Aldridge is playing too much

[Mediocre Man]

We desperately need him, but he played 51 minutes last night and 49 against the L*kers. By my poor math that is 100 minutes in the last two games. Portland needs to start being extremely pro active and sign at least 1 big from the D league ASAP. LA can't continue to go that many minutes.

 

[RoyToy]

Said this after the Lakers game.

McMillan can easily give him a couple more minutes before putting him back in the 2nd quarter. Last night the Blazers were up by 4 and Aldridge checked in with 11min to play in the 2nd quarter. McMillan could have easily waited a couple more minutes at the very least. Same thing can be said for the Lakers game.

Unless the team is getting drilled without him just give him the extra minutes on the bench. Just because you go down by 4 doesn't mean you have to bring him right in.

 

[BlazerCaravan]

What we really need to do is win games in regulation.

Anyway, Camby's back tomorrow. Wallace joins tomorrow. LMA will rest.

 

[handiman]

Those are both overtime games, though, which makes the raw numbers somewhat meaningless. 44 and 46 minutes in back to back games is high, but not unheard of.

 

[B-Roy]

Those are both overtime games, though, which makes the raw numbers somewhat meaningless. 44 and 46 minutes in back to back games is high, but not unheard of.

When we're so underhanded too. The minutes will hopefully change with Wallace/Camby.

 

[Nikolokolus]

I couldn't agree more ... but I've got to believe this hasn't completely slipped Cho's attention either.

 

[RoyToy]

What we really need to do is win games in regulation.

Anyway, Camby's back tomorrow. Wallace joins tomorrow. LMA will rest.

Where did you hear that Camby is back tomorrow? Good news if true.

And those were OT games yeah, but he averaged over 40min a game in January and he's averaging 42min a game this month. That's just too much.

Guys are coming back so hopefully it will go down now. It really needs to.

 

[Nikolokolus]

I wonder if they could convince Leon Powe to come here for the rest of the season? I liked him a lot before the knee injury in Boston.

 

[B-Roy]

Leon Powe knee injury

Hey look! The answer to your question was in your post!

 

[Road Blocker]

Sounds like Boston wants Powe if Troy Murphy does not become available.

 

[BlazerBeav]

Where did you hear that Camby is back tomorrow? Good news if true.

McMillan said he thinks Camby will play Sunday on the post-game show last night with Wheels and Harvey.

 

[Mediocre Man]

LA has played what, the second most minutes in the legue this year? That's not good for the long haul

 

[illmatic99]

We have 2 roster spots open, Joel will not be bought out (see link in Joel thread), and Chosen 1 said he'd address the situation this week.

I think we'll see a big here soon enough.

 

[maxiep]

It's a temporary move, and after a week off from the All Star break, LA had to be feeling a bit fresher. If these games would have come before the All Star break, I think it would have been a different story.

Wallace helps tremendously with allowing him to get some rest. Camby needs to come back, too. At that point, we can get his minutes down between 32-38 a night. Mostly, we need to start blowing shit teams out, so he can sit the entire 4th quarter.

 

[PapaG]

Yet another anti-Nate thread, but this time in a more back-handed manner.

"You play to win the game."

 

[illmatic99]

Some players I might consider for our big man hole:

-Troy Murphy
-Steve Novak
-Leon Powe
-Courtney Sims
-Marcus Cousin
-Pops Mensah Bonsu

I also want a PG with the roster spot, and I'll take either Bibby or Ford.

 

[BrianFromWA]

Just say no to Bibby. Please. I beg you. Don't do it.

Even with his ~40% 3pt shooting (43% this year, 39% last year) he's hovering around a 12 PER in his last 150 games. Why? He turns the ball over a ton, doesn't bring much offense to the table other than those 3s, and doesn't have an appreciably high assist ratio (on a team with Joe Johnson, Josh Smith and Al Horford?). And yes, PER encapsulates most of his worth to a team b/c he "plays" defense like a paraplegic plays Wii.

"Playoff experience": He's been in the playoffs 4 of the last 5 years. PERs of 12, 7, 15 and 12. http://www.basketball-reference.com/players/b/bibbymi01.html

 

[STOMP]

LA has played what, the second most minutes in the legue this year? That's not good for the long haul

2nd time I've posted this today... in his 20's, KG averaged 39.7 MPG over 5 seasons missing only 3 games. He's a 34 year old 14 time All Star. How's that for the long haul?

I'm not worried about LA's minutes so much as I'm thrilled about his play

STOMP

 

[BBert]

Just say no to Bibby. Please. I beg you. Don't do it.http://www.basketball-reference.com/players/b/bibbymi01.html

Co-sign. Hell, I'll pay for the signature gatherers on the petition. How bad of an idea is going after Bibby? John Canzano was on the radio saying they should sign him, that's how bad.

 

[BlazerCaravan]

Co-sign. Hell, I'll pay for the signature gatherers on the petition. How bad of an idea is going after Bibby? John Canzano was on the radio saying they should sign him, that's how bad.

I think only people who haven't seen him since he was on the Kings with Webber would really be pining for him... he's fallen far from that level since.

