Accept Miami Deal or bring Lillard to Camp?

[blazerkor]

someone who is good at the economy please help me negotiate this. my franchise is dying

I feel like if we put the screws to Miami and that would mean we'd have to get legit offers from Toronto and/or Brooklyn, then I think this trade could really happen. I'd even back off of the Heat's 2024 pick if needed. I realize this puts us into the tax but we could address that with another trade, I know our ownership isn't paying taxes for a rebuilding team.

 

[SharpesTriumph]

someone who is good at the economy please help me negotiate this. my franchise is dying

If the Blazers could get 5 firsts 2 swaps plus Jovic and Jaquez then hell yes they should do that. Thats much different than what is in the ESPN article.

 

[PtldPlatypus]

If the Blazers could get 5 firsts 2 swaps plus Jovic and Jaquez then hell yes they should do that. Thats much different than what is in the ESPN article.

Yeah..the premise that Herro and Martin would return Simmons and 2 firsts seems a tad unrealistic.

Edit: If Brooklyn would be willing to do that, Miami should just make that deal and go into the season with Lowry/Butler/Robinson/Simmons/Bam. That team's defense would be stifling.

 

[SharpesTriumph]

I feel like if we put the screws to Miami and that would mean we'd have to get legit offers from Toronto and/or Brooklyn, then I think this trade could really happen. I'd even back off of the Heat's 2024 pick if needed. I realize this puts us into the tax but we could address that with another trade, I know our ownership isn't paying taxes for a rebuilding team.
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Sounds like the Heat don't want to give up Martin or that 3rd pick. It also would require a 4th team in OKC to agree to modifications.

I doubt Brooklyn would want to give up those two firsts. They also might not want to assist in Dame going to Miami as it helps a rival and removes the possibility of them getting Dame.

Yes I pull that trigger from Portland's end.

 

[Samuel]

If the Blazers could get 5 firsts 2 swaps plus Jovic and Jaquez then hell yes they should do that. Thats much different than what is in the ESPN article.

I'm not presuming the non-Bam offer is realistic, I'm including it because its roughly the max of what Miami could do for Dame sans Bam. Taking Nurk, sending out Martin, Herro and the 2 young players.

Where it would land is somewhere in between the far right and the far left. But those are the two technical poles.

 

[blazerkor]

Yeah..the premise that Herro and Martin would return Simmons and 2 firsts seems a tad unrealistic. If it could, Miami should just make that deal and go into the season with Lowry/Butler/Robinson/Simmons/Bam. That team's defense would be stifling.

I think Herro and Martin are each worth a first and I still think Ben has to have neutral value both around the league and to the Nets who actually cut salary in this move and will have a lot of cap space next summer. Ben put out the same kind of workout videos last off season and the proceeded to be a non factor when the season came.

Obviously I have no actual idea what any of these players' values are but I think it's reasonable that Herro and Martin would be the Nets starting back court and that would be worth Simmons and two firsts.

 

[blazerfan11]

Because Nurk is a cancer and needs to go. Getting rid of him is addition by subtraction.

What the hell. Nurk is not a cancer.
He's one of the players who will benefit from a shift to more pushing the pace and ball movement on offense.

In the last game of last season before The Tank, Nurk shot 7-12 in Utah against the celebrated Walker Kessler.
The team played great in the absence of Anfernee Simons, giving Dame and Sharpe a chance to play without him.
If there was a "cancer" in the offense, it was Simons who wasn't missed at all.

Check out this Dime Nurkic drops to Dame darting to the hoop. THIS is what Jusuf Nurkic is all about. He's not the one stagnating or dumbing-down the offense.
Then Dame returns the favor to Nurkic on the next highlight.

Watch this entire video and tell me you see a cancer.
I see a pretty good rebounder who loves to pass to cutters.

 

[Samuel]

I think Herro and Martin are each worth a first and I still think Ben has to have neutral value both around the league and to the Nets who actually cut salary in this move and will have a lot of cap space next summer. Ben put out the same kind of workout videos last off season and the proceeded to be a non factor when the season came.

Obviously I have no actual idea what any of these players' values are but I think it's reasonable that Herro and Martin would be the Nets starting back court and that would be worth Simmons and two firsts.

