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Rumor has it that Sly would be over 300 years old on Mercury.
 
HailBlazers said:
Does Vince Carter take minutes from Courtney Lee? Veteran Depth is important.
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I just wasn't that impressed with AA. I think there will be cheaper options that we can get that will help the team just as much.
 
Strenuus said:
It's cute when people conveniently forget why AA was brought in here to do as a bench player behind Wes, to satisfy a loop-holed argument. It's really, really cute. Like, super cute.


And sad. Very, very sad. Like, super sad.
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Cute and sad. Like Eeyore.
 
Rastapopoulos said:
What value do you think we'd get from him if he didn't? You really think there's much of a market for what he brings? Sometimes you've got to admit you screwed up and move on.
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He would have been golden backing up Wes and Nic. Wes's injury forced AA into the starting lineup in an unfamiliar system long before he was able to learn who does what when. Plus, his shoulder injury made that transition even harder to make. With a healthy Wes, Afflalo is going to be a STUD off the bench for us...
 
BlazerWookee said:
He would have been golden backing up Wes and Nic. Wes's injury forced AA into the starting lineup in an unfamiliar system long before he was able to learn who does what when. Plus, his shoulder injury made that transition even harder to make. With a healthy Wes, Afflalo is going to be a STUD off the bench for us...
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BUT WE NEED SCAPEGOATS!!! :MARIS61:
 
Strenuus said:
BUT WE NEED SCAPEGOATS!!! :MARIS61:
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So now the President of the United States isn't good enough for you?

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Rastapopoulos said:
Sadly, even when he was "competent" he was
(a) on a shitty team
(b) not actually helping that shitty team

He's the classic stat-padder. And now he's not even that.



How about neither? Unless it's on the Lakers, in which case I hope they snap him up.



First "competent", now "decent". You sure know how to damn with faint praise.

Sometimes you just walk away and accept the cap space. If you keep him to flip him, you run the risk of him becoming Gerald Wallace, which he certainly looked on the way to being. Besides which, he either has to have minutes, in which case he's taking away from our younger players who are actually better than him by just about every measure, or he's on the bench feeling sorry for himself, which is just awkward. I HOPE that Olshey doesn't feel like the fact that he gave up a pick for him (and has a history with him) means he has to keep the guy.

I'm really tired of the "he was injured" bullshit. He wasn't injured when we got him (or if he was, where's the receipt? I want our money back) and he was shit then. He was shit for Denver the whole year. He's never been a good passer or a good rebounder, and I'd like to see evidence he's actually a good defender. He's so much worse than Wes it's not funny. I think people feel like they have to stick up for him because of the euphoria of the trade. Well, I've been there with Oden, I don't feel the need to do that again.
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We wouldn't really get cap space bro, unless you are also condoning giving up our rights to Lopez, free land and Matthews. Even then, we would get roughly 18 mil. What we won't have is MLE
 
magnifier661 said:
We wouldn't really get cap space bro, unless you are also condoning giving up our rights to Lopez, free land and Matthews. Even then, we would get roughly 18 mil. What we won't have is MLE
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Where the hell do we have free land at? WANT!
 
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magnifier661 said:
We wouldn't really get cap space bro, unless you are also condoning giving up our rights to Lopez, free land and Matthews. Even then, we would get roughly 18 mil. What we won't have is MLE
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Kamans Team Option and have $22M (would also prefer getting rid of Blake's $2.2M somehow). That's enough to sign Wes, an upgrade at center (Tyson Chandler) a wing or PG with the remaining $3-6M, and then use the $2.8M room exception on a cheap big (bring Kaman or Freeland back.. Or sign Kofous)

So yeah getting rid of Afflalo and 1 or 2 others gives us cap space to seriously upgrade this team
 
BonesJones said:
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Kamans Team Option and have $22M (would also prefer getting rid of Blake's $2.2M somehow). That's enough to sign Wes, an upgrade at center (Tyson Chandler) a wing or PG with the remaining $3-6M, and then use the $2.8M room exception on a cheap big (bring Kaman or Freeland back.. Or sign Kofous)

So yeah getting rid of Afflalo and 1 or 2 others gives us cap space to seriously upgrade this team
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So in your scenario, we lose Lopez, Kaman, Blake and Afflalo for Chandler?

kaman would not come back for less sorry. Kufos for 2.8 mil? Not gonna happen.

Here's another scenario.

