Aldridge would re-sign

[Natebishop3]

That was my frustration here last summer. It was a few posters working under the assumption that LMA definitely would not re-sign, and therefore the Blazers should get whatever they could for him, even if it meant weakening the roster.

That was a panic-driven strategy that was stupid at the time, and is even more stupid in retrospect. Yet one of those posters is now playing the ultimate in 20-20 hindsight, and it's an amusing (and a bit delusional) stance to take at this point.

It would be like spending literally days of one's life here complaining about drafting Lillard, and how it is such a big mistake, and acting adamant about it, and then saying "I didn't know how good he'd be!" after some time had passed. Perhaps the lesson here is that being adamant about an unknown is never a good message board long-term approach to posting.

You know, you guys really make someone want to admit they're wrong when you slam the shit out of them for doing so.

It sends a great message. You should keep it up.

 

[Draco]

You know, you guys really make someone want to admit they're wrong when you slam the shit out of them for doing so.

It sends a great message. You should keep it up.

You've never admitted the strategy was wrong. Only this particularly unlikely outcome.

 

[Hobbesarable]

You know, you guys really make someone want to admit they're wrong when you slam the shit out of them for doing so.

It sends a great message. You should keep it up.

Let it go. You already admitted you were wrong about it. Some people want to continue a conversation while some want to beat you down with a club. Avoid the latter.

 

[Natebishop3]

You've never admitted the strategy was wrong. Only this particularly unlikely outcome.

For some teams I think the strategy is sound. Cleveland should have traded LeBron. Denver traded Melo. Utah traded Deron Williams. Sometimes a star player wants out, they make it clear they want out, and you need to trade them while you can still get reasonable value. The Cavs were never going to get fair value for LeBron. How do you get fair value for the best player in the league? If you were Cleveland, and you could go back, would you trade LeBron knowing that he's going to skip town?

In our case, it worked out for us, and I give most of the credit to Neil, but I also give props to LA for stepping up his game. He has been a huge part of our success this year.

 

[magnifier661]

I think we all can agree that the ones that thought about trading Aldridge for picks and lower tier role players was a very bad idea. Glad that Olshey knew what he was doing!

 

[magnifier661]

For some teams I think the strategy is sound. Cleveland should have traded LeBron. Denver traded Melo. Utah traded Deron Williams. Sometimes a star player wants out, they make it clear they want out, and you need to trade them while you can still get reasonable value. The Cavs were never going to get fair value for LeBron. How do you get fair value for the best player in the league? If you were Cleveland, and you could go back, would you trade LeBron knowing that he's going to skip town?

In our case, it worked out for us, and I give most of the credit to Neil, but I also give props to LA for stepping up his game. He has been a huge part of our success this year.

Give him what he wanted "center" and he will. I was wrong to ever think he should play center. Glad Olshey and the coach agrees. Adding Lopez probably was the biggest move that helped propel Aldridge into a superstar. Amazing how a bench role player now becomes so important to this ball club!

 

[blazerboy30]

I.

Was.

Wrong.

At what point do you shut up?

When you stop reinventing the past.

Also, if you are trying to say that you knew the team was going to be top three in the league before the season started, you are lying. Flat out. Not one person on this forum thought we would be better than third in the west, and I think that was maybe Kingspeed. Now who's reinventing the past?

There you go again with your revisionist's history.

I never said or claimed I thought we would be 3rd in the west. I said we shouldn't make a trade out of fear of what a player *might* do, regardless of our record. You're building strawmen to deflect the attention about your ridiculous guarantees.

 

[blazerboy30]

A man tells you he'll flip a coin, if its heads he'll give you $100 and if its tails he'll give you $0. Would you forgo this opportunity for $30? I never would.

Some posters wanted to take that $30 in the summer because we could end up with nothing. Others of us said you have to hold out for at least $50.

Some posters are arguing only now because we hit heads they are wrong. Others of us are saying they were wrong the entire time.

Nice.

 

[Blazer Fanatic]

Give him what he wanted "center" and he will. I was wrong to ever think he should play center. Glad Olshey and the coach agrees. Adding Lopez probably was the biggest move that helped propel Aldridge into a superstar. Amazing how a bench role player now becomes so important to this ball club!

Oh, I forgot about that already. lol How could I right? That one was HUGE. Hollinger was ALL OVER that for years with PER and stuff. Fail.

 

[Wizard Mentor]

You keep asking for it.....

I will take a Twix. Quickly. Go now. No talking. lol

 

[cmeese47]

LA can be resigned right now. It is fairly simple Olshey has one choice and that is to offer the max to LA. LA cannot argue with a max offer if he is interested in staying nor could he claim that such a conversation would be considered a distraction.

