Notice Addressing the drama in the OT section this weekeend (1 Viewer)

[bodyman5000 and 1]

Yeah that and the part where I basically called you a fucking asshole.

Oh noes. Get in line.

 

[Propagandist]

Hi, just got home. It's been a long and busy day but trust me all of you were not far from my thoughts.

I will do my best to reply to all of the comments after I have some dinner.

Also the Blazers gave me a bunch of tickets for Wednesday night's game that I need to give out.

You know who’s in? Me, of course.

 

[Propagandist]

Someone did write the Blazers from the forum complaining about HCP's posts. That is 100% a fact.

I did not see what was written, I have no idea who wrote it.

That’s fucked.

 

[bodyman5000 and 1]

That’s fucked.

Yet he felt free to blame me for it.

 

[H.C.]

It's all good. I need someone to keep me humble. Or get me there.

Thank you for the forgiveness.
But I'll be honest, I hold myself to an extreme standard irl. With you specifically I've fallen short of that standard.
It's a failure I'm not happy with, because while I don't take this site seriously. I still am held responsible for the words I type on this forum.
As I said before members of this site have paid $$ for their kids to attend classes I teach. They might not care about my words on this site as their children are still enrolled in said classes. But I certainly care.
Basically thank you for not trying to affect the food I put on the table for my family due to how childish I acted.

 

[Propagandist]

Yet he felt free to blame me for it.

I am not well versed on the controversy AT ALL, I'm essentially just going on what I've read today (nor do I want to fight at all with you unless it's about the desert being hell) but surely you can see why he would suspect you? AND whether you agree with it or not, when it comes to threats--whether real or perceived--some people react strongly. Let me put it this way, if calling the Blazers about The HCP was a crime, the police would consider you a person of interest, no? Anyhow, don't be mad, I'm just saying...

Funny sidenote concerning suspicion...in O-Live if a post was flagged they would just pull it. You could spend 10 minutes writing a novel and someone would flag it and it'd vanish along with every response to it. It would piss me off so much; you'd be in the middle of a debate and poof! all of it would be gone. It got so bad that I would write my posts in GoogleDocs and copy and paste them, so that if they did get flagged and vanish, I could just change a word and post them again. But then those would get flagged, etc...Anyhow, the abovementioned Cup, who is now dear to my heart, was not at the time, and I was 98% convinced it was he who was the flagger...reading SlyPokerDog's summary of Cup reporting posts in here I'm at 99% now. Haha.

 

[Further]

Again, to be clear, the joke was to never send anything to anyone. It was to make him THINK we had. And it would have been his own posts. So what is the harm in JOKING about sending someones boss the words, they themselves posts?

We werent going to change anything, add anything or omit anything. Simply post quotes of his posts and make him think we sent them to the Blazers. No one was going to say anything good or bad about him. Just let the Blazers decide on their own if his quoted posts are harmful or not.

And ive crossed the line????
NOT feeling guilty on this end for thinking about a joke like this. Sorry. People think and act on jokes much worse than this and get global praise at times....

I do feel guilty for any part I might have had in instigating anyone else to actually write this letter, which body pointed out might not be true of and in its own. But my guilt on this is less and less the more I see HCP just continue down his path of repeating the same things that got him to this point. Again. Reep what you sow.


Not sure how much more clear I can be on this.

@SlyPokerDog You said you wanted all this to go away? You know the quickest way to get that to happen? Get HCP to not be a dick to everyone all the time and give respect when he gets it. Simple. Until then you will always have disgruntled, thin skinned people who don't care for his BS and he will run into more who think its a conflict for someone affiliated with the Blazers to treat fans like this. It really is Black and White.

His accepted behavior has put him and this forum into this situation, regardless of which other individual forum members you think are guilty.

Its this continued behavior that spawned the thought of the joke in the first place!

People need to take ownership of thier part in things. Period. Including HCP and the mods letting HCP insdult people on a regualr pasis without recourse while jumping on others for the same. Lately? not really, but when I first joined here all HCP posts were insults it seemed.