Sign everyone already on the team, then use the MLE (5.5 mil) to sign a vet, then try and trade Batum, Crabbe and pick for Hibbert.
 
magnifier661 said:
So in your scenario, we lose Lopez, Kaman, Blake and Afflalo for Chandler?

kaman would not come back for less sorry. Kufos for 2.8 mil? Not gonna happen.

Here's another scenario.

Sign everyone already on the team, then use the MLE (5.5 mil) to sign a vet, then try and trade Batum, Crabbe and pick for Hibbert.
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You act like losing Blake is a bad thing. And that losing Afflalo is bad when there's no minutes available for him. Kaman has $1M guaranteed so it'd technically be $3.8M, i think he'd return for that. You upgrade Rolo with Chandler and have money to round out your bench by going and getting a CJ Watson type.

You think by clearing $24M we'd only sign Chandler and resign Wes? Cmon now..

This wasnt supposed to be a scenario, it was just supposed to show how getting rid of Afflalo could help us improve our team with the cap space cleared but you didn't even bother to read it right
 
BonesJones said:
You act like losing Blake is a bad thing. And that losing Afflalo is bad when there's no minutes available for him. Kaman has $1M guaranteed so it'd technically be $3.8M, i think he'd return for that. You upgrade Rolo with Chandler and have money to round out your bench by going and getting a CJ Watson type.

You think by clearing $24M we'd only sign Chandler and resign Wes? Cmon now..

This wasnt supposed to be a scenario, it was just supposed to show how getting rid of Afflalo could help us improve our team with the cap space cleared but you didn't even bother to read it right
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Actually I did bother reading your entire post. Stop acting sensitive with those that disagree with you.

I doubt Kaman will ever come back to Portland if we let him go. We can agree to disagree with that.

As for Chandler being the only player, I was replying to your suggestion. Sorry if you not being clear enough got in the way.

Even in your scenario, we lose Blake, Kaman, Lopez and Afflalo. So we got Chandler, Kufos is out of the question at 2.8 mil. Build your team bro...
 
The love for Chandler is understandable...I guess. But let's not forget how old he is getting. He's going to be 33. Sooner than later, the floor is going to drop from underneath him if you will.

They need players that will be able to be just as potent in the playoffs as they are in game 10 and are able to sustain long playoff drives.
 
magnifier661 said:
Actually I did bother reading your entire post. Stop acting sensitive with those that disagree with you.

I doubt Kaman will ever come back to Portland if we let him go. We can agree to disagree with that.

As for Chandler being the only player, I was replying to your suggestion. Sorry if you not being clear enough got in the way.

Even in your scenario, we lose Blake, Kaman, Lopez and Afflalo. So we got Chandler, Kufos is out of the question at 2.8 mil. Build your team bro...
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You forgot the part where we'd have around $6M in cap space after signing Chandler and Wes... We could use that for a wing/PG or keep Kaman

-Losing Blake means nothing. A PG drafted at 23rd is an upgrade.
-Afflalo? We don't need him. He's overpaid and would just take minutes from younger, more talented players. We need a slashing SF, not another inconsistent, spot up shooter
-Lose Lopez? It doesnt matter if you upgrade him
-Lose Kaman? We could easily find a cheap $2.8M replacement or use the same $5M to sign a better backup (someone like Brandon Wright)

Basically we could be the same team that can't attack the rim and plays insanely inconsistent, often soft kind of basketball

Or we can shed overpaid players, and use the money to upgrade our staying lineup and bench, while getting payers that have complimenting styles to one another and play with some fire and emotion.
 
magnifier661 said:
As for Chandler being the only player, I was replying to your suggestion. Sorry if you not being clear enough got in the way.
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"That's enough to sign Wes, an upgrade at center (Tyson Chandler) a wing or PG with the remaining $3-6M, and then use the $2.8M room exception on a cheap big"

That doesnt sound like "Chandler being the only player"
 
And the scenario was just an example of how we'd be able to upgrade our team by cutting ties with Afflalo. Not something that needs to be completely dissected and debated
 
Hindsight the trade wasn't bad for the simple fact that the 2016 draft is supposed to be as weak as the 2000 draft.

We shed non-building blocks - Barton/Robinson and hopefuly Afflalo.

And dodge paying a second-round talent first-round money in 2016.

Fwiw, Malik Pope would've gone mid/late-first this year - Ford has him projected to go top-5 next year.
 
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