Al Franken is Challenging This Ballot

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The Coleman campaign challenged this, for example:

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I think that challenge is exactly and precisely as ludicrous as the one Franken made in the case cited by the original post. I'm sure both will be rejected. But both candidate's lawyers are pursuing the same strategy here.

And through Day 1 of the recount, Coleman has challenged 115 votes vs 103 for Franken.

http://www.fivethirtyeight.com/2008/11/on-first-day-of-recount-franken-gains.html

Sure looks like Franken "stealing the election" to me...

SR
 
maxiep said:
Pretty much anyone is preferable to me than Al Franken.
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My preference is that every unethical congressman be drummed out of office. Stevens is a huge relief. It is a shame about William Jefferson and a bunch of other reps that were reelected.
 
lukewarmplay said:
Here's another one the Coleman camp is challenging:
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And here's one the Franken camp is challenging as being an invalid ballot for having two votes for President:
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Here's a ballot that wasn't counted as an overvote- Franken's camp is challenging that status:
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Coleman challenges:
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Both challenge:
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All these and more are from http://minnesota.publicradio.org/features/2008/11/19_challenged_ballots/
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So Franken voters also double the votes for "Lizard People". Why is that guy's finger in one photo?
 
PapaG said:
Why is that guy's finger in one photo?
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There are lots of ways people misvote. This guy cut his finger off and taped it to the ballot pointing to the candidate he was voting for.

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barfo said:
There are lots of ways people misvote. This guy cut his finger off and taped it to the ballot pointing to the candidate he was voting for.

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That is dedication, and that is worth a double vote.
 
They should just let me recount those votes, I would be perfect for the job. Even though I wanna punch Al Franken in his ugly face.
 
I was hoping that common sense would prevail in this race, but Al Franken is involved so there's no chance of that ever happening.

He's running on the legacy of Paul Wellstone. This guy is nothing more than a creation of the Democracy Now! type crowd, a phony, fugazi.
 
Real said:
I was hoping that common sense would prevail in this race, but Al Franken is involved so there's no chance of that ever happening.

He's running on the legacy of Paul Wellstone. This guy is nothing more than a creation of the Democracy Now! type crowd, a phony, fugazi.
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Let's just let the recount process unfold and see who wins.
 
maxiep said:
Sure. Who cares if democracy is hi-jacked in the process?
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What basis is there to think that democracy is being hijacked? The recount appears to be unfolding in a bipartisan, professional way. As the pics linked to higher up in this thread suggest, both campaigns are being pretty liberal about challenging "dubious" ballots, but everything I've read suggests that the frivolous challenges will be recognized as such and tossed out; is there any evidence whatsoever that anything nefarious is going on?
 
Stepping Razor said:
What basis is there to think that democracy is being hijacked? The recount appears to be unfolding in a bipartisan, professional way. As the pics linked to higher up in this thread suggest, both campaigns are being pretty liberal about challenging "dubious" ballots, but everything I've read suggests that the frivolous challenges will be recognized as such and tossed out; is there any evidence whatsoever that anything nefarious is going on?
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I find the found ballots and the mathematical tabulation errors that are seemingly only in favor of Franken as suspect.
 
That's the long and the short of developments today -- apparently Norm Coleman's campaign has challenged some ballots because they contained votes for both Republican presidential nominee and Al Franken, or a vote for John McCain and no one in the Senate race. Clearly, in Coleman's world, there's no such thing as a split-ticket voter.
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http://www.mncampaignreport.com/diary/2165/coleman-camp-if-we-dont-like-a-ballot-were-challenging-ithttp://www.mncampaignreport.com/diary/2165/coleman-camp-if-we-dont-like-a-ballot-were-challenging-it

Maxiep, I find your findings completely non-suspect. :ohno:

And Real, words cannot express my disappointment of late.
 
