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NBA commissioner Adam Silver sent a memo to teams last week stating the league is going to "monitor closely the play of all teams during the remainder of the season" to ensure there's no blatant tanking.

On Wednesday, Sam Amick of USA Today provided details of the letter, which discussed the importance of every organization trying to win each game:

"The integrity of the competition on the playing court is the cornerstone of our league. It is our pact with the fans and with each other, the fundamental reason we exist as a preeminent sporting organization, the very product that we sell. With everything else changing around us, it is the one thing in our league that can never change. We must do everything in our power to protect the actual and perceived integrity of the game."

Silver sent the memo after Dallas Mavericks owner Mark Cuban made public comments about tanking, for which he received a $600,000 fine from the NBA.

Cuban appeared on the House Call with Dr. J podcast with Hall of Fame forward Julius Erving and admitted he had a conversation with Mavs players about the franchise's best route to future success, per ESPN.com:

"I'm probably not supposed to say this, but, like, I just had dinner with a bunch of our guys the other night, and here we are, you know, we weren't competing for the playoffs. I was like, 'Look, losing is our best option.' Adam would hate hearing that, but I at least sat down and I explained it to them. And I explained what our plans were going to be this summer, that we're not going to tank again. This was, like, a year-and-a-half tanking, and that was too brutal for me. But being transparent, I think that's the key to being kind of a players owner and having stability."

It marked the second straight year Cuban openly discussed the team's desire to lose games in order to improve its odds in the draft lottery. He did so on the Dan Patrick Show last May:



Silver explained in the memo a rebuilding effort is a "legitimate strategy to construct a successful team within the confines of league rules," but outright tanking has "no place in our game," per Amick.

"If we ever received evidence that players or coaches were attempting to lose or otherwise taking steps to cause any game to result otherwise than on its competitive merits, that conduct would be met with the swiftest and harshest response possible from the league office," Silver wrote.

The bottom five teams in the standings—the Memphis Grizzlies, Orlando Magic, Sacramento Kings, Atlanta Hawks and Phoenix Suns—have combined to lose their last 35 games in what seems like an intense race to the bottom.
 
The only way to prevent tanking is to stop rewarding it.

Monitoring the teams closely? What the fuck does that mean? All a team has to do once they are eliminated from the playoffs is rest their veterans and start playing the young guys at the end of the bench. They can just say it's for development purposes, not tanking. How can the league prove otherwise? After Cuban's $600K fine, no coach, owner or GM is going to admit to tanking. The burden of proof is therefore on the league, and without a direct quote, how can they prove intent?

BNM
 
The only way to prevent tanking is to stop rewarding it.

Monitoring the teams closely? What the fuck does that mean? All a team has to do once they are eliminated from the playoffs is rest their veterans and start playing the young guys at the end of the bench. They can just say it's for development purposes, not tanking. How can the league prove otherwise? After Cuban's $600K fine, no coach, owner or GM is going to admit to tanking. The burden of proof is therefore on the league, and without a direct quote, how can they prove intent?

BNM
And regardless of whether it leads to wins or losses, development is the most important thing if you're not in the POs. As a fan I would be PISSED if our line-ups and rotations didn't change after being eliminated - I'd want to see Aminu and Ed riding pine while Zach and Caleb get 30+ minutes.
 
The only way to prevent tanking is to stop rewarding it.

Monitoring the teams closely? What the fuck does that mean? All a team has to do once they are eliminated from the playoffs is rest their veterans and start playing the young guys at the end of the bench. They can just say it's for development purposes, not tanking. How can the league prove otherwise? After Cuban's $600K fine, no coach, owner or GM is going to admit to tanking. The burden of proof is therefore on the league, and without a direct quote, how can they prove intent?

BNM
I don't think they can....good point
 
You have to reward the results you want to see, which is teams fighting for playoff contention.

Expand the lottery to include the 5th, 6th, 7th and 8th seeded teams, then inverse the lottery odds, and flatten them a lot. 5th and 6th seeded teams would each have a 1% higher chance of getting one of the top 5 picks over 7th and 8th seeded teams, and 2% over non-playoff teams; 7th and 8th would have 1% better odds over non playoff teams, but otherwise the entire lotto would be flat odds, equal among non-playoff teams.