 

[blazerboy30]

Does anybody have any data or stats that show what "too many minutes" means? Or are people just pretending they know what they are talking about and saying that "random number" is too much?

 

[illmatic99]

I didn't realize Bibby had fallen off so much. I had him on my fantasy team for the first few months this season, and he was producing.

 

[BlazerCaravan]

Does anybody have any data or stats that show what "too many minutes" means? Or are people just pretending they know what they are talking about and saying that "random number" is too much?

When a player can't effectively perform in the 4th quarter because he is tired, he's played too many minutes. Track those observations over several weeks, and see what it averages out to. There's some good splits on this; I tend to sort the game log by minutes and see where most of the wins come in.

EDIT: though to look at it, he's just fucking beasting at nearly any minute level. Looks like he hits the wall at 44 minutes; we're 4-6 when he plays 44 or more minutes a game. We're 15-6 when he plays 40-44 minutes. We're 8-5 when he plays 38-40 minutes. We're 6-8 when he plays less than 38 minutes.

Looking at his GameScore rankings, we're 7-0 when he gets a GmSc of 30 or better, and in all those games he played between 41 and 44 minutes.

So, his range for peak performance is 38-44 minutes a game. We are 23-11 in that range.

 

[oldmangrouch]

Just say no to Bibby. Please. I beg you. Don't do it.

Even with his ~40% 3pt shooting (43% this year, 39% last year) he's hovering around a 12 PER in his last 150 games. Why? He turns the ball over a ton, doesn't bring much offense to the table other than those 3s, and doesn't have an appreciably high assist ratio (on a team with Joe Johnson, Josh Smith and Al Horford?). And yes, PER encapsulates most of his worth to a team b/c he "plays" defense like a paraplegic plays Wii.

"Playoff experience": He's been in the playoffs 4 of the last 5 years. PERs of 12, 7, 15 and 12. http://www.basketball-reference.com/players/b/bibbymi01.html

In other words, he's become Damon.

I agree with you...just say "no."

 

[blazerboy30]

When a player can't effectively perform in the 4th quarter because he is tired, he's played too many minutes. Track those observations over several weeks, and see what it averages out to. There's some good splits on this; I tend to sort the game log by minutes and see where most of the wins come in.

EDIT: though to look at it, he's just fucking beasting at nearly any minute level. Looks like he hits the wall at 44 minutes; we're 4-6 when he plays 44 or more minutes a game. We're 15-6 when he plays 40-44 minutes. We're 8-5 when he plays 38-40 minutes. We're 6-8 when he plays less than 38 minutes.

There might be a causation / correlation issue here. Is he playing less in the games we win because we have decent leads and he can afford to rest, or are we *really* better when he plays less than 44 minutes? I tend to think it is the former.

Looking at his GameScore rankings, we're 7-0 when he gets a GmSc of 30 or better, and in all those games he played between 41 and 44 minutes.

His GmSc goes down when he plays over 44 minutes, compared to between 41 and 44 minutes?

 

[BlazerCaravan]

There might be a causation / correlation issue here. Is he playing less in the games we win because we have decent leads and he can afford to rest, or are we *really* better when he plays less than 44 minutes? I tend to think it is the former.

The single stat won't solve this issue; I'd have to look at individual game logs for those high minute games. I'll offer up my hypothesis that his teammates can't support him, causing his rest times to shrink, causing additional fatigue and poor play late in the games... leading to losses.

His GmSc goes down when he plays over 44 minutes, compared to between 41 and 44 minutes?

His GmScs for 44+ minute games are not in the Top7, that's for sure. He's played 10 games of 44+ minutes; one is in the Top 7, but its was 44:03 (3 seconds over 44 minutes), so it's literally the line. Anyway...

Remember that his top 10 GmSc's are 28 and above. His median GmSc is 16.9. Here are the GmSc's from his most-minute games:

50:55 - 19.6 Win (DEN)*
48:33 - 28.1 Loss (LAL)*
46:21 - 20.4 Win (IND)
45:58 - 12.0 Loss (OKC)**
45:56 - 10.3 Win (SAC)
45:16 - 12.6 Loss (BOS)**
44:41 - 29.7 Loss (MIA)*
44:16 - 17.9 Loss (DAL)
44:14 - 11.6 Loss (BOS)
44:03 - 32.5 Win (MIL)

*Overtime
**Old LMA

So, since Beast Mode, we're 4-4 when LMA is playing HYOOGE minutes. Counting only Beast Mode regulation games, we're 3-2. So maybe I was wrong above; maybe he's basically as good as he usually is when he plays a ton of minutes versus a lot of minutes...

 

[Mediocre Man]

Bump, just in case Aldridge is really hurt I can say I told you so.


This has nothing to do with Nate, by the way. Not his fault we only have one legit post player

 

[tlongII]

Bump, just in case Aldridge is really hurt I can say I told you so.


This has nothing to do with Nate, by the way. Not his fault we only have one legit post player

I don't think you can blame this on Aldridge playing too much.

 

[Blazinaway]

thank goodness he's back!

 

[Mediocre Man]

Thank God it's not serious