A trade I suggested in another forum

[Orion Bailey]

What the hell is this other forum crap?!? Are you cheating on us?

He must live in Utah.

 

[Chris Craig]

I also post on an israeli forum about basketball and I asked Celtic fans if they would make this trade:

Aminu and Davis
For
Kelly Olynyk

They seem to be very open to this idea.

What do you think?

Why? Just.....why?

 

[Blazer4ever]

What the hell is this other forum crap?!? Are you cheating on us?

It's a forum about everything basketball, in hebrew. They all know me as a Blazers fan

 

[Boob-No-More]

We have too many bigs, another stretch 4 in Harkless, it's a 2-for-1 and an upgrade IMO

I have no idea why you even wasted your time proposing this. It's not even remotely possible. Olynyk makes $3,094,014. Aminu makes $7,680,965 and Ed Davis makes $6,666,667. You'd need to add almost $10,000,000 in salary coming back from the Celtics to make this trade work under the CBA.

The only players on the Celtics roster who make that much are Al Horford (who that aren't trading) and Amir Jonhson - another big man. So much for your consolidation trade. Adding both Olynyk and Jonson would actually maker our font court logjam even worse. At least Aminu can, and will, see minutes at the 3. Olynyk and Johnson can only play the 4 and 5. So, the only way to make this trade work would be to ship out a 3/4 and a 4/5 and get two 4/5s back. So much for consolidation.

Of course, Boston could keep Johnson and send back even more players, but doing a 2 for 3 or 2 for 4 trade, given our current roster situation, makes absolutely no sense. It's the exact opposite of a consolation trade.

I'm with dviss on this one. Even if it were possible, I would not consider, for even one second trading either of Aminu or Davis straight up for Olynyk. Trading both (if possible) would be absolutely insane. They are both far better rebounders than Olynyk and at least as good defensively (I say better as they are more versatile defensively). We'd be shipping out 16.7 ppg and 13.5 rpg and getting back 10.0 ppg and 4.1 rpg. Olynyk does not fill a single need we have. He's a weak rebounding big that floats on the perimeter. His 10.7 TRB% puts him squarely in Bargnani territory as a rebounder. Yuck! We trade our starting 4 and an elite rebounder for a weak rebouding bench player. No thanks.

BNM

 

[Boob-No-More]

There aren't enough minutes for all the big men. Aminu and Harkless are both better suited to play the 4 which gives us too many inside players

So, go look at the Celtics roster and tell me who else they add to the trade to make the salaries match. They can't JUST send us Olynyk. The salaries don't even come close to matching. They either send us Olynyk and Amir Johnson or Olynyk and at least two more players. Both scenarios make playing time issues even worse than they might already be.

BNM

 

[PtldPlatypus]

So, go look at the Celtics roster and tell me who else they add to the trade to make the salaries match. They can't JUST send us Olynyk. The salaries don't even come close to matching. They either send us Olynyk and Amir Johnson or Olynyk and at least two more players. Both scenarios make playing time issues even worse than they might already be.

BNM

Well, they could always send Johnson and a 2nd round pick to Philly to make salaries match.

However, as you said, we don't benefit from dealing for Olynyk, so it's irrelevant.

 

[Blazer4ever]

Maybe they have cap room? Or trade exception?

So, go look at the Celtics roster and tell me who else they add to the trade to make the salaries match. They can't JUST send us Olynyk. The salaries don't even come close to matching. They either send us Olynyk and Amir Johnson or Olynyk and at least two more players. Both scenarios make playing time issues even worse than they might already be.

BNM

They can add Jerbeko at 5 mil. Maybe another player or two (Jordan Mickey?), some fillers

 

[Charcoal Filtered]

Well, they could always send Johnson and a 2nd round pick to Philly to make salaries match.

However, as you said, we don't benefit from dealing for Olynyk, so it's irrelevant.

Philly adds yet another big for merely a second? Would take another team.

Boston is probably not going to add salary for next year anyhow. That is part of the reason KO has not gotten an extension.

 

[PtldPlatypus]

Maybe they have cap room? Or trade exception?


They can add Jerbeko at 5 mil. Maybe another player or two (Jordan Mickey?), some fillers

Boston used all their cap room to sign free agents (like Horford). Any trade exceptions they might have had would have had to have been renounced. And no, adding Jerebko would not be enough to make it work.

It's OK to just admit that it was a bad idea.

 

[SlyPokerDog]

It's a forum about everything basketball, in hebrew. They all know me as a Blazers fan

Teach @HCP how to say Fams in hebrew and we'll give him to you.

 

[BonesJones]

I like him very much. It would be a consolidation trade, would sort out the rotation. He is not really a great inside scorer (plays away from the basket on offense) but his defense and his basketball IQ make him a great player

Dude the only point in a consolidation trade is to get a player that's BETTER than the ones your trading away.