I think patience is still the move for Marks. The contract length isn't that bad anymore and there's still a very outside chance he's not terrible next year. They can always deal him at the deadline when the contract is even shorter.

 

[blazerkor]

Sounds like the Heat don't want to give up Martin or that 3rd pick. It also would require a 4th team in OKC to agree to modifications.

I doubt Brooklyn would want to give up those two firsts. They also might not want to assist in Dame going to Miami as it helps a rival and removes the possibility of them getting Dame.

Yes I pull that trigger from Portland's end.

I don't think Brooklyn would do the Heat any favors but if they see this team they are building as having their contending window opening up in a few years while getting playoff experience now, then I doubt they care if the Heat are good for the next couple of seasons and then fall off. It just depends on what they think of Herro and Martin, if they think their future starting lineup is Herro, Martin, Bridges, Johnson, Claxton then I think the two firsts and ending the Ben Simmons experiment would make sense for them.

 

[blazerfan11]

Here is a possession that shows what ball movement can do for Nurkic and the Blazers, and why I think Dame and Scoot should be a very effective backcourt.

The hockey assist is set up for Dame to pass to Watford, then to Nurkic. Scoot will look for that same pass that Watford made.

Scoot will likely have many options after that pass from Dame.

The next highlight shows the Blazers making passes from Dame to Thybulle to Nurkic to Watford for a layup. Who doesn't love this kind of Blazer basketball?

 

[wizenheimer]

Marks should recuse himself from reporting on Dame because dude blew his career making the Wallace/#6 trade

pretty sure that was Billy King, not Marks

 

[Phatguysrule]

Dame is a Blazer. He's under contract for several more years.

Makes no sense to trade him unless we're getting an absolute HAUL.

 

[Samuel]

pretty sure that was Billy King, not Marks

Marks was on King's staff—assistant GM of the Nets. Eek. Probably even called that sucker in.

 

[CJ_is_Gone]

I feel like if we put the screws to Miami and that would mean we'd have to get legit offers from Toronto and/or Brooklyn, then I think this trade could really happen. I'd even back off of the Heat's 2024 pick if needed. I realize this puts us into the tax but we could address that with another trade, I know our ownership isn't paying taxes for a rebuilding team.
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The Heat 24 pick cant be obtained without including OKC to change the protections of the Miami 25 pick.

Here is one that fixes that & also keeps Portland out of the tax. It says the trade is not approved due to the Steipen Rule -> but that's not an issue when Miami get's PHX'25 pick.

 

[kjironman1]

What the hell. Nurk is not a cancer.
He's one of the players who will benefit from a shift to more pushing the pace and ball movement on offense.

In the last game of last season before The Tank, Nurk shot 7-12 in Utah against the celebrated Walker Kessler.
The team played great in the absence of Anfernee Simons, giving Dame and Sharpe a chance to play without him.
If there was a "cancer" in the offense, it was Simons who wasn't missed at all.

Check out this Dime Nurkic drops to Dame darting to the hoop. THIS is what Jusuf Nurkic is all about. He's not the one stagnating or dumbing-down the offense.
Then Dame returns the favor to Nurkic on the next highlight.

Watch this entire video and tell me you see a cancer.
I see a pretty good rebounder who loves to pass to cutters.

Nobody is saying Nurk isn't talented. We all have seen him have good games.
The problem is bad Nurk not good Nurk. When he's bad he's really really bad and he takes the whole team with him.
That is what I call a cancer.

Not to mention he can't stay healthy to save his life.

 

[BonesJones]

Best offer is four 1sts, two swaps, Jovic, Jaquez and an expiring.

 

[HoopsFanAZ]

Assuming Miami gets their owed pick back, then 24, 26, 28, and 30 with 2 pick swaps (Blazers' choice) + Jovic + Jaquez + a comparable but better fitting front court player (acquired in Miami's trade of Herro) ... then should the Blazers accept?
Maybe. But since Miami hasn't offered EVERYTHING nor do I expect them to do so ... THEN there is NO Miami trade. Lillard remains a Blazer or he is traded elsewhere.

