Adrian Peterson -- Indicted for Child Abuse

[Natebishop3]

Now a Cardinal is being investigated for domestic violence. This one is fishy though.

http://deadspin.com/reports-cards-rb-jonathan-dwyer-arrested-in-domestic-v-1636060617

Cards RB Jonathan Dwyer is currently being questioned about alleged fight with wife from a while ago. She saved the records of her injuries

— TylerBaldwin (@tylerbaldwin) September 17, 2014

I have a friend who had this happen to him. No evidence other than her word and some photos of a few bruises from a month prior to the arrest. Her story kept changing, but he was still convicted without a shred of actual evidence tying him to the bruises.

More information from ESPN though

http://espn.go.com/nfl/story/_/id/1...ested-two-counts-suspicion-aggravated-assault

The Cardinals said they became aware of the situation on Wednesday and are cooperating with the investigation. He has been deactivated from all team activities.

Police say the victims are a 27-year-old woman and an 18-month-old child. One of the counts was "aggravated assault causing a fracture."

 

[Sedatedfork]

I like the first comment on the Dwyer article.

They need one of those "__ days without an incident" boards in the NFL offices

This has to be one of the worst couple of weeks for the NFL image.

 

[Natebishop3]

I like the first comment on the Dwyer article.



This has to be one of the worst couple of weeks for the NFL image.

Well it seems like anyone with an ax to grind could come out right now and get publicity. Not saying any of these women are lying, but this would be the perfect time to gain leverage.

 

[SlyPokerDog]

Now a Cardinal is being investigated for domestic violence. This one is fishy though.

http://deadspin.com/reports-cards-rb-jonathan-dwyer-arrested-in-domestic-v-1636060617



I have a friend who had this happen to him. No evidence other than her word and some photos of a few bruises from a month prior to the arrest. Her story kept changing, but he was still convicted without a shred of actual evidence tying him to the bruises.

More information from ESPN though

http://espn.go.com/nfl/story/_/id/1...ested-two-counts-suspicion-aggravated-assault

NBC news just said he was arrested.

Dwyer is being booked into the Maricopa County Jail on 1 count of aggravated assault causing a fracture, 1 count of aggravated assault involving a minor, 2 counts of criminal damage, 1 count of preventing the use of a phone in an emergency, and assault.

 

[Natebishop3]

NBC news just said he was arrested.

Dwyer is being booked into the Maricopa County Jail on 1 count of aggravated assault causing a fracture, 1 count of aggravated assault involving a minor, 2 counts of criminal damage, 1 count of preventing the use of a phone in an emergency, and assault.

Supposedly it happened "a while ago" so how the hell do you prove that he prevented them from calling 911?

 

[SlyPokerDog]

Supposedly it happened "a while ago" so how the hell do you prove that he prevented them from calling 911?

Cops say they interviewed Dwyer and he acknowledged the incidents

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[Natebishop3]

Cops say they interviewed Dwyer and he acknowledged the incidents

Read more: http://www.tmz.com#ixzz3DckHZ19S
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Then he's a moron. You never talk to the police. Ever.

 

[KeepOnRollin]

Police: Dwyer head-butted wife, struck son

http://espn.go.com/nfl/story/_/id/1...ead-butted-punched-wife-struck-young-son-shoe

Arizona Cardinals running back Jonathan Dwyer head-butted his wife and broke her nose after she refused his sexual advances, and punched her in the face the next day, police said Thursday.

 

[SlyPokerDog]

Police: Dwyer head-butted wife, struck son

http://espn.go.com/nfl/story/_/id/1...ead-butted-punched-wife-struck-young-son-shoe

This is exactly what Nate is talking about. It's a total witch hunt. There is no proof that she didn't start running and rammed herself nose first into his head. You hear head and nose and every thinks it's the head's fault.

 

[Sedatedfork]

One thing I wonder is whether this new policy will actually cause less reporting. If the women in these player's lives know that reporting the abuse will mean strong penalties by the NFL, will domestic violence be kept even more of a secret? I don't know what the right answer is. It is just a complex problem that is really difficult to address.

 

[SlyPokerDog]

One thing I wonder is whether this new policy will actually cause less reporting. If the women in these player's lives know that reporting the abuse will mean strong penalties by the NFL, will domestic violence be kept even more of a secret? I don't know what the right answer is. It is just a complex problem that is really difficult to address.

I think just the opposite. Women will know that when they do ask for help their reports will be taken seriously and swiftly. It's not the women who should question their actions but the players.

 

[RR7]

Police: Dwyer head-butted wife, struck son

http://espn.go.com/nfl/story/_/id/1...ead-butted-punched-wife-struck-young-son-shoe

Who throws a shoe? Honestly? he fights like a woman.

