Aaron Brooks

[RudyFor3]

Wow, he scored 34 points and the Rockets needed every one of his points because Yao Ming was out. I really liked him at Oregon and wish he would have drafted him instead of Rudy.

 

[MrSelfDestruct]

Wow, he scored 34 points and the Rockets needed every one of his points because Yao Ming was out. I really liked him at Oregon and wish he would have drafted him instead of Rudy.

You may want to take that up with Phoenix then.

But I agree, Brooks has played reasonably well in the Playoffs.

 

[julius]

Wow, he scored 34 points and the Rockets needed every one of his points because Yao Ming was out. I really liked him at Oregon and wish he would have drafted him instead of Rudy.

I don't. But than again, I don't base things off of 1 or 2 games. Because realistically, he's had 2 good playoff games this year.

 

[BlazerBeav]

A streak shooter who has had two good playoff games and you're wishing we had him instead of Rudy? People should back away from the keyboard and breathe before posting.

 

[igotask8board]

A streak shooter who has had two good playoff games ...Rudy?

I agree.

 

[sabas4mvp]

I went to Oregon and graduated the year after brooks did, so I am a massive brooks fan. I would LOVE to have him on our team as a backup PG, not a starter. He is inconsistent, but his senior year at Oregon he was at times unstoppable and dominant. Give him a few more years and I think he will be a very good PG. He just needs to make better decision sometimes. He is a scoring PG though... Aaron Iverson

 

[MAS RipCity]

Brooks is beast, but Bayless will be better and is what..4 years younger?

 

[retroblazers]

why not just sign nate robinson, isn't he a FA with pretty much the same game?

 

[Minstrel]

I agree.

The difference is, Rudy was above average during the regular season while Brooks wasn't.

 

[Mediocre Man]

Blake is better, just ask half the fans here. LOL

 

[julius]

Blake is better, just ask half the fans here. LOL

And I bet if you asked half of the Houston fans, they'd probably LOL at the reverse of that question.

 

[Mediocre Man]

And I bet if you asked half of the Houston fans, they'd probably LOL at the reverse of that question.

I don't think so, but I see where you are coming from for sure. Brooks is a 1 year vet though, and Blake is a seasoned vet. I think that along with the fact that Brooks has raised his play so much in the post season while Blake struggled so much also would weigh on their fans minds.

 

[julius]

I don't think so, but I see where you are coming from for sure. Brooks is a 1 year vet though, and Blake is a seasoned vet. I think that along with the fact that Brooks has raised his play so much in the post season while Blake struggled so much also would weigh on their fans minds.

is "struggled" slang for "sucked crap"?

 

[Mediocre Man]

is "struggled" slang for "sucked crap"?

I didn't want the kool aid drinking Blake supporters to get their panties in a bunch, but yes.

 

[<-=*PdX*=->]

Wow, he scored 34 points and the Rockets needed every one of his points because Yao Ming was out. I really liked him at Oregon and wish he would have drafted him instead of Rudy.

Says the guys whose SN is "RudyFor3"?

 

[rocketeer]

I don't think so, but I see where you are coming from for sure. Brooks is a 1 year vet though, and Blake is a seasoned vet. I think that along with the fact that Brooks has raised his play so much in the post season while Blake struggled so much also would weigh on their fans minds.

has brooks really raised his game that much in the playoffs?

as a starter - 13.2 points, 3.8 assists, 2.4 rebounds, 40% shooting, and 38% from 3 in 31 minutes
playoffs #s - 16.5 points, 3.5 assists, 2.7 rebounds, 46% shooting, and 41% from 3 in 33 minutes

obviously his numbers are a little better in the playoffs but until his huge game 4 against the lakers, the numbers were almost identical to his numbers since he became the starter.