The original trade of Nurkic to Miami as well? And return Lowry's expiring contract? If you want the Blazers to lose at a historic level, then trading Nurkic without returning an actual, youngish, starting big man fits that plan.

 

[RonBrewer]

At this point, Fuck Pat Riley, Fuck Jimmy Butler, Fuck Bam and fuck the Heat fans and Fentress.

Camp.

 

[BassPlaya]

How are we going to get to 300 pages if we make new threads about the same thing?

 

[blazerfan11]

Nobody is saying Nurk isn't talented. We all have seen him have good games.
The problem is bad Nurk not good Nurk. When he's bad he's really really bad and he takes the whole team with him.
That is what I call a cancer.

Not to mention he can't stay healthy to save his life.

Bad Nurk was when we had Norman Powell.

Good Nurk is when there's energy on the team. Like the 4-game winning streak in February 2022.

Bad Nurk means something's wrong with the team. Bad Nurk means stagnant offense.

 

[Mediocre Man]

How does Brooklyn view Simmons? Could we finagle something from them if we take him? Do they want him gone? Could we get Clowney somehow?

 

[Mediocre Man]

The offer is in bold at the start of the first post.

We will never know an actual offer as those are always private or unconfirmed. An ESPN front page article as listed here is as close as we'll get.

The real offer

 

[BankTeller]

The Heat 24 pick cant be obtained without including OKC to change the protections of the Miami 25 pick.

Here is one that fixes that & also keeps Portland out of the tax. It says the trade is not approved due to the Steipen Rule -> but that's not an issue when Miami get's PHX'25 pick.
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No way Nets do this. No way.

 

[CJ_is_Gone]

No way Nets do this. No way.

Why do you think its so bad for them?

It really depends upon what they think of Herro and/or Simmons.

The deal is basically
Herro for Simmons + 1 Phoenix pick

 

[Pinwheel1]

Why do you think its so bad for them?

It really depends upon what they think of Herro and/or Simmons.

The deal is basically
Herro for Simmons + 1 Phoenix pick

Which is why it is a bad deal for them. Simmons is better than Herro by himself. (or at least many think so ) They are not going to throw in a first-round pick as well.

 

[Whyachi]

No way Nets do this. No way.

Nets are keeping their picks. Sean Marks looks like a happy GM with a big bucket of picks. So happy in fact, he gave tank master Trendon Watford a tryout contract.

 

[beast blazer]

People talk about "4 first round picks" as being like the holy grail we're seeking, but Jovic and Jaquez were recent 1st round picks. Jovic had a really good showing in the tournament. So how getting two recent 1st round picks + 2 1st round picks different is that than getting 4 picks?

 

[Whyachi]

People talk about "4 first round picks" as being like the holy grail we're seeking, but Jovic and Jaquez were recent 1st round picks. Jovic had a really good showing in the tournament. So how getting two recent 1st round picks + 2 1st round picks different is that than getting 4 picks?

because they were picked by the crummy Heat, not by Joe Cronin and the Portland Trailblazers.

 

[kjironman1]

Bad Nurk was when we had Norman Powell.

Good Nurk is when there's energy on the team. Like the 4-game winning streak in February 2022.
Bad Nurk means something's wrong with the team. Bad Nurk means stagnant offense.

Actually bad Nurk is three games out of four when he is complaining to the refs constantly after missing easy layups while not getting back on defense and then chucking a three with 15 seconds on the clock for the second time down the court. Bad Nurk can’t focus on winning rather than whining. Bad Nurk can’t dunk from mor than two ft away from the basket and doesn’t even do that often.
Give me a hungry young center any day over Nurk. Softest big in the entire league.

 

[BankTeller]

People talk about "4 first round picks" as being like the holy grail we're seeking, but Jovic and Jaquez were recent 1st round picks. Jovic had a really good showing in the tournament. So how getting two recent 1st round picks + 2 1st round picks different is that than getting 4 picks?

Because who was picked at those picks actually matters. If you want to play that game,

Jovic, I’d say most of us would consider a welcomed young addition if a trade happens, so you can count that as a 1st. Jaquez would not have been my pick at the 18th pick—therefore it would be like he was worth no pick at all.