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lukewarmplay said:
Well, I wasn't responding to your post, but absolutely I know why you do. That part was this: :ohno:
Also maybe a little of this::rant:and:vmad:, some :gasoline: and a lot of :pokecrap:

Meanwhile...
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Nope, I'm perfectly reasonable about it. I think both parties diminish voting when they dispute obvious votes for the other candidate. If Al Franken won fair and square, then I'll feel sorry for the Senate, but I'm fine with it. It's the will of the people. When I suspect that judges and election officials are trying to tilt the election in favor of one candidate, then I become concerned.
 
BUt they aren't. They can challenge a ballot for Coleman where the circle is perfectly, neatly filled in. That doesn't mean they will win the challenge. Let's let democracy work and see who wins, instead of trying to short democracy by trying to bully the otherside into forfeiting like Coleman was trying to do earlier.
 
Nobody's really doing anything wrong here- as the guy at 538.com says, it's obviously in their interest to challenge as many ballots as possible. The problem is, once the judgments start coming in on those ballots, if they flip the election, people in this forum (and more importantly, elsewhere) will cry foul and "suspect" things. Which is too bad, because this has been a terrifically conducted recount.
 
Денг Гордон said:
BUt they aren't. They can challenge a ballot for Coleman where the circle is perfectly, neatly filled in. That doesn't mean they will win the challenge. Let's let democracy work and see who wins, instead of trying to short democracy by trying to bully the otherside into forfeiting like Coleman was trying to do earlier.
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Again, I'm not talking about the challenging of ballots. I'm talking about the tabulation errors and found ballots--all in favor of Franken. Democracy is wonderful, but you have to be vigilant in its defense. Letting political cronies affect these elections through wrongdoing without standing up to them is the opposite of democracy.
 
maxiep said:
Again, I'm not talking about the challenging of ballots. I'm talking about the tabulation errors and found ballots--all in favor of Franken. Democracy is wonderful, but you have to be vigilant in its defense. Letting political cronies affect these elections through wrongdoing without standing up to them is the opposite of democracy.
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Cept in Florida or Ohio.
 
julius said:
Why are ballots that didn't vote for either Frankin or Coleman being contested?

What purpose would it serve?
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Apparently Franken has experienced ballot judges on his team, while the Coleman campaign has no idea what they're supposed to do.
 
Денг Гордон said:
Apparently Franken has experienced ballot judges on his team, while the Coleman campaign has no idea what they're supposed to do.
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That simply can't be true. Franken is a comedian. Coleman is a republican. Obviously you have your information backwards.
 
maxiep said:
Again, I'm not talking about the challenging of ballots. I'm talking about the tabulation errors and found ballots--all in favor of Franken. Democracy is wonderful, but you have to be vigilant in its defense. Letting political cronies affect these elections through wrongdoing without standing up to them is the opposite of democracy.
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why do you assume if the vast majority of new found ballots being in in favor of one guy would mean he's the one that is corrupt? Isn't there a decent possibility that the other side might have been doing a more vigilant job of effecting/suppressing the vote and this recount is flushing out those suppressed ballots?

STOMP
 
julius said:
Why are ballots that didn't vote for either Frankin or Coleman being contested?

What purpose would it serve?
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The Coleman camp wants them to count as votes for Coleman- obviously, they know this is frivolous (or at least i hope they do), but it's probably for the whole apparent lead thing.

Maxiep, what found ballots are you referring to? Is there anything you can link to? Or tabulation errors?
 
Franken is going to win this imo. Norm Coleman's campaign has gone through the roof in the number of challenged ballots, and the gap between Coleman/Franken is now bigger than when the recount started. A large challenge gap has developed.

The Colemand strategy is to have this big lead going into the challenges, and then when Franken starts making up the deficit quickly during the challenges (because of Coleman's frivolous challenges) to say that Franken is trying to steal the election by putting votes such as those in the original post in the Franken column, even though that won't be what is happening in reality.
 
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