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With second base being there biggest hole you can expect the Yankees to deal for the A's Ben Zobrist who figures to become available. Zobrist is a 34 yr old switch hitter who can play 2B, RF & shortstop.

My thought, WTF?! looks like the kids are never going to get a chance. I don't know about this but I guess anyone would be better then Drew.

http://www.baseball-reference.com/players/z/zobribe01.shtml
 
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Rick2583 said:
With second base being there biggest hole you can expect the Yankees to deal for the A's Ben Zobrist who figures to become available. Zobrist is a 34 yr old switch hitter who can play 2B, RF & shortstop.

My thought, WTF?! looks like the kids are never going to get a chance. I don't know about this but I guess anyone would be better then Drew.

http://www.baseball-reference.com/players/z/zobribe01.shtml
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Fire Cashman now!
 
...the SS Cashman should have acquired is playing for the Pirates.
 
If that went down who would the Yankees have to give up. Zobrist is a nice player but he's on the wrong side of 30.L et him stay in Oakland, go back to Tampa, or maybe he can get on with his old buddy Maddon. Ah shit they want youth in Chicago. I say DFA Drew, lets those kids come up and boogie woogie and yeah fire Cashman as well.
 
How pathetic can this bullshit get? If this story is true,
Cashcrap needs to be shown the door. This move shows
how unrealistic this jackass is. The present Yankee roster
is so loaded with Championship quality......adding another
over 30 player just makes it better. Oh man....how
delusional is this organization.
 
cagedlion said:
How pathetic can this bullshit get? If this story is true,
Cashcrap needs to be shown the door. This move shows
how unrealistic this jackass is. The present Yankee roster
is so loaded with Championship quality......adding another
over 30 player just makes it better. Oh man....how
delusional is this organization.
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:biglaugh::roflmao:too good.....!!!

Yet, a direct Bullseye hit......! :devilwink:
 
cagedlion said:
How pathetic can this bullshit get? If this story is true,
Cashcrap needs to be shown the door. This move shows
how unrealistic this jackass is. The present Yankee roster
is so loaded with Championship quality......adding another
over 30 player just makes it better. Oh man....how
delusional is this organization.
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This was a "thought" by a NY Post sports writer in an article.

The Yankees being the Yankees, you can expect them to deal for a second baseman at some point. The A’s Ben Zobrist figures to be available.

Notice how he said: "you can expect them to deal for a second baseman at some point".
So it depends on WHO is doing the expecting.
The Yanks appear to be giving Pirela more playing time and there's only one way to find out what he can do - play him.
 
Rick2583 said:
With second base being there biggest hole you can expect the Yankees to deal for the A's Ben Zobrist who figures to become available. Zobrist is a 34 yr old switch hitter who can play 2B, RF & shortstop.

My thought, WTF?! looks like the kids are never going to get a chance. I don't know about this but I guess anyone would be better then Drew.

http://www.baseball-reference.com/players/z/zobribe01.shtml
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What kid? Pirela is getting a chance and failing. Refsnyder is failing in AAA. 11 errors 2 Home Runs, .733 OPS at age 24. I'm all for chances, but Im for those chances being earned. The 2B spot was there for the taking with Drew struggling. Pirela & Refsnyder are dropping the ball. I have no problem renting a Zobrist or looking at what it would take to get Dee Gordon & DJ LeMahieu if the price is right. I'd even take Prado back.
 
BigBlue2013FireTrashman said:
What kid? Pirela is getting a chance and failing. Refsnyder is failing in AAA. 11 errors 2 Home Runs, .733 OPS at age 24. I'm all for chances, but Im for those chances being earned. The 2B spot was there for the taking with Drew struggling. Pirela & Refsnyder are dropping the ball. I have no problem renting a Zobrist or looking at what it would take to get Dee Gordon & DJ LeMahieu if the price is right. I'd even take Prado back.
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Looks like Refsnyder's 2b defense is a serious enough detriment to keep him from already being here (2b) with the Yanks.
I haven't watched him play in the minors but I'm kinda guessing it could be obvious he would be too much of a risk at 2b?
He probably needs more work (reps), experience and seasoning NOT at the MLB level.