The fact that it has not happened yet might not mean anything or it might suggest that LA is merely leaning towards resigning and is not ready to commit yet.

 

[Blazer Fanatic]

You keep asking for it.....

Noice. lol

 

[Draco]

LA can be resigned right now. It is fairly simple Olshey has one choice and that is to offer the max to LA. LA cannot argue with a max offer if he is interested in staying nor could he claim that such a conversation would be considered a distraction.

The fact that it has not happened yet might not mean anything or it might suggest that LA is merely leaning towards resigning and is not ready to commit yet.

Terrible post. LA can only get a 2 year extension right now, if he waits 5 months it can be for 3 years. Its a much better idea to wait.

 

[cmeese47]

Olshey and LA can negotiate the start time for this summer if they want. LA has decided to stay with the Blazers will sign official extension this summer that would be a good headline. It does nothing to our cap figure this summer and would make it easier to sign someone for the MLE knowing LA will be sticking around.

 

[Rhal]

Man how quickly a thread can get hijacked and turned into a pissing contest. I'm sorry for my part in it but lets get back on topic instead of beating nate with, what has to be by now, a broken "you were wrong" stick and get back to what should be jubilance at the fact our Franchise player is happy and wants to sign an extension.

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[BlazerWookee]

Man how quickly a thread can get hijacked and turned into a pissing contest. I'm sorry for my part in it but lets get back on topic instead of beating nate with, what has to be by now, a broken "you were wrong" stick and get back to what should be jubilance at the fact our Franchise player is happy and wants to sign an extension.

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I know you are, but what am I?

 

[blazerboy30]

Man how quickly a thread can get hijacked and turned into a pissing contest. I'm sorry for my part in it but lets get back on topic instead of beating nate with, what has to be by now, a broken "you were wrong" stick and get back to what should be jubilance at the fact our Franchise player is happy and wants to sign an extension.

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Dumb post.

 

[Draco]

Man how quickly a thread can get hijacked and turned into a pissing contest. I'm sorry for my part in it but lets get back on topic instead of beating nate with, what has to be by now, a broken "you were wrong" stick and get back to what should be jubilance at the fact our Franchise player is happy and wants to sign an extension.

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He and Brian still continue to post trading Aldridge was the correct strategy at the time so many of us will respond with our disagreement. If you don't want to read about it you are free to ignore such posts.

 

[Natebishop3]

He and Brian still continue to post trading Aldridge was the correct strategy at the time so many of us will respond with our disagreement. If you don't want to read about it you are free to ignore such posts.

What? Where?

I've explained why I felt the way I did at the time, but I haven't said that I still think we should trade Aldridge. Pretty sure I've said we should sign him to an extension...

 

[Draco]

What? Where?

I've explained why I felt the way I did at the time, but I haven't said that I still think we should trade Aldridge. Pretty sure I've said we should sign him to an extension...

Every time you and Brian talk about it you bring up the results since the summer as some unexpected reason trading Aldridge is now suddenly a bad idea. I and other are saying it was a bad idea regardless of what the Blazers have done this year. If the team was out of the playoffs right now it still would've been a bad idea to trade Aldridge months ago for less than fair value.

Both you and Brian belittled posters who were unconvinced of your perceptions of Aldridge's feelings. So when either of you bring up these "unexpected events" as the reason your bold statements were wrong some of us will continue to point out your error.

 

[Natebishop3]

Every time you and Brian talk about it you bring up the results since the summer as some unexpected reason trading Aldridge is now suddenly a bad idea. I and other are saying it was a bad idea regardless of what the Blazers have done this year. If the team was out of the playoffs right now it still would've been a bad idea to trade Aldridge months ago for less than fair value.

Both you and Brian belittled posters who were unconvinced of your perceptions of Aldridge's feelings. So when either of you bring up these "unexpected events" as the reason your bold statements were wrong some of us will continue to point out your error.

Yup, Brian and I were out picking on the little guy

I don't remember it that way, but it must be my revisionist history kicking in again.

And if you presented me with an option where I could flip a coin for either $100, $0, or not flip and get $50, I would take the $50 every fucking time. I'm not a gambler.

 

[blazerboy30]

Yup, Brian and I were out picking on the little guy

I don't remember it that way, but it must be my revisionist history kicking in again.

It's the way I remember it. Perhaps you don't understand the meaning of "guarantee". You didn't say LMA might leave if the team didn't get a lot better, or if other trades weren't made. You guaranteed LMA would not re-sign with Portland. Period.