 

[PtldPlatypus]

I think just the opposite. Women will know that when they do ask for help their reports will be taken seriously and swiftly. It's not the women who should question their actions but the players.

But you saw how Jannay Rice has reacted to the punishments handed down by the league; she doesn't want Ray to be penalized, and certainly doesn't want the process to be further publicized. I think it's very possible that other victims will feel the same, especially those that aren't actually planning on leaving the relationship.

 

[KeepOnRollin]

I think just the opposite. Women will know that when they do ask for help their reports will be taken seriously and swiftly. It's not the women who should question their actions but the players.

I think he is talking more financially. A lot of these ladies have just as much to lose in that area as the men if it is reported.

 

[SlyPokerDog]

But you saw how Jannay Rice has reacted to the punishments handed down by the league; she doesn't want Ray to be penalized, and certainly doesn't want the process to be further publicized. I think it's very possible that other victims will feel the same, especially those that aren't actually planning on leaving the relationship.

So the law and league shouldn't do anything because a few women will otherwise hide what happens?

 

[KeepOnRollin]

I think he is talking more financially. A lot of these ladies have just as much to lose in that area as the men if it is reported.

Ironically right after I posted this I just found this below posted on facebook by a local lawyer wondering similarly:

Since it's an area of law that I work in, I'm interested in your thoughts on the NFL's new response to domestic violence issues involving players; which following the recent headlines seems to be basically if you do it you are "done" The victims stand to lose up to millions of dollars of their significant others earnings as a result. Does that mean that victims, for purely financial reasons, will choose not to report violence against them, with the result that the players will never get specialized treatment designed to prevent future violent conduct? I wonder if the NFL's response isn't just further victimizing the victims and chilling their access to the justice system. Maybe the response should be to keep the players playing while presumed innocent and facilitate treatment if they're convicted. Thoughts?

 

[SlyPokerDog]

I think he is talking more financially. A lot of these ladies have just as much to lose in that area as the men if it is reported.

That's on those women if they want to stay in an abusive relationship. That possibility should not prevent the NFL from taking a firm, consistent and public stand against abuse.

 

[KeepOnRollin]

That's on those women if they want to stay in an abusive relationship. That possibility should not prevent the NFL from taking a firm, consistent and public stand against abuse.

While I agree with your thoughts on this the question is could they do both do that and do it in a different way? I mean the consistent part isn't actually consistent. It is new. They should be from here on out but perhaps not before tweaking it one more time. See my last post that wonders that question by a local lawyer.

 

[SlyPokerDog]

Ironically right after I posted this I just found this below posted on facebook by a local lawyer wondering similarly:

That's making a huge assumption that the majority of women are willing to be beat for money.

 

[KeepOnRollin]

That's making a huge assumption that the majority of women are willing to be beat for money.

I don't think the majority are. It doesn't take the majority though and I don't think it is going out on a limb at all to say some would.

 

[SlyPokerDog]

While I agree with your thoughts on this the question is could they do both do that and do it in a different way? I mean the consistent part isn't actually consistent. It is new. They should be from here on out but perhaps not before tweaking it one more time. See my last post that wonders that question by a local lawyer.

Except this argument completely falls apart when this same logic is applied to other infractions. The NFL shouldn't suspend drug users because it will financially hurt the wives? The NFL shouldn't suspend any player for any crime because of spousal financial considerations?

 

[KeepOnRollin]

Except this argument completely falls apart when this same logic is applied to other infractions. The NFL shouldn't suspend drug users because it will financially hurt the wives? The NFL shouldn't suspend any player for any crime because of spousal financial considerations?

NFL isn't following the same procedure. NFL should absolutely suspend anyone after they have been found guilty. That is what they are doing in drug and crime cases.

However, they are suspending them in some cases of domestic abuse before they are found guilty. I know the majority of the players are likely guilty, you know the majority (if not all) of the players are guilty but until they are proven guilty they shouldn't be suspended or banned from the league if they want to stay consistent.

P.S. I want to make it very clear (not that I should have to) that I don't condone violence at all. It is despicable and once proven the player should be dealt with VERY harshly.

 

[RR7]

NFL isn't following the same procedure. NFL should absolutely suspend anyone after they have been found guilty. That is what they are doing in drug and crime cases.

However, they are suspending them in some cases of domestic abuse before they are found guilty. I know the majority of the players are likely guilty, you know the majority (if not all) of the players are guilty but until the law says they are guilty they shouldn't be suspended or banned from the league if they want to stay consistent.

P.S. I want to make it very clear (not that I should have to) that I don't condone violence at all. It is despicable and once proven the player should be dealt with VERY harshly.

