A repeated topic.......

[Rick2583]

With these two recent ceremonies of retired numbers I had to bring this up........

1) Martin - NO - Plaque only
3) Ruth - YES
4) Gehrig - YES
5) DiMaggio - YES
6) Torre - YES
7) Mantle - YES
8) Dickey - YES
8) Berra - YES
9) Maris - NO - plaque only
10) Rizzuto - NO - Plaque only
15 Munson - YES (Because his career was cut short)
16) Ford - YES
20) Posada - NO - plaque only
23) Mattingly - NO - Plaque only
32) Howard - YES - (broke the NY color barrier)
37) Stengel - NO - plaque only
44) Jackson - FUCK NO!!! Plaque only?
46) Pettitte - NO - plaque only
49) Guidry - NO - Plaque only
51) Williams - NO - plaque

Here's my thing with both Guidry & Pettitte,

Pettitte, Red Ruffing went 231-123 as a Yankee in 15 seasons with 4 straight 20 win seasons where he went a combined 82-33. Ruffing has only a plaque.

Guidry, Lefty Gomez went 189-101 over 13 seasons with 173 complete games. Gomez only got a plaque.

Okay, fire away.

 

[Mattingly23NY]

With these two recent ceremonies of retired numbers I had to bring this up........

1) Martin - NO - Plaque only
3) Ruth - YES-and - Statue (for the 1st Time, bring on the Statues)
4) Gehrig - YES - Statue
5) DiMaggio - YES
6) Torre - YES
7) Mantle - YES
8) Dickey - YES
8) Berra - YES
9) Maris - NO - plaque only
10) Rizzuto - NO - Plaque only
15 Munson - YES (Because his career was cut short)
16) Ford - YES
20) Posada - NO - plaque only
23) Mattingly - NO - Plaque and Statue at Main Entrance
32) Howard - YES - (broke the NY color barrier)
37) Stengel - YES
44) Jackson - FUCK NO!!! NO Plaque either? Amen, (how about a Straw & Glass ONLY
46) Pettitte - NO - plaque only
49) Guidry - NO - Plaque only
51) Williams - NO - plaque

Here's my thing with both Guidry & Pettitte,

Pettitte, Red Ruffing went 231-123 as a Yankee in 15 seasons with 4 straight 20 win seasons where he went a combined 82-33. Ruffing has only a plaque.

Guidry, Lefty Gomez went 189-101 over 13 seasons with 173 complete games. Gomez only got a plaque.

Okay, fire away.

Actually, I think you got it all right Rick, with the exception of Revisions in red font............ and You forgot Neon Deion Sanders.....

Deion deserves his own toilet, from all the barfing Fans having to watch His lame ass. I'll never ever forget, when Deion had the worst Batting Avg in both leagues at .158 .... and had the balls to ask for a effing raise......!!!

 

[Rick2583]

With all these numbers being retired & plaque's being given out Graig Nettles has to be thinking......."What am I wood"?

11 seasons, 250 HRs, 8 of 11 seasons with 20 or more & helped lead the team to 2 WS.

 

[Mattingly23NY]

With all these numbers being retired & plaque's being given out Graig Nettles has to be thinking......."What am I wood"?

11 seasons, 250 HRs, 8 of 11 seasons with 20 or more & helped lead the team to 2 WS.

Ah, I too overlooked 'Nails', Nettles, no doubt a great Thunder Alley player, who often caught lightning in a bottle.......

I met Nettles in 96, when He was here as the Mgr. of the Bakersfield Blaze, A+ Co-op Team........a great guy, humble, definitely not arrogant, and took time to talk, prior to the Team taking the field to warm up.......

 

[Rick2583]

I mean if you're giving away plaques like they're candy, Gossage, Martinez, Randolph etc, why not one for Nettles?

 

[yankeesince59]

...I know I'll take some heat but, Torre, no. He drove a Cadillac for several years...Yanx won in spite of him, not because of him.

...also, Howard ?...No. Let's face it, if he was not black he would not even be considered.

Howard; .274 .322 .427 .749
Posada ; .273 .374 .474 .848

 

[Yankeefan5545]

Stengel managed the Yankees from 1949 to 1960. His Yankees Teams won 5 consecutive World. Championships. Won the pennant every year but '54 and '59 and two additional Championships, best God Damn Manager that I saw with the Yankees. Joe Torre should have been fired after that disgraceful loss in '04.

 

[Yankeefan5545]

I mean if you're giving away plaques like they're candy, Gossage, Martinez, Randolph etc, why not one for Nettles?

