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barfo said:
Come on man! Lack of chaos is soooo last year.

We need to make trades just to shake things up and keep people on their toes. Change is good, no matter what the change is. Let's watch the world burn.

Right? Trade Lillard to the Lakers, put Blaze in at point guard. What the hell do you have to lose?

barfo
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make rip city great again
 
Scalma said:
its more getting value for a redundancy
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They don't even play the same position. You do need depth. You don't want to trade Crabbe who could be argued is actually more redundant. With that said I would have no problem trading Aminu in the right deal and would probably trade him before Ed. So fine to trade someone but not sure why it would be for that reason.
 
I don't want to trade crabbe because shooters are the most valuable players in the league right now and we only have three of them.

Aminu and Harkless' skill sets are roughly the same. I want more shooters and/or more size.
 
Aminu is the one asset we have on a reasonable contract (all things considered, including the current state of NBA contracts).
 
Shieeet. So trade everyone apart of our stars? Yay! This is so fuckin stupid. Keep changing role players, because we got best backcourt in the league. Lets forget they dont play defense and let's forget they can't even play together, It's no problem for us - cos they look so good and they are best friends.

I love them both, but can we finish this drama and move forward please? Trade one to find the balance.
 
Charles Barkley called them out for being one of the best backcourts in the league that should be better than a #9 or #10 seed. He also indicated it would be tough to play with them because they shoot all the time, don't play defense and don't get other involved.

Can't find much to disagree with there. Very good offensively, horrible defensively and neither are play-makers that make teammates better.
 
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Scalma said:
I don't want to trade crabbe because shooters are the most valuable players in the league right now and we only have three of them.

Aminu and Harkless' skill sets are roughly the same. I want more shooters and/or more size.
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IMO the choice is between Crabbe and Turner. Both of them require the minutes needed as the team' primary SF otherwise and as can be seen, they are very ineffective when their rotation and minutes aren't set. Crabbe is the better shooter, scorer, but he's kind of replicative of Dame and CJ's skillset. He's also more valuable as a trade asset to a team looking for a young scorer. Teams like Philly or Orlando could really use a guy like Crabbe while giving up one of their bigs (Vucevic or Okafor).

Turner is a better playmaker and I think is more complementary to a Dame/CJ backcourt. He can also post up a bit which I think helps when the shots aren't falling as much. He can pass as a point forward, which will help with ball distribution. Crabbe is a dead end on offense as he can either shoot or just pass without setting up the offense.


From there, the choice is between Mo Harkless and Aminu. I think Aminu is more versatile as long as he doesn't shoot 3s all day plus I think he'd be ok with being more of a roleplayer.
 
Strenuus said:
But none of them have enough value to get our actual needs met.
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They may if we package them with assets. We just need serviceable PFs and C's. We can get those, better than just dumping for Draft Picks like 2-3 years from now, just need to tinker with the team a bit. No major overhauls needed, just balance out the roster so we some rim protection and someone who can score near the basket. Some rebounding and some perimeter defense.

There are minor tweaks we can do to markedly improve our roster. The roster is a work in processes, anyone could see that pre-season when we had 4 SFs vying for 2 spots.
 
I still think we can get Phoenix to take Meyers for Tyson Chandler. Or something like that, get an older player that can help and Meyers to a young team that may be able to use him.

It'll just be like when we got Marcus Camby a few years back.
 
KeepOnRollin said:
The problem is unless you are signing close to minimum salary players to replace them next year then you aren't really saving money by trading Aminu and Davis. They have very manageable contracts. I would move one (preferably Aminu) with a bigger contact as an incentive for a team to do the deal but not both.
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If we want to improve out cap situation, Crabbe has to go. Trading Aminu,... is just shuffling the deck.
 
I don't see us in a market for an older center like Chandler. Olshey said they wanted to get younger at the position (which could also be code for cheaper.)

I think our best chance to dump Meyers is with Brooklyn. They're in asset collection mode. If we attached the Memphis or Cleveland pick to Meyers maybe we even get a decent talent back (McCullough for example)
 
We need vets though. Our team now is basically the result of going younger without veteran leadership. we are a chicken with its head cut off. A guy like Chandler could really be a glue type of player off and on the court
 
riverman said:
I think Olshey will trade Ezeli's contract, a bench player and draft picks for a Greg Monroe type PF
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No he won't. That'd be awful.
EL PRESIDENTE said:
I still think we can get Phoenix to take Meyers for Tyson Chandler. Or something like that, get an older player that can help and Meyers to a young team that may be able to use him.

It'll just be like when we got Marcus Camby a few years back.
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That'd be awful too. Were not in win now mode. He's making $13M a year and he's bad and getting worse.
 