So you end up with:

Bottom 14 teams: 4% chance of winning the lottery each
Next 4 teams (7th and 8th seed): 5% chance of winning the lottery each
Next 4 teams (5th and 6th seed): 6% chance of winning the lottery each
 
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Man I wish I could find the tweet, but either yesterday or the day before someone tweeted out an 0 for some large number stat of the bottom 5 teams, I think....in the NBA since Feb 13th or something like that
 
Man I wish I could find the tweet, but either yesterday or the day before someone tweeted out an 0 for some large number stat of the bottom 5 teams, I think....in the NBA since Feb 13th or something like that
Don't know about a tweet, but the OP finished with this nugget.

The bottom five teams in the standings—the Memphis Grizzlies, Orlando Magic, Sacramento Kings, Atlanta Hawks and Phoenix Suns—have combined to lose their last 35 games in what seems like an intense race to the bottom.

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Man I wish I could find the tweet, but either yesterday or the day before someone tweeted out an 0 for some large number stat of the bottom 5 teams, I think....in the NBA since Feb 13th or something like that

Since February 13th (i.e., 2/14 onward), the bottom five teams are 0-20. In February total, the bottom five teams are 8-42.
 
I have to say that the Suns sure seemed like they were trying to beat the Blazers last week. I didn't notice the Kings doing anything blatant to lose last night, either. Sometimes when your team sucks, losing just happens.
 
Sure they will. Just like they monitor flopping, travels, rip-throughs, closeouts, moving screens....

:lol: exactly

Though you could use all that machine learning and camera data to see if players on those teams are missing shots differently than they normally miss, from a basketball trajectory standpoint. If they do that might indicate they’ve been told to miss on purpose.
 
:lol: exactly

Though you could use all that machine learning and camera data to see if players on those teams are missing shots differently than they normally miss, from a basketball trajectory standpoint. If they do that might indicate they’ve been told to miss on purpose.
No player is going to willingly make their stats worse. Players don't tank, management tanks.
 
Here are the current odd -

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I think the incentive to tanking needs to be removed.
- Expand the lottery to include the teams in the Playoffs without home-court advantage (adds 8 more teams).
- Flatten the odds. 14 current teams + 8 as noted above = 22 total. 1/22 = 4.5% chance of winning for every team in the lottery.
- Lottery every pick (currently just the top 3 picks are done on the lottery).
- The most a team could drop is 7 spots. (The team with the worst record would be guaranteed a top 8 pick. The team with the second worst record would be guaranteed a top 9 pick.....)
--- This would be the only 'incentive' to lose.
 
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:lol: exactly

Though you could use all that machine learning and camera data to see if players on those teams are missing shots differently than they normally miss, from a basketball trajectory standpoint. If they do that might indicate they’ve been told to miss on purpose.

Brian Windhorst said the other day that some teams are using analytics to tank. There are analytics that show what the best lineups are for each team, well he said there are multiple teams using that same information to play the worst lineups possible. That is pretty funny.
 
Don't forget free throw lane violations!

I don't remember them mentioning that over the last few years as something they were "monitoring," or else I would have included it.
 
Brian Windhorst said the other day that some teams are using analytics to tank. There are analytics that show what the best lineups are for each team, well he said there are multiple teams using that same information to play the worst lineups possible. That is pretty funny.
You mean THIS guy?

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Here are the current odd -

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I think the incentive to tanking needs to be removed.
- Expand the lottery to include the teams in the Playoffs without home-court advantage (adds 8 more teams).
- Flatten the odds. 14 current teams + 8 as noted above = 22 total. 1/22 = 4.5% chance of winning for every team in the lottery.
- Lottery every pick (currently just the top 3 picks are done on the lottery).
- The most a team could drop is 7 spots. (The team with the worst record would be guaranteed a top 8 pick. The team with the second worst record would be guaranteed a top 9 pick.....)
--- This would be the only 'incentive' to lose'.

What's weird is that in the NFL where there is no lottery and it is based on record you would think there would be more completely obvious tanking. The 49ers won their last 5 games and fell from 2 to 9 (or 10 depending on a coin flip) and a team like the Jets who everyone thought was tanking ended up winning 5 games and were somewhat competitive. Why is it seemingly different for them?