I hope you reevaluate your stance on your “joke”. I haven’t followed this saga but just read through your accounts and I don’t think they exonerate you like you think they do. I think your “joke” is cruel. Embarrassing.

 

[e_blazer]

I could never fuck myself - I believe in saving that for someone I like!

And, given that you, like myself, are beyond the age of bodily flexibility, it’s quite literally impossible.

 

[e_blazer]

This place! I have little doubt that face to face most people here would enjoy each other’s company. Get on a keyboard, where you aren’t able to see each other as human beings, and common sense flies out the window from time to time.

 

[Propagandist]

This place! I have little doubt that face to face most people here would enjoy each other’s company. Get on a keyboard, where you aren’t able to see each other as human beings, and common sense flies out the window from time to time.

It is funny what a little anonymity does to a person's behavior.

 

[barfo]

It is funny what a little anonymity does to a person's behavior.

Sometimes. There are lots of people here who are anonymously pleasant and friendly.

It would be interesting to know if there is a direct - or inverse - correlation between being nice here and being nice in real life.

barfo

 

[Propagandist]

Sometimes. There are lots of people here who are anonymously pleasant and friendly.

It would be interesting to know if there is a direct - or inverse - correlation between being nice here and being nice in real life.

barfo

I'm the same regardless (see avatar).

 

[julius]

I'm much nicer in person. But at the same time, I don't make as many spelling errors when I'm talking.

 

[SlyPokerDog]

Sometimes. There are lots of people here who are anonymously pleasant and friendly.

It would be interesting to know if there is a direct - or inverse - correlation between being nice here and being nice in real life.

barfo

I'm nicer pretending to be a dog on the internet than I am as a person in real life.

 

[barfo]

If they let me out of the basement I'd be nice this time, I promise.

barfo

 

[bodyman5000 and 1]

I hope you reevaluate your stance on your “joke”. I haven’t followed this saga but just read through your accounts and I don’t think they exonerate you like you think they do. I think your “joke” is cruel. Embarrassing.

You don't know what the fuck you are talking about in the least. You should be embarrassed, not him.

I have the 2 year old pm's where I suggested the idea to him and he thought better of it.

 

[Dougnsalem]

This place! I have little doubt that face to face most people here would enjoy each other’s company. Get on a keyboard, where you aren’t able to see each other as human beings, and common sense flies out the window from time to time.

 

[yankeesince59]

Donald?

Yup.

 

[crandc]

You insulted me! No, you insulted me!

FFS, give it a rest, boys.

 

[ABM]

Sometimes. There are lots of people here who are anonymously pleasant and friendly.

It would be interesting to know if there is a direct - or inverse - correlation between being nice here and being nice in real life.

barfo

ME! ME! ME! ME! ME! ME! ME! ME!

Ha!

 

[Dougnsalem]

Give me a break. Here's a sample of my reply to one of many posters asking me what is wrong with HCP. I just copied the text so I didn't let slip who it was from...

Hahahahahaha. HCP is hilarious. At first I thought it was all just an act but he really really cares what people think about him.

He usually likes insults I make against him so it seems he probably just wants attention

I KNEW that sounded familar. After looking, I discovered that was me!

I've talked with Bodyman privately in the past. In his defense- there's no way he had some smear campaign with PMs going on, trying to get back at hcp. No way. He never even mentioned this Email idea/joke to the Blazers to me. Not once. I've only known him to poke at hcp, to get a reaction out of him. All in fun.

And I see where Sly said the Blazers were contacted, so I stand corrected. Like I said, yeah that is messed up.

 

[Orion Bailey]

I hope you reevaluate your stance on your “joke”. I haven’t followed this saga but just read through your accounts and I don’t think they exonerate you like you think they do. I think your “joke” is cruel. Embarrassing.

So you haven't read everything, but yet feel fine passing judgment on me?

You couldnt be FURTHER from the truth.

Go read the whole damn thread then quote me, but don't quote me with ignorant statements telling me I should be embarrassed when you self admittedly haven't read up on everything.