BonesJones said:
No he won't. That'd be awful.

That'd be awful too. Were not in win now mode. He's making $13M a year and he's bad and getting worse.
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I disagree. With Lillard and McCollum being at the age they are at, we need to aggressively pursue guys that can help us win now or be competitive, especially at our team salary. We need to show up. We need big guys, vets, toughness and a defensive presence and we all can't rely on under utilized young players with potential or infinitely stash draft picks. We'll just end up with the same type of players we have right now that we're trying to trade away.
 
EL PRESIDENTE said:
I disagree. With Lillard and McCollum being at the age they are at, we need to aggressively pursue guys that can help us win now or be competitive, especially at our team salary. We need to show up. We need big guys, vets, toughness and a defensive presence and we all can't rely on under utilized young players with potential or infinitely stash draft picks. We'll just end up with the same type of players we have right now that we're trying to trade away.
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25 and 26? They'll be just as good 4 years from now.

We're not going to win a series in the next two years aside from a miracle (such as trading Crabbe and Butler). "Win-now" moves won't be good enough to help us win now.
 
EL PRESIDENTE said:
He's 7 feet tall.

And you can't teach that.
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Are you saying I can't teach someone to stand at the 3 point line and launch slow shots? Or constantly be out of position on defense?

I can easily teach how to be Fabio tall
 
Boob-No-More said:
No you can't. There are only ~1000 7-footers in the US and there are ~35,000 cities and towns. Not sure how many neighborhoods there are.

Worldwide, there are about 2800 7-footers on the planet, and nearly 3,000,000 cities and towns.

Being 7-feet tall is a pretty exclusive club.

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How many can hit 30% or better from 3pt in the NBA?

I think Leonard's development has been stunted due to playing out of position at PF and sporadic playing time. But being in the NBA for as long as he has, he's had to learn a lot about how to play in this league.

I expect the light bulb will go on at some point, hopefully from playing C.
 
RR7 said:
If they're able to trade the guys they signed for picks, how exactly were they bad moves?
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Ask me that question AFTER we trade any of these guys for picks. That is not going to happen.
 
Denny Crane said:
How many can hit 30% or better from 3pt in the NBA?

I think Leonard's development has been stunted due to playing out of position at PF and sporadic playing time. But being in the NBA for as long as he has, he's had to learn a lot about how to play in this league.

I expect the light bulb will go on at some point, hopefully from playing C.
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I'm beginning to think you actually are Neil Olshey.
 
BOS and WAS should now go all in with CLE looking more vulnerable and TOR improving with the Ibaka trade.

BOS needs any decent big and WAS just needs bench players. We should be shopping Meyers/AC HARD. If we can dump these contracts for even 2nd round picks, we need to go all in. Hit the reset button, gets some flexibility back, and build up those assets for this summer.
 
yuyuza1 said:
BOS and WAS should now go all in with CLE looking more vulnerable and TOR improving with the Ibaka trade.

BOS needs any decent big and WAS just needs bench players. We should be shopping Meyers/AC HARD. If we can dump these contracts for even 2nd round picks, we need to go all in. Hit the reset button, gets some flexibility back, and build up those assets for this summer.
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Crabbe for Bayless and future 2nds or a future 1st. The sixers have so many future picks and a clear need for a shooting guard. Bayless is out the rest of this year and is only owed 9 million per year the next two years.

Helps us with tank mode and cuts salary. Bayless is serviceable off the bench and can handle the ball.
 
yuyuza1 said:
BOS and WAS should now go all in with CLE looking more vulnerable and TOR improving with the Ibaka trade.

BOS needs any decent big and WAS just needs bench players. We should be shopping Meyers/AC HARD. If we can dump these contracts for even 2nd round picks, we need to go all in. Hit the reset button, gets some flexibility back, and build up those assets for this summer.
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Agreed. The injury to Love and with Toronto getting Ibaka, Boston for sure needs to keep up with the the other teams in the West. Even better, they certainly have the assets to do so.

2017: 1st round pick swap with Brookly (currently the #1 pick)
2017: 2nd round pick from Cleveland (currently #58)
2017: 2nd round pick from LA Clippers (currently #55)
2017: 2nd round pick from Minnesota (currently #35)
2018: 1st round pick from Brookly
2018: 1st round pick - Boston's own
2019: 1st round pick from LA Clippers (protected)
2019: 1st round pick from Memphis (Top-8 protected)
2019: 1st round pick - Boston's own
2019: 2nd round pick from Detroit
2020: 2nd round pick from Miami

I think they are in position to make a move. They are also $1.1M under the salary cap so can make a bit of an unbalanced trade.
 
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