Nettles my pick for franchise 3rd Baseman. Clete Boyer was good with the glove but Nettles got it done on both sides. His defensive plays in the '78 and '81 World Series ranked with the very best. Nine is retired via Maris but Nettles wore it also and he deserves his day.

 

[Rick2583]

...I know I'll take some heat but, Torre, no. He drove a Cadillac for several years...Yanx won in spite of him, not because of him.

...also, Howard ?...No. Let's face it, if he was not black he would not even be considered.

Howard; .274 .322 .427 .749
Posada ; .273 .374 .474 .848

I liked him as a player but..... I completely agree with this.

 

[Mattingly23NY]

Nettles my pick for franchise 3rd Baseman. Clete Boyer was good with the glove but Nettles got it done on both sides. His defensive plays in the '78 and '81 World Series ranked with the very best. Nine is retired via Maris but Nettles wore it also and he deserves his day.

Nettles 78 Series play as a true Thunder Alley Specialist, was very special, and every bit as mind boggling as Brooks Robinson's W.S. gems, or Seasonal gems......well damn close....!!

 

[Mattingly23NY]

I liked him as a player but..... I completely agree with this.

yeah that is a very good point, simply because he was the Yanx token 1st- black man, shouldn't warrant any exceptions......

although I enjoyed Howard overall as a kid, and was lucky enough to Yep, get his autograph on a 61 Topps; in Kansas City, on a day Elston did not play......

Yogi was in LF, (a position many overlook Yogi ever playing), and Blanchard was behind the plate.......that's a name we don't hear much of, ie, blanchard......

 

[yankeesince59]

Stengel managed the Yankees from 1949 to 1960. His Yankees Teams won 5 consecutive World. Championships. Won the pennant every year but '54 and '59 and two additional Championships, best God Damn Manager that I saw with the Yankees. Joe Torre should have been fired after that disgraceful loss in '04.

Nettles my pick for franchise 3rd Baseman. Clete Boyer was good with the glove but Nettles got it done on both sides. His defensive plays in the '78 and '81 World Series ranked with the very best. Nine is retired via Maris but Nettles wore it also and he deserves his day.

...yup

...and yup.

 

[Hammerojustice]

With these two recent ceremonies of retired numbers I had to bring this up........

1) Martin - NO - Plaque only
3) Ruth - YES
4) Gehrig - YES
5) DiMaggio - YES
6) Torre - YES
7) Mantle - YES
8) Dickey - YES
8) Berra - YES
9) Maris - NO - plaque only
10) Rizzuto - NO - Plaque only
15 Munson - YES (Because his career was cut short)
16) Ford - YES
20) Posada - NO - plaque only
23) Mattingly - NO - Plaque only
32) Howard - YES - (broke the NY color barrier)
37) Stengel - NO - plaque only
44) Jackson - FUCK NO!!! Plaque only?
46) Pettitte - NO - plaque only
49) Guidry - NO - Plaque only
51) Williams - NO - plaque

Here's my thing with both Guidry & Pettitte,

Pettitte, Red Ruffing went 231-123 as a Yankee in 15 seasons with 4 straight 20 win seasons where he went a combined 82-33. Ruffing has only a plaque.

Guidry, Lefty Gomez went 189-101 over 13 seasons with 173 complete games. Gomez only got a plaque.

Okay, fire away.

With these two recent ceremonies of retired numbers I had to bring this up.....

1) Martin - NO, not even a plaque IMO
3) Ruth - YES
4) Gehrig - YES
5) DiMaggio - YES
6) Torre - NO, plaque only IMO
7) Mantle - YES
8) Dickey - YES
8) Berra - YES
9) Maris - NO - plaque only
10) Rizzuto - NO - Plaque only
15 Munson - YES (Because his career was cut short)* See Mattingly*
16) Ford - YES
20) Posada - NO - plaque only
23) Mattingly - YES - *See Munson*
32) Howard - YES - (broke the NY color barrier)
37) Stengel - Yes IMO
44) Jackson - FUCK NO!!! Not even a plaque
46) Pettitte - NO - plaque only
49) Guidry - NO - Plaque only
51) Williams - NO - plaque

Here's my thing with both Guidry & Pettitte,

Pettitte, Red Ruffing went 231-123 as a Yankee in 15 seasons with 4 straight 20 win seasons where he went a combined 82-33. Ruffing has only a plaque.

Ruffing should have his number retired

Guidry, Lefty Gomez went 189-101 over 13 seasons with 173 complete games. Gomez only got a plaque.