 

[Denny Crane]

 

[BlazerWookee]

There aren't enough minutes for all the big men. Aminu and Harkless are both better suited to play the 4 which gives us too many inside players

Bollocks.

EDIT: My intent was to come back and edit in a much less snarky sounding rebuttal, but I got called away on a conference call. I'll try to complete tomorrow.

 

[Blazer4ever]

Teach @HCP how to say Fams in hebrew and we'll give him to you.

What is Fams, like family? Family of fans?
Family in hebrew is Mishpaha when the 2nd h is like a letter you don't really have in English. It's maybe like how you pronounce the g in Sergio Rodriguez

 

[Boob-No-More]

Maybe they have cap room? Or trade exception?


They can add Jerbeko at 5 mil. Maybe another player or two (Jordan Mickey?), some fillers

And how exactly is that a consolidation trade? If we take back more players than we send out, we'd need to cut players we already have on our roster just to make a bad trade work. No thanks.

One trade that does work, salary wise, is Olynyk for Ed Davis straight up, but why the hell would we do that? Davis is a better player and under on a longer contract - and he LOVES being here. I'm not sure how much stock I put in the ESPN Trade Machine's projected wins, in general, but in this case, I think it's pretty spot on: Boston +3 wins, Portland -2 wins.

BNM

 

[PDXFonz]

I also post on an israeli forum about basketball and I asked Celtic fans if they would make this trade:

Aminu and Davis
For
Kelly Olynyk

They seem to be very open to this idea.

What do you think?

I think you are nuts.

 

[HailBlazers]

OHHHHHHH HEEEEEEELLLLLLLLLL TO THE NO! I can only think of one sausage on this whole forum that would do that!

@MickZagger you wouldn't actually do that would you?

 

[rasheedfan2005]

Why exactly do you make that particular claim about Harkless? His stats last year certainly suggest that he's better at the 3.

http://www.82games.com/1516/15POR9.HTM#bypos

View attachment 10023

Other seasons in which he's played significant minutes show the same result.

http://www.82games.com/1314/13ORL8.HTM#bypos
http://www.82games.com/1213/12ORL9.HTM#bypos

So, I ask again--why would you say Harkless is better suited to play the 4 than the 3?

According to that chart if he plays 10 seconds at center everygame we go 82-0

 

[bodyman5000 and 1]

Right as I read this, the lyric of zombie barricades by The Company Band said "Are you fucking kidding me"


As if on cue.

 

[BonesJones]

Even on a positional basis this is bad. We have a logjam at center (Ezeli, Plumlee, Leonard), so why would we trade our two PFs (Aminu and Davis) for another C in Olynyk? Dumb dumb dumb.

 

[SlyPokerDog]

I would be interested in including Crabbe and making it a 3 team deal so we end up with Lebron.

 

[Strenuus]

Even on a positional basis this is bad. We have a logjam at center (Ezeli, Plumlee, Leonard), so why would we trade our two PFs (Aminu and Davis) for another C in Olynyk? Dumb dumb dumb.

That's it. Bring Tim Frazier back.

 

[jlprk]

I also post on an israeli forum about basketball and I asked Celtic fans if they would make this trade: Aminu and Davis For Kelly Olynyk

They seem to be very open to this idea. What do you think?

Damn, thanks for reminding me. I have a 2-for-1 Big Mac coupon that expires at closing time today and I need to high-tail over to McDonalds right now.

 

[BonesJones]

Damn, thanks for reminding me. I have a 2-for-1 Big Mac coupon that expires at closing time today and I need to high-tail over to McDonalds right now.

You should then consolidate those 2 Big Macs for a Small Fry scraped from the bottom of the fry bin.

 

[SlyPokerDog]

Damn, thanks for reminding me. I have a 2-for-1 Big Mac coupon that expires at closing time today and I need to high-tail over to McDonalds right now.

Get the McDonald's app and you'll have those all the time.

 

[jlprk]

I'd like to have Kelly, but not for that price. He was 8th in mpg on a .610 team. Aminu and Davis were 3rd and 7th on a .537 team. For them, we should at least get an established starter. At least I got a cherry tart tonight.

 

[Pinwheel1]

Even on a positional basis this is bad. We have a logjam at center (Ezeli, Plumlee, Leonard), so why would we trade our two PFs (Aminu and Davis) for another C in Olynyk? Dumb dumb dumb.

Similar to Meyers he can't guard 4's on the perimeter and he kind of has a short wing span at (6' 9.75") for a center. (Leonard's is 7'3") So I am not sure which position he is best suited to play.

He can pass and has decent handles for a big and he can score, so its not like I think he sucks. I just would not want to lose the D that Aminu and Davis bring to the table.

 

[PtldPlatypus]

At least I got a cherry tart tonight.

That's no way to talk about Mrs. jlprk.

 

[Wizard Mentor]

Boston would have to include Marcus Smart in the deal.

 

[riverman]

At least I got a cherry tart tonight.