2b was not his natural regular position but I believe he can HIT at MLB level.

Pirela -imo - hasn't "dropped the ball" ....he had a set back in ST with a concussion and only now is he getting playing time at 2b.
I'm far from calling Pirela a "bust" at the ML level and/or at 2b playing sporadically with less than 40ABs.

Has he yet to start back to back games at 2b more than once, or twice?
 
blgridesagain said:
Looks like Refsnyder's 2b defense is a serious enough detriment to keep him from already being here (2b) with the Yanks.
I haven't watched him play in the minors but I'm kinda guessing it could be obvious he would be too much of a risk at 2b?
He probably needs more work (reps), experience and seasoning NOT at the MLB level.

2b was not his natural regular position but I believe he can HIT at MLB level.

Pirela -imo - hasn't "dropped the ball" ....he had a set back in ST with a concussion and only now is he getting playing time at 2b.
I'm far from calling Pirela a "bust" at the ML level and/or at 2b playing sporadically with less than 40ABs.

Has he yet to start back to back games at 2b more than once, or twice?
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I'd rather deal with his spotty defense than the anemic offense Cashman strapped us with again... Cashman needs to go for his continually poor decisions...
 
blgridesagain said:
Looks like Refsnyder's 2b defense is a serious enough detriment to keep him from already being here (2b) with the Yanks.
I haven't watched him play in the minors but I'm kinda guessing it could be obvious he would be too much of a risk at 2b?
He probably needs more work (reps), experience and seasoning NOT at the MLB level.

2b was not his natural regular position but I believe he can HIT at MLB level.

Pirela -imo - hasn't "dropped the ball" ....he had a set back in ST with a concussion and only now is he getting playing time at 2b.
I'm far from calling Pirela a "bust" at the ML level and/or at 2b playing sporadically with less than 40ABs.

Has he yet to start back to back games at 2b more than once, or twice?
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I'm not calling either of them a bust, my point is regarding chances. Pirela is 25 years old. Eventually you need to kick the door in when you see it's cracked open. I dont see the proof yet that Refsnyder would be able to hit ML pitching when he has a .733 OPS in AAA and no power production. His defense is dreadful. His bat would need to carry that by being a + hitter and there are no signs yet that he is that. Pirela is getting swings. They are probably going to continue with this for the month of June. If Refsnyder and Pirela havent done something to show signs they need to look to the trade market.
 
Hammerojustice said:
I'd rather deal with his spotty defense than the anemic offense Cashman strapped us with again... Cashman needs to go for his continually poor decisions...
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He'd need to be a .733 OPS guy in the majors to make up for his D. He's a .733 OPS guy in AAA....he is far from ready. He's probably a hot streak from getting his chance, but what he's done in 2015 leaves much to be desired. He's on pace to make 40 errors at 2b!
 
BigBlue2013FireTrashman said:
He'd need to be a .733 OPS guy in the majors to make up for his D. He's a .733 OPS guy in AAA....he is far from ready. He's probably a hot streak from getting his chance, but what he's done in 2015 leaves much to be desired. He's on pace to make 40 errors at 2b!
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So you'd rather keep going with the failed Drew experiment (part 2)???
 
Hammerojustice said:
So you'd rather keep going with the failed Drew experiment (part 2)???
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I'd play Pirela and move Drew to SS personally. I wouldnt call up Refsnyder right now, see no reason to unless he plays much better. If a guy is on pace for 40 errors I dont consider him a prospect unless he is a stellar hitter. He needs to work on his craft. That's to be done in the minors until at a ML level. In a month unless someone has stepped up at SS or 2B Im making a trade if Im the GM. You cant continue getting a combined .550 OPS from these 2 positions. And Didi has 7 errors to go with his pathetic offense.
 