I guess you can make the argument that a star in basketball is harder to get in the draft if you don't have a top pick but I don't think changing the percentages would make any difference unless it is completely even for all teams in the lottery (frozen envelope!). Personally, I don't have a problem with teams that tank. I think Cuban is right when he says that losing is the best strategy for a team like the Mavericks right now. I don't think it changes the integrity of the game as those teams are usually bad already.
 
You have to reward the results you want to see, which is teams fighting for playoff contention.

Expand the lottery to include the 5th, 6th, 7th and 8th seeded teams, then inverse the lottery odds, and flatten them a lot. 5th and 6th seeded teams would each have a 3% higher chance of getting one of the top 5 picks over 7th and 8th seeded teams, and 6% over non-playoff teams; 7th and 8th would have 3% better odds over non playoff teams, but otherwise the entire lotto would be flat odds, equal among non-playoff teams.
Problem with that is a team in 9th would tank hard to get to 8th due to the huge bump in odds.
 
I don't remember them mentioning that over the last few years as something they were "monitoring," or else I would have included it.

It was about 10 years ago. I remember it being such bullshit how it was so random when they would call it. They called Andre Miller for running in from the 3 point line too soon and it cost us a game when the worst part is the other team committed that same violation on every single one of our free throw attempts and it wasn't called.
 
What's weird is that in the NFL where there is no lottery and it is based on record you would think there would be more completely obvious tanking. The 49ers won their last 5 games and fell from 2 to 9 (or 10 depending on a coin flip) and a team like the Jets who everyone thought was tanking ended up winning 5 games and were somewhat competitive. Why is it seemingly different for them?

I guess you can make the argument that a star in basketball is harder to get in the draft if you don't have a top pick but I don't think changing the percentages would make any difference unless it is completely even for all teams in the lottery (frozen envelope!). Personally, I don't have a problem with teams that tank. I think Cuban is right when he says that losing is the best strategy for a team like the Mavericks right now. I don't think it changes the integrity of the game as those teams are usually bad already.
Being a season ticket-holder, I want to see a good quality game.

If the other team is holding out their star players, I'm not getting my money's worth. I don't want to explain to my son why we didn't see Dirk Nowitzki play even though he isn't injured.

And yes, as a Blazer fan I like to get the W. But to be honest, going to a game and blowing out the other team (because they are tanking) and seeing a bunch of scrubs doesn't motivate me to want to pay to see that product.
 
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It was about 10 years ago. I remember it being such bullshit how it was so random when they would call it. They called Andre Miller for running in from the 3 point line too soon and it cost us a game when the worst part is the other team committed that same violation on every single one of our free throw attempts and it wasn't called.

Ah. It's hard to remember after a certain point.
 
Being a season ticket-holder, I want to see a good quality game.

If the other team is totally holding out their star players, I don't think I got my money's worth. I don't want to explain to my son why we didn't see Dirk Nowitzki play even though he isn't injured.

And yes, as a Blazer fan I like to get the W. But to be honest, going to a game and blowing out the other team (because they are tanking) and seeing a bunch of scrubs doesn't motivate me to want to pay to see that product.

I completely agree with blatant tanking and sitting stars with no injuries for long periods of games. However, with a guy like Dirk who is over the hill anyway I don't have a problem with them limiting his minutes and playing the younger guys. Now if last year the Blazers sat out Dame and CJ for the last 30 games because they wanted to move up in the lottery then that would be bullshit. As mentioned by others in this thread the Suns still played pretty hard and the Kings could've wilted at several points in that game last night down double digits but still kept it reasonable the whole game. I think the problem lies more in some of these teams that are high in the lottery several years in a row and don't seem to be getting better.
 
As mentioned by others in this thread the Suns still played pretty hard and the Kings could've wilted at several points in that game last night down double digits but still kept it reasonable the whole game. I think the problem lies more in some of these teams that are high in the lottery several years in a row and don't seem to be getting better.


It's amazing that the Kings will finish with a losing record and miss the playoffs for the 12th straight year. They had a top 10 pick in each of those drafts except for 2006, when their highest pick was 12.
 
Silver needs to scrap the lottery, and find a way to restrict the creation of super teams, and STFU with his empty threats
 

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