This right here is the fundamental issue with so many people here. SO quick to pass judgment and then cast a blind eye to anything that follows, even if it contradicts the judgement passed.

Some mods do this and many posters do this.

WTF happened to innocent until proven guilty?

Fuck this place and your better than thou, " you had a bad thought, so you are evil," bullshit, when the guy many people defend had lit into me from the get go for years here and never once tried to make anything right in the face of me amaking several attempts to reach out, be cool and smooth things over.



This post is the one that broke my camels back.....Never had one conversation with this guy and he passes judgement on me based on half a story....

FUcking AWESOME place this is.....

 

[tlongII]

So you haven't read everything, but yet feel fine passing judgment on me?

You couldnt be FURTHER from the truth.

Go read the whole damn thread then quote me, but don't quote me with ignorant statements telling me I should be embarrassed when you self admittedly haven't read up on everything.

This right here is the fundamental issue with so many people here. SO quick to pass judgment and then cast a blind eye to anything that follows, even if it contradicts the judgement passed.

Some mods do this and many posters do this.

WTF happened to innocent until proven guilty?

Fuck this place and your better than thou, " you had a bad thought, so you are evil," bullshit, when the guy many people defend had lit into me from the get go for years here and never once tried to make anything right in the face of me amaking several attempts to reach out, be cool and smooth things over.



This post is the one that broke my camels back.....Never had one conversation with this guy and he passes judgement on me based on half a story....

FUcking AWESOME place this is.....

 

[Orion Bailey]

Well for starters, read your post below. I never did it. Yet many people in this thread have persecuted me for this. The guy who initially blamed me for something I didn't do went around for a year claiming I ruined the forum. He has denied me access to the video truck that he gives tours of. You are asking me why I'm taking this so serious? Maybe because I'm sick and tired of the double standard set by the forum darling and having the bulk of the forum come down on me for his BS?
I've explained the circumstances of a few things now, where I have reached out to him to meet half way, to provide some levity and had it either ignored or used against me here.
If some people weren't so damn serious with me, maybe I wouldn't be so serious back? Maybe if I didn't run into forum bias on this guy on a regular basis, I wouldn't take it all so serious? And FYI, I never took any of it serious until this letter thing came to be known.

My opinion is that if you try to make someone think you are trying to get them fired it is wrong. I don't care about the circumstances. It is wrong.

 

[bodyman5000 and 1]

Well for starters, read your post below. I never did it. Yet many people in this thread have persecuted me for this. The guy who initially blamed me for something I didn't do went around for a year claiming I ruined the forum. He has denied me access to the video truck that he gives tours of. You are asking me why I'm taking this so serious? Maybe because I'm sick and tired of the double standard set by the forum darling and having the bulk of the forum come down on me for his BS?
I've explained the circumstances of a few things now, where I have reached out to him to meet half way, to provide some levity and had it either ignored or used against me here.
If some people weren't so damn serious with me, maybe I wouldn't be so serious back? Maybe if I didn't run into forum bias on this guy on a regular basis, I wouldn't take it all so serious? And FYI, I never took any of it serious until this letter thing came to be known.

Shit. I'm going to send @tlongII a private message suggesting he rob a bank. He'll likely say no. Then I am gonna tell everyone here that I suggested he rob a bank and he said no and we'll see how many people tell tlong he's an asshole for thinking about robbing a bank.

I'm sorry that I put you through all of this Orion. I didn't know I had such sway over people.

You've been told repeatedly that what you did was fucked up for just thinking about it and then given all the reasons why it would have been fucked up.

The only problem is that you already said no that it was fucked up for most if not all of the reasons they said.

 

[tlongII]

Who gives a shit? Jesus. I know I don't.

My understanding of the situation is that somebody from here complained to the Blazers about HCP. I don't know who it was nor do I really care. However, given the discussions on here over the last year or so I can see how HCP thought it was due to one of you guys. As far as "forum bias?" Who gives a shit? Jesus. I know I don't.

