ALDRIDGE SIGNED! (merged)

[PapaG]

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Inevitable anyway.

Sam Adams, Randy Leonard, and the rest of the crew will probably be swayed by the latest rich kid with dreams of an NHL team anyhow.

 

[Masbee]

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5/$65m is a lot of money.

It's not the end of the world, but that seems like more than he deserves relative to other players in the NBA.

Ed O.

I think that 5yr/$50mil Barganini deal that Toronto handed out hurt the Blazers position. It gave Tellum a ton of ammo to hold his ground this summer.

 

[Ed O]

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With the Raptors setting the bar at $10m/per minimum, it was expected LaMarcus would get something in the $60-$65m range.

I don't think that's true. Canada has higher taxes so a contract there is not as valuable as in the US. Further, Bargnani only got five years, not six.

Assuming it's true, though, Portland paid at the upper limit of your expected range. That's too bad.

Ed O.

 

[Ed O]

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I think that 5yr/$50mil Barganini deal that Toronto handed out hurt the Blazers position. It gave Tellum a ton of ammo to hold his ground this summer.

Definitely. But the lack of a Travis Lee deal indicates how limited a players' choices are, and the fact that Millsap signed for less than half of the alleged $65m (at less than two-thirds as much per year) are strong indicators that there was no reason to pay so much.

Oh, well. I'm not outraged by it. I'd just rather have my team getting good deals, rather than being measured with the Raptors' decision-makers.

Ed O.

 

[PapaG]

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I think that 5yr/$50mil Barganini deal that Toronto handed out hurt the Blazers position. It gave Tellum a ton of ammo to hold his ground this summer.

Bargnani's deal had nothing to do with the current market!

 

[PapaG]

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Definitely. But the lack of a Travis Lee deal indicates how limited a players' choices are, and the fact that Millsap signed for less than half of the alleged $65m (at less than two-thirds as much per year) are strong indicators that there was no reason to pay so much.

Oh, well. I'm not outraged by it. I'd just rather have my team getting good deals, rather than being measured with the Raptors' decision-makers.

Ed O.

Huh what? Weren't you ripping on me frequently this summer for insisting that the Bargnani deal set a market value for both Roy/LMA? I thought Deron Williams and Chris Paul were the market?

 

[MARIS61]

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Something else to consider is Allen's health. He is getting older and has had health issues. Perhaps he sees this squad as the most likely to bring Portland a championship before he *shudders to think* kicks the bucket and is willing to pay for it.

In the early part of the decade, when we were contending (99/00 specifically) we had a payroll DOUBLE the salary cap. He has shown he is willing to pay for a good product.

http://www.basketball-reference.com/teams/POR/2000.html
http://www.insidehoops.com/nba-salary-cap.shtml

The only way I could see this contract really killing us is if the next CBA contains a hard cap.

Since the day Vulcan became involved, the real goal has been to maximize value by getting a championship team with a young base of players and selling high. Paul will get his title, take his profit, and sail off into the sunset on this:

http://www.sailingscuttlebutt.com/photos/05/octopus.ppt

 

[MrSelfDestruct]

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Forget the damn cap.

This is about the luxury tax.

No matter what people think they know, Paul Allen is not going to pay huge lux tax bills year after year after year after year.

That ship sailed.

The only way this team can afford a huge monster payroll, with lux tax every year is if the economic model is changed:

In other words the TrailBlazers would have to move to another city.

I disagree on all counts. You don't know if Allen isn't willing to foot the bill. In addition, the team also stands to make more money than it has in the past with the new ticket pricing model, online streaming, increased advertising, etc.

So let's see... What other city would allow for larger revenue for the Blazers.... Hmmm Seattle? Well maybe but the city and state have made it clear they aren't going to help build a new stadium, and The Sonics already left because the stadium was deemed unworthy by NBA standards. SO Paul could build a new one to the tune of say 600 milliion. If the luxury tax is 75 million Portland would have to be at 90 million for 40 years for Paul to spend 600 million on Luxury tax.

To be fair, no matter what proposals Seattle came forward with, they were deemed unsatisfactory by Bennett. From the point of purchase he had no intention of staying, and made sure that happened.

The object is to have the best players, not to have cap money.

I agree with this. From this point on we won't have anything besides the MLE and Vet's Minimum to offer anyway, regardless of LMA's final contract numbers.

 

[The_Lillard_King]

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That Aldrdige/Roy draft was a hell of a draft. Nice to see the two will be in Blazer unis for a long time.

 

[Ed O]

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Huh what? Weren't you ripping on me frequently this summer for insisting that the Bargnani deal set a market value for both Roy/LMA? I thought Deron Williams and Chris Paul were the market?

I don't know what the market is. I can only give opinions on what I would like the Blazers to perceive it as.

I talked about Chris Paul and DWilliams regarding Roy. I don't know what that has to do with the signing of Aldridge.

As for the Bargnani signing: the Raptors overpaid, and the Blazers overpaid if they relied on that deal.

Millsap? He's signed to a good deal. Travis Lee? Whomever signs him next season will probably get a good deal.

The best we can hope with now with Aldridge is that he lives up to his contract, which is based largely on potential. That's not the optimal way to spend money in my opinion.

Ed O.

 

[MrSelfDestruct]

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I don't know what the market is. I can only give opinions on what I would like the Blazers to perceive it as.

I talked about Chris Paul and DWilliams regarding Roy. I don't know what that has to do with the signing of Aldridge.