Gomez should get number retired


**If Munson gets one because his career was cut short, why not Mattingly who had a bad back cut his career/productivity short???

 

[Rick2583]

With these two recent ceremonies of retired numbers I had to bring this up.....

1) Martin - NO, not even a plaque IMO
3) Ruth - YES
4) Gehrig - YES
5) DiMaggio - YES
6) Torre - NO, plaque only IMO
7) Mantle - YES
8) Dickey - YES
8) Berra - YES
9) Maris - NO - plaque only
10) Rizzuto - NO - Plaque only
15 Munson - YES (Because his career was cut short)* See Mattingly*
16) Ford - YES
20) Posada - NO - plaque only
23) Mattingly - YES - *See Munson*
32) Howard - YES - (broke the NY color barrier)
37) Stengel - Yes IMO
44) Jackson - FUCK NO!!! Not even a plaque
46) Pettitte - NO - plaque only
49) Guidry - NO - Plaque only
51) Williams - NO - plaque

Here's my thing with both Guidry & Pettitte,

Pettitte, Red Ruffing went 231-123 as a Yankee in 15 seasons with 4 straight 20 win seasons where he went a combined 82-33. Ruffing has only a plaque.

Ruffing should have his number retired

Guidry, Lefty Gomez went 189-101 over 13 seasons with 173 complete games. Gomez only got a plaque.

Gomez should get number retired


**If Munson gets one because his career was cut short, why not Mattingly who had a bad back cut his career/productivity short???

Mattingly wasn't tragically killed, though he may be if his team keeps playing like shit.

 

[cagedlion]

I want to be alive to see the first Yankee with the
'triple digit uniform number'. Retiring all these
numbers is so ridiculous.

IN THE YEAR 2135..........CF #57 LF #92 RF # 48
C # 97 1B #88 2B #63 SS # 41 3B # 79 P #96

My guess is that that may do away with numbers.

 

[Rick2583]

Honestly after Jeter I don't think we'll see another retired number for many years. Guys like Gardner & Teixeira WAY down the road MAY get a plaque if they end up with decent Yankee numbers.

 

[Mattingly23NY]

Mattingly wasn't tragically killed, though he may be if his team keeps playing like shit.

I will never forget being slammed, time and time again, all week long. On the BSPN baords, when we were talking about this issue, the HOF, et al.. I said, and tried to present a case, that Donnie BB should be in the HOF, IF Kirby fkng Puckett could make it in, so should Donnie, altho' fate would have it, Kirby got a World Series Ring, damn near a pre=requisite, lest some cases, ........there's many HOF'rs who never won a WS; plenty in fact, those many who came close, but lost in Critical Series, that could of gone either way........

 

[Hammerojustice]

Mattingly wasn't tragically killed, though he may be if his team keeps playing like shit.

No, but his career & productivity were cut short because of injury... If you make an exception for 1 Captain, why not another Captain who was a fan favorite???

 

[Mattingly23NY]

I want to be alive to see the first Yankee with the
'triple digit uniform number'. Retiring all these
numbers is so ridiculous.

IN THE YEAR 2135..........CF #57 LF #92 RF # 48
C # 97 1B #88 2B #63 SS # 41 3B # 79 P #96

My guess is that that may do away with numbers.

Roman Numerals or Micro Chips....?

 

[Rick2583]

With these two recent ceremonies of retired numbers I had to bring this up........

1) Martin - NO - Plaque only
3) Ruth - YES
4) Gehrig - YES
5) DiMaggio - YES
6) Torre - YES
7) Mantle - YES
8) Dickey - YES
8) Berra - YES
9) Maris - NO - plaque only
10) Rizzuto - NO - Plaque only
15 Munson - YES (Because his career was cut short)
16) Ford - YES
20) Posada - NO - plaque only
23) Mattingly - NO - Plaque only
32) Howard - YES - (broke the NY color barrier)
37) Stengel - NO - plaque only
44) Jackson - FUCK NO!!! Plaque only?
46) Pettitte - NO - plaque only
49) Guidry - NO - Plaque only
51) Williams - NO - plaque

Here's my thing with both Guidry & Pettitte,

Pettitte, Red Ruffing went 231-123 as a Yankee in 15 seasons with 4 straight 20 win seasons where he went a combined 82-33. Ruffing has only a plaque.

Guidry, Lefty Gomez went 189-101 over 13 seasons with 173 complete games. Gomez only got a plaque.

Okay, fire away.

Was trying to put a lineup together of retired numbers but realized that we're missing a left fielder & a 3rd baseman. Granted with DiMaggio in CF we could stick Mantle in left since he played around 130 games there in his career. And we could put Torre at 3rd since he played over 500 games there. So this is what I came up with......