Hammerojustice said:
I'd rather deal with his spotty defense than the anemic offense Cashman strapped us with again... Cashman needs to go for his continually poor decisions...
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"Spotty" defense may be putting it kindly.....just saying.

I haven't seem him play regularly at 2b - I like what I saw from his bat in ST but he even made a bunch of errors during ST, he is still "learning" the position, has no prior success at the position..........for all we know, Refsnyder could also be very bad at turning the DP.
And THAT (turning the DP) is very significant.
 
blgridesagain said:
"Spotty" defense may be putting it kindly.....just saying.

I haven't seem him play regularly at 2b - I like what I saw from his bat in ST but he even made a bunch of errors during ST, he is still "learning" the position, has no prior success at the position..........for all we know, Refsnyder could also be very bad at turning the DP.
2b is one of your basic busy, more important positions.
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I've seen him play a few times up in Scranton and liked what I saw... He definitely won't be a Cano with the bat and will make more than his share of errors, but it's a relatively new position for him...
 
Hammerojustice said:
I've seen him play a few times up in Scranton and liked what I saw... He definitely won't be a Cano with the bat and will make more than his share of errors, but it's a relatively new position for him...
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Well, yeah, ....okay- this doesn't surprise me.

From what I saw from him in ST, AND looking at his last full season in AAA, I would presume he would be a pretty good hitter at the ML level without good power numbers.
 
We've looked to the farm this year. I've heard Brian Cashman talk about Refsnyder several times. They are aware of him and they are watching him. There is no traffic on the road. There is no construction. The only thing between him and the Bronx is him.
 
...Pirela at 2B and Drew at SS does not sound like an improvement to me.
 
I still want Didi sent to AAA to work on his offense in hopes of making him a player. Drew is a better defender than him. Both of their bats blow, I have more confidence in Drew coming out of it. Give Didi June in AAA with Refsnyder while Drew and Pirela play. Maybe we can call both of them up together in July. Whatever the case may be play can then do the talking for all 4. If Drew or Pirela plays well, great, they can keep their job. If not we look to how Didi and Ref are playing in AAA come July 1, if well, give them a crack. If not well to the trade market we must go.
 
Zobrist would make sense for one reason, he's a free agent after this season. That makes him a rental, meaning he shouldn't cost much, and he wouldn't block Refsnyder (who needs to continue working at a relatively new position). Drew needs to go or become a bench player. Pirela is failing miserably so far - you have to do more with an opportunity than what he's done.

I don't know if I'd like the Zobrist move but Drew isn't working out and it looks like Refsnyder needs a little more time.
 
bern_baby_bern said:
Zobrist would make sense for one reason, he's a free agent after this season. That makes him a rental, meaning he shouldn't cost much, and he wouldn't block Refsnyder (who needs to continue working at a relatively new position). Drew needs to go or become a bench player. Pirela is failing miserably so far - you have to do more with an opportunity than what he's done.

I don't know if I'd like the Zobrist move but Drew isn't working out and it looks like Refsnyder needs a little more time.
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...always liked Zobrist...good all around versatile player...not flashy but instead low-key and very business-like...my kind of player.
 
BigBlue2013FireTrashman said:
I still want Didi sent to AAA to work on his offense in hopes of making him a player. Drew is a better defender than him. Both of their bats blow, I have more confidence in Drew coming out of it. Give Didi June in AAA with Refsnyder while Drew and Pirela play. Maybe we can call both of them up together in July. Whatever the case may be play can then do the talking for all 4. If Drew or Pirela plays well, great, they can keep their job. If not we look to how Didi and Ref are playing in AAA come July 1, if well, give them a crack. If not well to the trade market we must go.
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He's been a 160 hitter for almost a year now even with a full ST so I don't know what you're basing this on.
 
Zobrist current is 7 and 3/4 million, nice player, problem is the A's would see Cashman coming to the used player lot, Beane would bend Cashman over the visitors dugout and proceed to rape him for 5 players and cash.
 
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