "What do we have to do to get some changes around here?" While Neil keeps saying to everyone that will hear, "We have a backcourt that 27 other teams would die to have. We don't have to make any changes!" Not saying the two parties are at odds with each other. But it is obvious Dame expects the team to get better within a certain time frame.

But Dame is the one who at the trade deadline the previous two years has asked that the team not make any trades. He likely did the same this year with Ed Davis even though trading him might have been better for the Blazers long term if he isn't re-signed.

Free agency has pretty much become the players responsibility if you want big stars. Dame and CJ couldn't even convince Melo to come here. Meanwhile, Draymond Green gets Kevin Durant to come to a 73 win team and James Harden gets Chris Paul to come to a good Houston team. I'm not trying to let Olshey completely off the hook but he did at least try to bring in talent this off-season.

 

[BlayZa]

wow, you are really hung up on a simple figure of speech.

considering you're the one using it and are incapable of explaining its use in context to the ET and Meyers signings, the only hangup seems to be you and your justification for using it in the first place.

unless, of course, you don't believe they were good signings, are now basically un-tradable, and subsequently hold next to no benefit to the franchise, then i have no clue why you'd drop a 'trust the process' vibe, when it's fairly obvious the process is very commonly flawed.

tbh i dont trust this process, wtf would anyone?

happy to listen to the trust rationale if you can provide any