 

[Mediocre Man]

has brooks really raised his game that much in the playoffs?

as a starter - 13.2 points, 3.8 assists, 2.4 rebounds, 40% shooting, and 38% from 3 in 31 minutes
playoffs #s - 16.5 points, 3.5 assists, 2.7 rebounds, 46% shooting, and 41% from 3 in 33 minutes

obviously his numbers are a little better in the playoffs but until his huge game 4 against the lakers, the numbers were almost identical to his numbers since he became the starter.

Let's take that game out of it then

14.5 points, 3.4 assists, 2.6 rebounds, 43% shooting and 40 % from 3 in 32 minutes

Still better across the board other than assists, and not as you say "almost identical"

 

[pakman22]

Let's take that game out of it then

14.5 points, 3.4 assists, 2.6 rebounds, 43% shooting and 40 % from 3 in 32 minutes

Still better across the board other than assists, and not as you say "almost identical"

That is almost identical. That's not a NOTICEABLE difference.

 

[Minstrel]

Still better across the board other than assists, and not as you say "almost identical"

Better, but almost identical. Basically, 1 point better on slightly better shooting. Assists and rebounds are virtually identical.

Looking at advanced numbers:

Brooks had a 12.9 PER for the regular season and has a 13.6 PER in the playoffs. That includes the most recent Lakers game. A less than 1 PER difference is negligible, especially over such a tiny sample size as this year's playoffs.

Brooks hasn't been much better in the playoffs or even that good. A couple of big games has completely skewed perceptions of his value.

 

[The Dream]

A streak shooter who has had two good playoff games and you're wishing we had him instead of Rudy? People should back away from the keyboard and breathe before posting.

Take it from a guy who used to hate Brooks, but now loves him....dude has the ability to be a really special player. He's basically in his rookie season, because he didn't hardly see the floor last year. When he's in "attack" mode he can be very good. The problem comes when he's hesitant and thinks too much. I think some of that will go away with more experience. But there's a reason why we traded Rafer in order to start him.

 

[Mediocre Man]

Better, but almost identical. Basically, 1 point better on slightly better shooting. Assists and rebounds are virtually identical.

Looking at advanced numbers:

Brooks had a 12.9 PER for the regular season and has a 13.6 PER in the playoffs. That includes the most recent Lakers game. A less than 1 PER difference is negligible, especially over such a tiny sample size as this year's playoffs.

Brooks hasn't been much better in the playoffs or even that good. A couple of big games has completely skewed perceptions of his value.

I don't think you guys are giving him nearly enough credit. His FG ad 3pt % have gone up 3 and 2% respectively. That is huge IMO. For example, if all of the Blazers had as virtually identical as Brooks has to their own regular season numbers we would be playing the L*akers right now instead of Houston.

 

[BoBoBREWSKI]

Brooks in the red suit and bow tie the other night was hilarious. His teammates played a joke on him and told him that they all where going to wear red suits for the press conference after the game.

 

[Wizard Mentor]

Brooks is beast, but Bayless will be better and is what..4 years younger?

Maybe. Bayless will never be as good a shooter as Brooks is, nor will he be as quick. Really, Bayless is still an
unknown quantity for the most part, but he has a lot of potential. Ultimately, I hope you're right, but he's not there yet.

 

[MAS RipCity]

Maybe. Bayless will never be as good a shooter as Brooks is, nor will he be as quick. Really, Bayless is still an
unknown quantity for the most part, but he has a lot of potential. Ultimately, I hope you're right, but he's not there yet.

O'rlly? Please, go back and watch high school tape and games at UA. Bayless is a great shooter. Maybe not the 3 pt shooter that Brooks is, but definitely a better mid-range shooter. Do not just base his game off of one rookie year. With his work ethic, there is no doubt in my mind he will be a star in this league.

 

[hasoos]

The difference is, Rudy was above average during the regular season while Brooks wasn't.