SS - Phil Rizzuto
C - Yogi Berra
1B - Lou Gehrig
RF - Babe Ruth
LF - Mickey Mantle
CF - Joe DiMaggio
DH - Reggie Jackson
3B - Joe Torre
2B - Billy Martin

Not a bad lineup, I think we could we a few games here.

Pitchers = Whitey Ford, Ron Guidry & Andy Pettitte.

 

[Hammerojustice]

Was trying to put a lineup together of retired numbers but realized that we're missing a left fielder & a 3rd baseman. Granted with DiMaggio in CF we could stick Mantle in left since he played around 130 games there in his career. And we could put Torre at 3rd since he played over 500 games there. So this is what I came up with......

SS - Phil Rizzuto
C - Yogi Berra
1B - Lou Gehrig
RF - Babe Ruth
LF - Mickey Mantle
CF - Joe DiMaggio
DH - Reggie Jackson
3B - Joe Torre
2B - Billy Martin

Not a bad lineup, I think we could we a few games here.

Pitchers = Whitey Ford, Ron Guidry & Andy Pettitte.

Add in Ruffing & Gomez to round out the starting 5 and have Mariano in the pen

 

[Rick2583]

Add in Ruffing & Gomez to round out the starting 5 and have Mariano in the pen

Yeah if you threw in plaque members that would make an awesome pitching staff. Near unbeatable I'd say.

 

[totus44]

Question....how do you think Ruth would perform against 2015 pitching?

 

[Rick2583]

Honestly with guys like Ruth, Gehrig, Williams etc. I really don't think it would matter all that much.

 

[Mattingly23NY]

I mean if you're giving away plaques like they're candy, Gossage, Martinez, Randolph etc, why not one for Nettles?

What - there giving out Candy too, a novel idea, .......

they might as well.....

 

[totus44]

Honestly with guys like Ruth, Gehrig, Williams etc. I really don't think it would matter all that much.

But they didn't face the velocities or breaking stuff that hitters today experience.

 

[yankeesince59]

...it's somewhat of a conundrum.

...how do you think the spoiled prima donnas of today would have fared in the 20's and 30's?

 

[totus44]

...it's somewhat of a conundrum.

...how do you think the spoiled prima donnas of today would have fared in the 20's and 30's?

On buses and trains, etc. Sure, there is some reciprocity when you look at the entire experience. Time travel Ruth into today's lineup and say Mike Trout back to 1927. Who has the bigger year?

Of course now Rob is going to be up all hours working on this.....Rob you can borrow this

 

[Mattingly23NY]

On buses and trains, etc. Sure, there is some reciprocity when you look at the entire experience. Time travel Ruth into today's lineup and say Mike Trout back to 1927. Who has the bigger year?

Of course now Rob is going to be up all hours working on this.....Rob you can borrow this

How did you know I'd get back out of bed at 1 am, after plugging in the flux capacitor? Of course, I couldn't sleep til I tried it.......

If we sent Ruth into this era today, and Mike Trout back to 1927, both would fall short to the legendary Iron Horse, Lou Gehrig.....

those are my calculations, and notes; using the capacitor of course. Noteworthy:
I saw

Josh Gibson was playing for the NY Giants, and looked like Al Jolson, only he had a mimes make up white powder all over his face, not just around the mouth. Josh had 1 HR shy of Ruth, each year until 1930, when He hit 128 HR's, wound up with 1,015 Lifetime HR's, but was expelled from the HOF, all his records stripped, due to using Performance Enhancing Cream/Make Up Powder, (MLB latter found the face powder to be Nose Candy, ie Cocaine).......

Trout was hit by a Pitch in the head, by Carl Hubbell; in 1st week of 27, and could never play another game, sadly all he can say today is: "Can you point me to Poughkeepsie"......!?

Ruth, opting to play with this Years Yanx, was leading MLB in HR's by the All Star Break, with 62, but disappeared on a night train to Chicago, last seen with 10 dancing girls a crate of Rye Whiskey, 10 boxes of Havana Cigars, and is still MIA........It's rumored he got off the train, somewhere in Pennsultucky, where he to visit a great great Grandson, named Hammer.......

How do you turn this thing off.......???

 

[Mattingly23NY]

BTW- The Flux Capacitor allowed me to get a Pic of Rick, as a Young Kid, compare to the last picture, which is his 2015 Costco Membership Card Pic.....

1918-Rick:



Rick- Current Photo: