ALDRIDGE SIGNED! (merged)

[BenDavis503]

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Wow we are complaining about signing LMA?

Good fucking Christ!

And who fucking cares if he was an allstar or not? All Star voting is a popularity contests! Not a skill contests!

 

[BlazersBlood]

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I didn't get to say it in my last post, but here it is...Congrats LMA & Blazer fans! This is a good day. We've got 2 of our cornerstones locked up for the next 6 years or so. Lots of good times and winning ahead for all of us.

 

[SlyPokerDog]

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I won the bet! Hurray! Yippee!



Thanks KP!!

 

[Erroneous Subterfuge]

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Wow we are complaining about signing LMA?

Good fucking Christ!

And who fucking cares if he was an allstar or not? All Star voting is a popularity contests! Not a skill contests!

David West was a reserve, voted on by the coaches. I'm pretty sure it had something to do with skill as well as team success.

 

[STOMP]

Wow we are complaining about signing LMA?

Good fucking Christ!

And who fucking cares if he was an allstar or not? All Star voting is a popularity contests! Not a skill contests!

LA is my favorite Blazer but I sure do hope that there are a lot of incentives built in here as 14M per is too rich for me. As others have indicated, this would seem to hurt their chances of signing other key players down the line.

STOMP

 

[THE HCP]

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5 year/65million

 

[BrianFromWA]

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If HCP's right, that comes to:
2010-11: 10.75
2011-12: 11.87
2012-13: 13
2013-14: 14.13
2014-15: 15.25

 

[BlazersBlood]

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LA is my favorite Blazer but I sure do hope that there are a lot of incentives built in here as 14M per is too rich for me. As others have indicated, this would seem to hurt their chances of signing other key players down the line.

STOMP

How? We'll never be under the cap again for a long time anyways.

 

[ppilot]

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5 year/65million

A little higher than I was expecting, but we are going to be over the cap anyway so whats another 1 or 2 million. It's Paul allen's money

 

[Masbee]

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LMA > David West

Assume this is true.

David West = $9mil per (under the old economic system)

LaMarcus = $11mil per (under the new declining revenues) = WAAAAY more $$$.

 

[PapaG]

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I'd have been happier in the $58-60 million range over 5 years.

Still, good news.

 

[crowTrobot]

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west is 5 years older and presumably playing at his ceiling. not really a valid comparison.

 

[BlazerWookee]

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LMA >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> David West

fixed

 

[Masbee]

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There would be no way we'd be under the cap...no matter how much money we invested in Aldridge. Roy, Oden, & Aldridge would basically take up the entire cap anyhow. That's why everybody was freaking out about Raef's contract not getting traded, and the lack of FA signings this last summer because everybody knows that the summer of '09 would be the final time we'd be under the cap as long as we are contending.

Forget the damn cap.

This is about the luxury tax.

No matter what people think they know, Paul Allen is not going to pay huge lux tax bills year after year after year after year.

That ship sailed.

The only way this team can afford a huge monster payroll, with lux tax every year is if the economic model is changed:

In other words the TrailBlazers would have to move to another city.

 

[B-Roy]

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west is 5 years older and presumably playing at his ceiling. not really a valid comparison.

Even still, you're paying quite a bit for potential. Sometimes it works out, but sometimes you get Darius Miles...

 

[Rastapopoulos]

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Wow we are complaining about signing LMA?
Good fucking Christ!

What he said.

And who fucking cares if he was an allstar or not? All Star voting is a popularity contests! Not a skill contests!

Again.

Where was it I saw that Aldridge was among the league leaders in adjusted +/- or some team stat that takes defense into account? He may not be a great rebounder but he is one of the more athletic big men in the league, has the best/ONLY low post game on the Blazers and can guard little men on switches.

PLUS, we need to have him under contract, in case we need to trade him for Chris Bosh...

 

[Rastapopoulos]

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Forget the damn cap.

This is about the luxury tax.
No matter what people think they know, Paul Allen is not going to pay huge lux tax bills year after year after year after year.
That ship sailed.
The only way this team can afford a huge monster payroll, with lux tax every year is if the economic model is changed:
In other words the TrailBlazers would have to move to another city.

Remember, the CBA might change at the end of this year anyway, so there's no point getting your knickers in a twist. Live in the moment. This is a GOOD THING. In the long run we're all dead.

 

[BlazersBlood]

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Forget the damn cap.

This is about the luxury tax.

No matter what people think they know, Paul Allen is not going to pay huge lux tax bills year after year after year after year.

That ship sailed.

The only way this team can afford a huge monster payroll, with lux tax every year is if the economic model is changed:

In other words the TrailBlazers would have to move to another city.

If Allen is serious about winning a championship, this is his window to do it. He knows we've got to keep the core together, and he signed off on the deal knowing the long-term ramifications.

 

[crowTrobot]

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Even still, you're paying quite a bit for potential.

that's the way the league works unfortunately. if you don't pay for potential, someone else will.

 

[ppilot]

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Forget the damn cap.

This is about the luxury tax.

No matter what people think they know, Paul Allen is not going to pay huge lux tax bills year after year after year after year.

That ship sailed.

The only way this team can afford a huge monster payroll, with lux tax every year is if the economic model is changed:

In other words the TrailBlazers would have to move to another city.

You really think that Paul Allen wasn't involved in this process? It's not like the blazer brain trust got together and pulled that salary figure out of a hat.

 

[BLAZER PROPHET]

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Because the cap is going DOWN, and the escalating contracts of Roy and now Aldridge means the payroll is shooting back UP, which means.....

paying this amount of money to Aldridge (ie, 13 to 15mil per instead of 10 or 11mil per) will pretty likely cost us a decent role player down the road.

In other words, though it won't be explicit in the connection to the big contracts, the team will swap one of our decent players who has a market rate of, say, $7mil per, for a lesser player who they can get for $3 or $4mil per.

Or, they will pass on signing a nice player who is going for the full MLE, and instead sign some vet who well accept a partial MLE deal.

I like LaMarcus, but I am not all that happy with this deal.

David West who is:

An All-Star, something LaMarcus is not.
And who signed his contract under the old economic climate where everyone in the NBA assumed the cap would keep going up every year

Signed a 5 year, $45mil deal. Yep, less than $10mil per.

In 2 or 3 years we're going to be a 3 man team anyway. And it'll be better then stockpiling talent like we do now. Our big 3 and some complimentary role players and we're set.

 

[Schilly]

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So let's see... What other city would allow for larger revenue for the Blazers.... Hmmm Seattle? Well maybe but the city and state have made it clear they aren't going to help build a new stadium, and The Sonics already left because the stadium was deemed unworthy by NBA standards. SO Paul could build a new one to the tune of say 600 milliion. If the luxury tax is 75 million Portland would have to be at 90 million for 40 years for Paul to spend 600 million on Luxury tax.

So I think I'd scratch Seatlle, so Kansas City? Vegas? Yeah not going to do better there than in Portland. You'd have to go to a NBA ready market that has a larger media market than Portland for that to make sense and for the most part all those markets already have NBA teams.

 

[Masbee]

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Remember, the CBA might change at the end of this year anyway, so there's no point getting your knickers in a twist. Live in the moment. This is a GOOD THING. In the long run we're all dead.

The new CBA, if anything, will ratify the new economic enviroment and reduce the ability of teams paying monster contracts for most or all players. In other words, the guys that get deals now will be happy they got paid before the new, meaner system is in place.

I was one of a group that was all in a "twist" over the deals made to retain Darius, Zach and Theo. We hated those deals the moment they happened. Others posters were dancing the jig, putting us down for nitpicking, "its only PA's money", "it doesn't matter if we overpaid", blah, blah, blah.

Same shit.

Turns out that group of posters was right.

LaMarcus is not Darius or Theo, but he has been overpaid, and is being paid as much on POTENTIAL as actual achievement.

He MAY live up to this rich contract, in which case he will be FAIRLY paid. He almost can't be overpaid. He doesn't have the upside to be cheap at $15mil per.

But, equally, he MAY not live up to this rich contract. It is a risky deal for the Blazers.

Whatever. Arm Tellum. What do you expect. Seems like every one of his clients is "overpaid".

And for those who continue to dis David West like he is trash. LOL. So far in his career LaMarcus has NOT eclipsed any of the achievements of West.

He should. He is younger and longer. I hope he does. I assume he will. But so far - POTENTIAL.

 

[Ed O]

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5/$65m is a lot of money.

It's not the end of the world, but that seems like more than he deserves relative to other players in the NBA.

Ed O.

 

[Ed O]

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I was one of a group that was all in a "twist" over the deals made to retain Darius, Zach and Theo. We hated those deals the moment they happened. Others posters were dancing the jig, putting us down for nitpicking, "its only PA's money", "it doesn't matter if we overpaid", blah, blah, blah.

Same shit.

Turns out that group of posters was right.

We did tell them so. Sort of. We're too mature to do that, and they (whomever they are; I don't even remember with whom I was arguing) would probably not admit it

Ed O.

 

[Fez Hammersticks]

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5/$65m is a lot of money.

It's not the end of the world, but that seems like more than he deserves relative to other players in the NBA.

Ed O.

With the Raptors setting the bar at $10m/per minimum, it was expected LaMarcus would get something in the $60-$65m range.

 

[MrSelfDestruct]

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Something else to consider is Allen's health. He is getting older and has had health issues. Perhaps he sees this squad as the most likely to bring Portland a championship before he *shudders to think* kicks the bucket and is willing to pay for it.

In the early part of the decade, when we were contending (99/00 specifically) we had a payroll DOUBLE the salary cap. He has shown he is willing to pay for a good product.

http://www.basketball-reference.com/teams/POR/2000.html
http://www.insidehoops.com/nba-salary-cap.shtml

The only way I could see this contract really killing us is if the next CBA contains a hard cap. I don't see many of the current players still on the squad by the end of these extensions, anyways.

 

[MARIS61]

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The object is to have the best players, not to have cap money.

We played the cap money game for 5 years and all we have to show for it is an aging obese shoot first PG who has shattered our team's chemistry and minimized our franchise player's effectiveness.

 

[MARIS61]

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Forget the damn cap.

This is about the luxury tax.

No matter what people think they know, Paul Allen is not going to pay huge lux tax bills year after year after year after year.

That ship sailed.

The only way this team can afford a huge monster payroll, with lux tax every year is if the economic model is changed:

In other words the TrailBlazers would have to move to another city.

Inevitable anyway.

 

[PapaG]

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We did tell them so. Sort of. We're too mature to do that, and they (whomever they are; I don't even remember with whom I was arguing) would probably not admit it

Ed O.

I was on the ESPN board and did not like those deals. So, at least we have that in common.


I also think Portland overpaid for LMA considering the market, but I suppose they didn't want to risk (as I posted earlier this month) another team offering LMA a max deal after the LeBron/Wade/etc. fallacies disappear after they resign with their own teams.