I completely disagree with this Minstrel. Look I know we watch Portland most of the time, but Aaron Brooks jumped into a starter role this year and played great in that role. If anything, I think it is the other way around. See, I seem to remember Rudy struggling through large sections of the season, especially when he supposedly hit that "rookie wall". The facts are Houston traded away their starting PG and put Brooks in because he was playing well. I don't seem to remember anybody being moved out of the starting lineup in Portland so that Rudy could be inserted into the starting lineup.

The facts are, if Portland players were as good as the fans on this board made them out to be, they would still be in the playoffs. They aren't. That goes to show, there is a lot more to a basketball team than the list of talent on the roster. Houston is a prime example of that. Their "nobodies" outplayed our wonderful "KP drafted talent", and that is a fact.

 

[Masbee]

I completely disagree with this Minstrel. Look I know we watch Portland most of the time, but Aaron Brooks jumped into a starter role this year and played great in that role. If anything, I think it is the other way around. See, I seem to remember Rudy struggling through large sections of the season, especially when he supposedly hit that "rookie wall". The facts are Houston traded away their starting PG and put Brooks in because he was playing well. I don't seem to remember anybody being moved out of the starting lineup in Portland so that Rudy could be inserted into the starting lineup.

The facts are, if Portland players were as good as the fans on this board made them out to be, they would still be in the playoffs. They aren't. That goes to show, there is a lot more to a basketball team than the list of talent on the roster. Houston is a prime example of that. Their "nobodies" outplayed our wonderful "KP drafted talent", and that is a fact.

Wow.

Teams trade players for lots of reasons.

Brooks and Alston were about equal in terms of effectiveness this season. But, they were different kinds of players. Altson was a better defender. Brooks was a better (but streaky) offensive player. The Rockets were already an excellent defensive team and obviously wanted to go with a more explosive offensive threat and a much younger player.

As for comparing Brooks "beating out" Altson to Rudy not forcing a trade of Brandon Roy - well, I can't even fathom why you would make such a point as it is so completely absurd.

Of course Rudy didn't force the Blazers to trade Roy. A rookie Ray Allen wouldn't have done that.

08-09 Season:

PER:
Rudy 15.4
Brooks 12.9

Offensive Rating
Rudy 120
Brooks 105

Defensive Rating
Rudy 109
Brooks 108

Win Shares
Rudy 5.8
Brooks 3.6

 

[hasoos]

Wow.

Teams trade players for lots of reasons.

Brooks and Alston were about equal in terms of effectiveness this season. But, they were different kinds of players. Altson was a better defender. Brooks was a better (but streaky) offensive player. The Rockets were already an excellent defensive team and obviously wanted to go with a more explosive offensive threat and a much younger player.

As for comparing Brooks "beating out" Altson to Rudy not forcing a trade of Brandon Roy - well, I can't even fathom why you would make such a point as it is so completely absurd.

Of course Rudy didn't force the Blazers to trade Roy. A rookie Ray Allen wouldn't have done that.

08-09 Season:

PER:
Rudy 15.4
Brooks 12.9

Offensive Rating
Rudy 120
Brooks 105

Defensive Rating
Rudy 109
Brooks 108

Win Shares
Rudy 5.8
Brooks 3.6

First of all you made the jump about Rudy surplanting Roy in the starting lineup. I never suggested that, you just tried to put words in my mouth. All I said is that on HIS team that he was able to surplant the starter with his good play, which attests to his level of play. That has to do with Houston, and Houstons situation. It has nothing to do with Rudy's situation in Portland.

Secondly, throw out all the stats you want. You obviously didn't read anything I said about it's not the list of wonderful talent you have on paper, it's what you get done on the court. Is Rudy in the second round? What are the stats of Rudy in the 2nd round as compared to Brooks? Oh that's right. Rudy didn't maket it to the second round.

Why don't you throw up the stats of how they did in the playoffs, instead of just the numbers you listed up above? Is it because Brooks is averaging 16.5 pts and 3.5 assist and Rudy averaged 7.5 and 1 assist? Talk about being selective.