But in the rice case, if she isn't pressing charges, then there's no legal ruling to wait on.
With Peterson, he admitted to doing what he is accused of.

 

[KeepOnRollin]

But in the rice case, if she isn't pressing charges, then there's no legal ruling to wait on.
With Peterson, he admitted to doing what he is accused of.

Rice case is fairly cut and dry. There is video and he doesn't dispute what happened. Problem with what they did with him is they disciplined him twice. Double Jeopardy. They had a rule in place of what the discipline is and already charged him with that and then went outside of that to do more to him.

Peterson hasn't been charged last I looked. He admitted what happened but the law is actually deciding if what he did is illegal. NFL should let them do their work before anything is decide imo.

 

[MarAzul]

My mother was a ninja master with those wooden spoons. She even broke a few on my butt.

But never were there welts or lacerations. Some of you are talking out the asses you claim you were beat on.

"My mother beat me so bad I couldn't walk for 3 months and when she was done I thanked her for it."

Uh huh, sure...

Ha! I agree. Doing whoop ass on your kid is loosing your cool after a failure to communicate. A slap on the ass may jump start the communication when it doesn't take on the first try.

 

[SlyPokerDog]

NFL isn't following the same procedure. NFL should absolutely suspend anyone after they have been found guilty. That is what they are doing in drug and crime cases.

However, they are suspending them in some cases of domestic abuse before they are found guilty. I know the majority of the players are likely guilty, you know the majority (if not all) of the players are guilty but until they are proven guilty they shouldn't be suspended or banned from the league if they want to stay consistent.

P.S. I want to make it very clear (not that I should have to) that I don't condone violence at all. It is despicable and once proven the player should be dealt with VERY harshly.

It's my understanding that all of the players except for Rice have been suspended with pay. Rice's case is different because after he went through the legal process and was in no further legal jeopardy he lied to the NFL as to what really happened in that elevator. Personally I think the NFL was all too happy to swallow his fiction of events and have been playing CYA ever since the tape came out.

 

[RR7]

Rice case is fairly cut and dry. There is video and he doesn't dispute what happened. Problem with what they did with him is they disciplined him twice. Double Jeopardy. They had a rule in place of what the discipline is and already charged him with that and then went outside of that to do more to him.

Peterson hasn't been charged last I looked. He admitted what happened but the law is actually deciding if what he did is illegal. NFL should let them do their work before anything is decide imo.

But the NFL can have their own policies in place outside of legal or not. Unless I'm missing it and you're saying they shouldn't. It's legal to smoke pot in Colorado and Washington, but not for NFL players in those cities. I think it's ok for them to have their own code of conduct. And I think deactivating with pay while reviewing, versus suspending, makes sense in a lot of cases.

 

[KeepOnRollin]

It's my understanding that all of the players except for Rice have been suspended with pay. Rice's case is different because after he went through the legal process and was in no further legal jeopardy he lied to the NFL as to what really happened in that elevator. Personally I think the NFL was all too happy to swallow his fiction of events and have been playing CYA ever since the tape came out.

I have not seen anything that proves that Rice lied. In fact, everything I have read says Rice told the truth and the NFL is the one lying about how much they knew. Rice said right up front everything that happened according to reports and the NFL claims they hadn't seen the tape even though there is proof they received it and that at least one person watched it.

 

[KeepOnRollin]

But the NFL can have their own policies in place outside of legal or not. Unless I'm missing it and you're saying they shouldn't. It's legal to smoke pot in Colorado and Washington, but not for NFL players in those cities. I think it's ok for them to have their own code of conduct. And I think deactivating with pay while reviewing, versus suspending, makes sense in a lot of cases.

Ya, no I understand they can. I saying if Sly thinks they should be consistent in their efforts like he stated above then they shouldn't have a policy that differs from their other cases where they suspend or ban someone.

Also I was just piggy backing on lawyer quote I provided above but the NFL isn't the one suspending with pay. That is the teams and I think that is smart. It has only been 1 case so far (the Rice case) but the NFL needs to get the policy in order where they aren't providing Double Jeopardy and basically kicking someone out of the NFL on their first offense even though their policy states that is only a 6 game ban. Rice has a huge grievance against the NFL and I think he would win any legal fight personally.

 

[PtldPlatypus]

Peterson hasn't been charged last I looked. He admitted what happened but the law is actually deciding if what he did is illegal. NFL should let them do their work before anything is decide imo.

Not only has Peterson been charged; he's been indicted. And since the NFL's policy is titled "personal conduct", not "criminal conduct", there is no reason for them to wait for anything, considering he has already admitted to bruising and cutting his own child with a stick. Criminal or not, that "personal conduct" is undeniably deplorable.