 

[VanillaGorilla]

I'm still trying to figure out how people legitimately think it's "cruel" or "repugnant" or "asshole behavior" to complain about a person's actual behavior, to their employer or not doesn't really make a difference. If they haven't done anything wrong, there's literally nothing to worry or be upset about. And if they have, then the complaints were inherently valid.

 

[BLAZINGGIANTS]

Greetings and happy holidays to everyone. Seems like we've had a ton of drama in the off topic section of the forum that needs to be addressed. Some of it you guys know about it and some of it only I and the people directly involved do. Time to bring everyone up to speed and to clear some misconceptions up.

@Lanny please do not post racial slurs in the forum again. I don't care what the reason is. That is not acceptable. Since there is someone demanding you be banned and claiming that I won't do it since we're friends I will state publicly, if you do it one more time I will ban you for a month, if you do it after that I will ban you forever. This follows the exact same order of events we took when someone else continued to post the N word in game threads.

@Fez Forthright I closed your thread because come on, that was a bait/troll thread. It wasn't about MMA or that fight, it was to provoke a reaction from Trump supporters. As clearly shown by the arguments that followed you were very successful stirring shit up. I would consider that a win for you. We really don't need anymore wins like that around here.

@Cupwizer props to you for digging up that old email from 10 years ago and using it to send me your insulting rant. I'm giving you a week away from this place for you to rethink how you interact with some of the members of this forum and the staff on here. I will say you are great for reporting posts. A huge thank you for that, it truly makes things easier for staff to respond to problems in the forum. What I do not appreciate is you using the reporting feature as some sort of weird justification to insult others. Too many times have I gone to a post that you've reported and agreed with you that it is a personal insult only to see that you've insulted them right back AFTER you've reported the post. Really? It doesn't work like that. And clearly you understand what a personal insult is because you've accurately reported it yet you still insult someone back?!? The personal insults need to stop, the picking at people and engaging only to argue with them needs to stop.

Now for the reason I gave you a week long vacation from this place, you complained and complained about staff, then argued with them, and then started trolling them by repeatedly making threads similar to the ones that were just closed. I can not tell you guys enough, when you work hard to provoke a reaction you don't get to pick what that reaction will be. I had 3 staff members actively trying to put out forum fires and you're lighting more. I ended that.

@MARIS61 your continued accusations and lies about me really hurt. We were not in an argument, and I didn't ban you because you won this fictitious argument. You were banned because of personal insults to members of the forum and staff. Now I understand that you claim otherwise but lets see if you really believe that. I have no interest in digging through old posts of yours for insults. Most are edited or deleted but I know I left some because you have a problem not owning your shit.

If you agree to the rules and outcome of this game I propose the following forum game:

I will offer $5 per post of yours that anyone finds that is a personal insult. Once 4 personal insults are found I will ban you forever. If no personal insults are found I will donate $50 to the charity (charities only, no political donations) of your choice. So, if it's true as you claim, that you've never ever ever posted a personal insult in this forum you should have nothing to worry about. The only thing that happens is a charity of yours gets $50 richer. If you agree to that then I will make a thread outlining the rules and unleashing anyone who wants to make a few extra bucks. Also, I will post the moderator logs from every thread an insult is found in so there is no claims that your posts were edited and an insult was added.

@MarAzul you have a serious problem with personal insults, especially against staff. I've talked with you about this multiple times both publicly and privately. I've edited posts, deleted posts, temporarily banned you from threads, permanently banned you from threads, and even temporarily banned you from the forum. I've really tried everything. @Chris Craig or any other member of the forum have not abused their special mod powers nor have they ever used their mod powers unjustly against you. I have tried every way and thing I can think of to get you to stop insulting forum members and staff. I have failed. From the angry email you sent me last night to the phone call you had Mags make to me it sounds like you're done with the place anyways. Good luck to you, may you have many amazing adventures in that beautiful boat you built.

@bodyman5000 and 1 where do I even begin? Let me start off with that you are truly one of my most favorite members on here. You are extremely intelligent, more intelligent than I think even you realize. But the way you instigate behind the scenes is truly masterful and yet a bit concerning at times. But that is one of the reasons why I enjoy you so much. While others come straight at a person, you have this unique way of trying to get someone while they're not looking. It's something that I appreciate because at different times in my life where I've had to do something similar.