 

[DaRizzle]

Aaron Brooks can go to hell

 

[Minstrel]

The difference is, Rudy was above average during the regular season while Brooks wasn't.

I completely disagree with this Minstrel.

Why don't you throw up the stats of how they did in the playoffs, instead of just the numbers you listed up above? Is it because Brooks is averaging 16.5 pts and 3.5 assist and Rudy averaged 7.5 and 1 assist? Talk about being selective.

The point I made that you disagreed with (as captured above) was that Rudy was above average during the regular season, while Brooks wasn't. Regular season. Why would playoff stats have anything to do with that point?

Secondly, throw out all the stats you want. You obviously didn't read anything I said about it's not the list of wonderful talent you have on paper, it's what you get done on the court.

Stats are a record of what "you get done on the court."

Is Rudy in the second round? What are the stats of Rudy in the 2nd round as compared to Brooks? Oh that's right. Rudy didn't maket it to the second round.

What's the relevance? I said that Rudy was an above average player during the regular season (a much larger sample size than the playoffs) and Brooks wasn't. I wasn't doing an analysis of which player was on the better team. Rudy is a better player than Brooks. Rudy having a poor six games in his first ever playoff experience while Brooks had two great playoff games (but has otherwise been very mediocre in the playoffs) doesn't mean a whole lot.

 

[Masbee]

First of all you made the jump about Rudy surplanting Roy in the starting lineup. I never suggested that, you just tried to put words in my mouth.

Well, if that is not what you were implying then your point is lost on me. What the fuck ARE you tying to say then? Do you even have a point worth making here?

All I said is that on HIS team that he was able to surplant the starter with his good play, which attests to his level of play.

Don't think so. It says as much about the fact that the Rockets were rolling with a marginal starter at Brooks' position. As a 20 something pick and a still young player, Brooks has done well. Looked at objectively against the pool of NBA PGs, he is very streaky, and overall below average so far as a starter in his career.

That has to do with Houston, and Houstons situation. It has nothing to do with Rudy's situation in Portland.

Yet you were the one who implied that Rudy wasn't all that because he didn't do the same thing that Brooks did. Still stands as a stupid point in my book. If you want to compare apples to oranges go right ahead. Makes you look silly in the fruit department.

Secondly, throw out all the stats you want. You obviously didn't read anything I said about it's not the list of wonderful talent you have on paper, it's what you get done on the court. Is Rudy in the second round? What are the stats of Rudy in the 2nd round as compared to Brooks? Oh that's right. Rudy didn't maket it to the second round.

"Scoreboard". That's all you have. That is what Jackass Laker fans say. Why say it? It is so completely moronic.

If you think the Rockets are in the 2nd round BECAUSE of Brooks and the Blazers are not BECAUSE of Rudy, you.....ahhhhg. Forget it. Not worth it.

Why don't you throw up the stats of how they did in the playoffs, instead of just the numbers you listed up above? Is it because Brooks is averaging 16.5 pts and 3.5 assist and Rudy averaged 7.5 and 1 assist? Talk about being selective.

Small sample size. Duh. Do you know anything about stats?

And, yes, it's true, Brooks has stepped it up in the playoffs and Rudy laid an egg. That isn't news. Ok?

So here you go:

Playoff Advanced Stats:

PER:
Rudy 11.3
Brooks 16.2

Offensive Rating
Rudy 102
Brooks 112

Defensive Rating
Rudy 109
Brook 111

Win Shares
Rudy (6 games) .2 (.033 per game)
Brooks (10 games) .8 (.080 per game)

These stats show: Rudy stunk, and Brooks stats are good, but not particularly impressive.

THESE are impressive playoff stats for a Point Guard:

PER: 25.8
Offensive Rating: 142
Defensive Rating: 105
Win Shares (9 games): 2.4 (.266 per game)

Chauncey Billups