As for the Bargnani signing: the Raptors overpaid, and the Blazers overpaid if they relied on that deal.

Millsap? He's signed to a good deal. Travis Lee? Whomever signs him next season will probably get a good deal.

The best we can hope with now with Aldridge is that he lives up to his contract, which is based largely on potential. That's not the optimal way to spend money in my opinion.

Ed O.

David Lee

 

[RoyToy]

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I don't care how much the Blazers spend on players. Not my money.

 

[Ed O]

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David Lee

Haha. Yes. Travis Lee never lived up to his potential in MLB, did he?

Ed O.

 

[Bob Dobalina]

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I won the bet! Hurray! Yippee!



Thanks KP!!

That's right! You brought this up at the M&G. Congrats.

 

[illmatic99]

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I'm happy he's gonna be here long term, but I don't think he's earned a contract that lucrative yet.

The team will be paying him based on potential.

 

[STOMP]

How? We'll never be under the cap again for a long time anyways.

well they're technically able to go as far into lux tax land as they choose, but PA has made it pretty clear that he doesn't want the franchise to be hemorrhaging cash

STOMP

 

[Luther]

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Hahaha how is anyone complaining about this? Aldridge is a borderline all-star...All-Stars get max money. He is below the max....It makes no sense to dispute his contract length or worth. Glad its finally done.

 

[SheedSoNasty]

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This is great news!

We just locked up two franchise type players for the next five years. We have a budding center and a slew of young talent that we can develop or package in a trade to upgrade our starting lineup. Life is good.

Now, if they can just stay healthy and find their chemistry again.

 

[Fez Hammersticks]

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Chad Ford Blogs on the class of '06

 

[mook]

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After weighing the arguments here, it does seem pretty high. I'd feel a little more comfortable with it if Aldridge's numbers were trending up, but he's basically put up the exact same statistics two years in a row. Not exactly alarming for a 3rd year player, but not reassuring if you are paying him so much based on his potential to exceed those stats.

This kind of feels like the big contract we gave Rasheed Wallace early in his career. He was paid like a franchise player, when he was never really more than a quality second banana. A lot of people held that against him. Still, though, I was happy to have him locked up to our team, just as I am with Aldridge.

 

[MAS RipCity]

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I'm going to have to take a hiatus from this site. Some of you guys are un-fucking-real..we now have our BIG 3 under contract for the foreseeable future, not only that, but these guys WANT to be here.
We will never ever have cap room again with this core, and it is not OUR money, so who the hell cares how much we spent.
I for one am thrilled we signed the best power forward in the league 3 years from now.

 

[julius]

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I'm going to have to take a hiatus from this site. Some of you guys are un-fucking-real..we now have our BIG 3 under contract for the foreseeable future, not only that, but these guys WANT to be here.
We will never ever have cap room again with this core, and it is not OUR money, so who the hell cares how much we spent.
I for one am thrilled we signed the best power forward in the league 3 years from now.

It does seem like we're amongst people who take things too seriously, and at times, seek out negativity or conspiracy like reasons for things.

Like, instead of just thinking that it's the pre-season, we have to come up with reasons why they're playing bad. As if the fact they haven't played the same starting 5 any of the games (due to injuries and other reasons), and Rudy has missed a lot of the pre-season, and Roy hasn't done jack most of the pre-season (no need to) and Miller still is adjusting a bit doesn't play a role in things.

I'm with yah on the thrilled part, and the hiatus part.

 

[STOMP]

It doesn't come as a surprise that some posters can't understand how two things can be equally true. Everyone is happy that LA is a Blazer, but it appears the club may have overpaid which might limit them resigning other key players in the future if ownership doesn't want to pay the lux tax. Is the problem that those posters don't understand how the lux tax works?

Dude is my favorite Trailblazer, but I'd like to see them be able to resign Rudy, Batum and anyone else who might blow up as well.

STOMP

 

[Shooter]

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I like LaMarcus, but I am not all that happy with this deal.

I have to agree. I can't believe the Blazers dragged their feet on this deal for months, and then signed him for this kind of money. What the heck were they holding out for if they were going to cave in eventually anyway??

 

[andalusian]

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This is what Al Jeff makes. Which makes this deal "market correct". Al Jeff is a better offensive player. LMA is a better defensive player. Overall - does not seem too bad.

 

[alex42083]

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It's a great deal. LA is already a a real good player and borderline All-Star, and he's only going to get better. In 3 years, he's going to be a bargain. To have our two studs locked up for the next five years is a real good thing.

 

[Shooter]

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This is what Al Jeff makes.

Maybe he's overpaid, too.

 

[andalusian]

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Maybe he's overpaid, too.

Well, pretty much all professional athletes are overpaid. But this is the market.

 

[noknobs]

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Great news! Aldridge is worth every penny.

I can't believe the Blazers dragged their feet on this deal for months, and then signed him for this kind of money. What the heck were they holding out for if they were going to cave in eventually anyway??

From Chad Ford

The Blazers, after some verbal sparring, reached an agreement with Roy on a five-year, $80 million dollar max contract. Aldridge was searching for a similar contract from the Blazers but after several months of negotiation settled on a deal worth roughly $15 million less.

I'm sorry to interrupt your negativity though, carry on.

 

[RoyToy]

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If you want to talk about paying too much, look at Rashard Lewis' contract. 6/118.

Aldridge averaged more pts, rebs, blks, and had a better shooting % the past two seasons, and Aldridge can still get better while Lewis has undoubtedly hit his ceiling.