I must say, though it really didn't involve me, it wasn't against forum rules, and I didn't truly find out about this until this past month, your campaign via PMs to get HCP fired was masterful yet disturbing. It was also concerning. There is nothing that HCP has said or done to anyone on here that merits him losing his job. To try and talk someone else into emailing the Blazers to get him in trouble is a shitty thing to do don't you think? To try and escalate things to such an extreme is... ummm... odd.

Also, while I only saw the reports and have not read the entirety or context (yes, I used context intentionally. lol) of what was said between you two, you sending PMs to Lanny telling him you wanted him dead is again, very extreme and concerning. Now if you remember I did PM you asking about this and you never replied. It was shortly after that you started your "long goodbye" campaign of telling us weekly that you don't post here anymore and how much this place and certain people suck.

Since you have sent Lanny's post to certain Blazer advertisers I too have a screen grab of Lanny's post that I am going to send to the Blazers tomorrow along with your PMs about trying to get others to try and get HCP fired and hopefully, if @Lanny isn't too upset with me over my post to him tonight, he will send me the emails you sent to him wanting him dead. I think it will provide the Blazers a more complete overview of the interactions, why you're upset, and some of the email campaigns you've tried to instigate in the past. Also I will be showing them the actions that staff took concerning Lanny's post and that he was officially warned that is not acceptable behavior in the forum.

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To everyone else, this is more FYI, I instruct our staff to act more like firemen than policemen. I find this is the best way to promote healthy discussions and debates. Again, forums are boring and useless if everyone agrees. It's the different opinions and beliefs that make forums engaging and fun. There are some who just don't understand this and will unleash personal insults when someone doesn't agree with their specific belief. It's also why there is no agenda against people with certain political affiliations. Go to some of the bigger forums, ones that have subforums for specific political beliefs. BORING! No real debate or discussions, just a circle jerk of agreement. We do not have that here. And because we don't have that here we have some very vigorous and informative discussions and debates. I think that's great. Please, remember this when you get upset with subjects and/or people in the forum or the actions of staff. Often, they are just trying to end the arguments, not to play forum cop. On rare occasions they may get something wrong or do something that you feel is an overreaction. Always feel free to PM me and/or them. I have found all of them to be very receptive and respectful in explaining why they took the actions that they did. Also, it's perfectly okay that you may not agree with them. No one is asking you to. We're only asking is that you understand that we have people who put in hours of their personal time to make this place enjoyable for all.

tl; dr

 

[bodyman5000 and 1]

Who gives a shit? Jesus. I know I don't.

My understanding of the situation is that somebody from here complained to the Blazers about HCP. I don't know who it was nor do I really care. However, given the discussions on here over the last year or so I can see how HCP thought it was due to one of you guys. As far as "forum bias?" Who gives a shit? Jesus. I know I don't.

Sly seemed to give a shit by claiming I ran some behind the scenes scheme to try and talk someone into doing it.

Anyone with any critical thinking skills knows it was to try and deflect from the "three holocaust jokes and you're out" rule he's trying to defend.

I've posted PM's that have not been edited (if that is even possible) that prove to anyone with an open mind that Orion didn't do it.

We already talked about it in an old thread. 10 bucks says it was someone who already hates HCP that saw how pissed off he was and thought..... Dang! That's a good idea.

If that makes it my fault...don't really care. Warned him back then that he was dumb for posting his whole life here AND being a dick to forum members........

I guess I was dumb for admitting it was my idea. Now having @SlyPokerDog claim that I was the evil schemer behind it I'm at risk.

I should have known better than become involved with a bunch of babies.

Maybe I can get Mueller to investigate and find out who really did it. 40 million? I got that.

 

[BLAZINGGIANTS]

It's never misery. I actually really like all of you. I've had the pleasure of meeting everyone in my first post except for Fez and BM. All are great guys.

Is calling someone a BM a personal insult? Way to break your own rules, FAMS!