NOW you're trying to claim you had attached qualifiers and "if" statements to the scenario, which you never did.

I'm pretty sure I remember you even saying PapaG and I looked childish for saying that trading LMA would be a fear-driven move.

And if you presented me with an option where I could flip a coin for either $100, $0, or not flip and get $50, I would take the $50 every fucking time. I'm not a gambler.

That wasn't the option or the analogy presented. You wanted to take $30 instead of flipping.

 

[Draco]

Yup, Brian and I were out picking on the little guy

I don't remember it that way, but it must be my revisionist history kicking in again.

And if you presented me with an option where I could flip a coin for either $100, $0, or not flip and get $50, I would take the $50 every fucking time. I'm not a gambler.

No shit, most everyone does that. Nice job totally changing my analogy. I guess when you're wrong you change previous statements to save face.

A man tells you he'll flip a coin, if its heads he'll give you $100 and if its tails he'll give you $0. Would you forgo this opportunity for $30? I never would.

Some posters wanted to take that $30 in the summer because we could end up with nothing. Others of us said you have to hold out for at least $50.

Some posters are arguing only now because we hit heads they are wrong. Others of us are saying they were wrong the entire time.

 

[PapaG]

Yup, Brian and I were out picking on the little guy

You two are both moderators, and yes, anyone who challenged your obviously stupid strategy of a panic trade were, indeed, belittled.

 

[Natebishop3]

It's the way I remember it. Perhaps you don't understand the meaning of "guarantee". You didn't say LMA might leave if the team didn't get a lot better, or if other trades weren't made. You guaranteed LMA would not re-sign with Portland. Period.

NOW you're trying to claim you had attached qualifiers and "if" statements to the scenario, which you never did.

I'm pretty sure I remember you even saying PapaG and I looked childish for saying that trading LMA would be a fear-driven move.




That wasn't the option or the analogy presented. You wanted to take $30 instead of flipping.

No. I never said we should take anything for LA. I thought Neil should wait for the right deal. The rumored deal with Golden State wouldn't have been so bad. One of his options was to "wait for $50" and that would have been my choice.

You realize that your posting like a jackass right now, right? You won't let it alone even though I said I was wrong. You were posting like a child before, and you're still posting like a child.

Your posts do not reflect those of a grown man. <------ insulting the post and not the poster

 

[Natebishop3]

You two are both moderators, and yes, anyone who challenged your obviously stupid strategy of a panic trade were, indeed, belittled.

Of course you wouldn't remember that you, and BB30, were viciously attacking us for our opinions on the matter, but that's cool bro.

 

[PapaG]

The Tristan Thompson/#1 pick trades were even more ridiculous, though. Is there a rookie this year who is even close to being a productive NBA player? Maybe Michael Carter Williams, but he plays the same position as Lillard, and a lot of his production is based on being on a bad team, and given free reign by his coach (the Damon Stoudamire Principle). A lot of us said it was a weak draft, and it was a weak draft.

 

[PapaG]

Of course you wouldn't remember that you, and BB30, were viciously attacking us for our opinions on the matter, but that's cool bro.

Link to where I personally attacked you on your unwillingness to listen to reason? Attacking a stupid and panic-driven strategy and attacking you are two separate things, Nate.

 

[Draco]

No. I never said we should take anything for LA. I thought Neil should wait for the right deal. The rumored deal with Golden State wouldn't have been so bad. One of his options was to "wait for $50" and that would have been my choice.

You realize that your posting like a jackass right now, right? You won't let it alone even though I said I was wrong. You were posting like a child before, and you're still posting like a child.

Your posts do not reflect those of a grown man. <------ insulting the post and not the poster

FAIL. That wasn't an option..

Are your feelings getting hurt? Posters will continue to bring it up when you and or Brian claim the strategy was only wrong because of these "unlikely" events. Some of us believed the strategy was flawed before that.

I know you have 36,000 posts, so maybe this is difficult to you, but I'll give you some advice. Its often told to young children complaining about a sibling. IT TAKE TWO TO ARGUE. If you shut up the conversation will end.

 

[cmeese47]

No. I never said we should take anything for LA. I thought Neil should wait for the right deal. The rumored deal with Golden State wouldn't have been so bad. One of his options was to "wait for $50" and that would have been my choice.

You realize that your posting like a jackass right now, right? You won't let it alone even though I said I was wrong. You were posting like a child before, and you're still posting like a child. <------ insulting the poster and not the post, which is a violation

Your posts do not reflect those of a grown man. <------ insulting the post and not the poster

The last one is within the rules though