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DynastYWarrioR6

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This thread will be used to keep tabs on how the playoffs is progressing and for any discussion about the playoffs in general. The playoff matchups were randomly generated and each matchup will be given five days for voting, due to the relocation of the All-Era draft information and whatnot. Well the matchups are as follows:

First Round

12. The Dream (5)
2. J_Ray (12)

9. Umair (11)
7. Huevonkiller (20)

10. Agoo101284 (10)
6. Ghoti (7)

5. Celtic_Fan (12)
11. Denny Crane (3)

13. FiElDy (13)
14. Flow (1)

3. Big Frame (6)
1. DynastYWarrioR6 (9)

4. Claud (2)
8. JFizzleRaider (9)

Second Round

2. J_Ray (5)
10. Agoo101284 (7)

5. Celtic_Fan (8)
13. FiElDy (2)

1. DynastYWarrioR6 (7)
8. JFizzleRaider (1)

7. Huevonkiller (BYE)

Third Round

10. Agoo101284 (9)
7. Huevonkiller (19)

5. Celtic_Fan (5)
1. DynastYWarrioR6 (6)

Championship

7. Huevonkiller
1. DynastYWarrioR6

I also realize that we have an odd number of matchups. The winner of their respective matchup with THE MOST votes of all the league will be given a bye round in the 2nd round, I just see it that they have earned it. That way in the third round, it will be even again. Also, ANYONE can come in here and vote, but I do require that the participants themselves vote.
 
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These matchups suck. I think 4 of the best 5 teams are playing each other in the first round.
 
DynastYWarrioR6 said:
I randomly generated it :(
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"How about I randomly generate my foot - in your ass."
 
Voting has gotten slow, and certain matchups aren't even changing...so I was wondering if you guys wanted me to get ready for next round already. It'll be a day early, but I also know I'll be gone for this weekend, so let me know.
 
Now to determine who Huevon will play after the second round, he will play the winner of the matchup that his ORIGINAL position in the draft is closest to (bad description). Therefore, he will play the winner of Agoo101284 and J_Ray.
 
I don't think Huevon should have received the bye. He won 20-11, but Fieldy won 13-1. Huevon is getting the advantage because somehow, 31 people voted in his matchup, as opposed to 14-20 for everyone else. I should have mentioned this sooner, after reading over the first post, but I don't think that vote count was the right way to go. Margin or percentage of votes would have been better.
 
agoo101284 said:
I don't think Huevon should have received the bye. He won 20-11, but Fieldy won 13-1. Huevon is getting the advantage because somehow, 31 people voted in his matchup, as opposed to 14-20 for everyone else. I should have mentioned this sooner, after reading over the first post, but I don't think that vote count was the right way to go. Margin or percentage of votes would have been better.
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It actually never crossed my mind :(
The negative aspect about doing these things late at night...I'm sorry, but we learn for next time!
 
agoo101284 said:
You're sensing a bit of fishiness as well, eh? I assume its too late to see who has voted for who, right?
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Eh...dunno about that, haven't actually tried messing with the polls before. But I never liked the idea of knowing who voted for who cause I didn't want some people getting personal you know? (Not citing you)
 
DynastYWarrioR6 said:
Eh...dunno about that, haven't actually tried messing with the polls before. But I never liked the idea of knowing who voted for who cause I didn't want some people getting personal you know? (Not citing you)
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I agree with you completely, there is no need for any of this to get personal.

I'd say it also has a lot to do with me having a better team.
 
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I'll say it then, it's bullshit.

I don't care if anyone takes it personal. Why in the hell is there 26 votes for one poll and only 5 for the other? either it's some dumbass 15 yr olds voting for what they know, or Heuvon is using PM's to make ppl aware of his pole. What other explanation is there to vote for one and not the other?
and yesterday when I checked the poles, it was like 5-0 for agoo.

that is pure and simple bullshit for it to shift that much

Heuvon's polls have by far the most votes in the first round, that's not pure luck...
 
I'll say it then, I don't want to be around any sore losers. Everyone has free will around here, I don't want to hear bullshit about this.

Why does Agoo have more votes combined than the other poll? Not my problem, I don't know or care how this works.

I had the most posts in the drafting thread where I was constantly being attacked then defending, and got the most attention obviously. I have modern players and agoo should have retorted in our little matchup. Not everyone cares about mystique and points per game like you.
 
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yes because a few 'modern' stats that one guy on ESPN and a few stats nerds love to use to justify the worth of modern players is SOOO valued and used.

give me a fucking break. How about watching a few games?? stats are a nice tool to support your arguement, but actually watching the games and seeing players play??? irreplaceable.

you still never really gave a plausible reason for having 5 times as many votes in one match up over the other.. why the fuck not vote in both poles???

thinking that's not suspicious is naive.
 
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oh and ask DW, I told him at the beginning of this all-era draft 'someone with a bunch of modern era players will win this because ppl don't know the history of the game and forums are generally full of younger ppl' Younger ppl tend to believe everything in their era is the best (I was like that too) so I guess I really shouldn't be surprised. I enjoyed the draft process.
 
Celtic Fan said:
yes because a few 'modern' stats that one guy on ESPN and a few stats nerds love to use to justify the worth of modern players is SOOO valued and used.

give me a fucking break. How about watching a few games?? stats are a nice tool to support your arguement, but actually watching the games and seeing players play??? irreplaceable.

you still never really gave a plausible reason for having 5 times as many votes in one match up over the other.. why the fuck not vote in both poles???

think that's not suspicious is naive.
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I'd say intelligent use of empirical support is irreplaceable. You yourself used it when comparing John Stockton's production against Gary Payton. I talk about everything when comparing players, you just like to ignore pace; and I already addressed your other concerns I guess you didn't take the time to read my previous post to its full extent.
 
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Celtic Fan said:
oh and ask DW, I told him at the beginning of this all-era draft 'someone with a bunch of modern era players will win this because ppl don't know the history of the game and forums are generally full of younger ppl' Younger ppl tend to believe everything in their era is the best (I was like that too) so I guess I really shouldn't be surprised. I enjoyed the draft process.
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That's one possibility, another is that people look at flawed Volume stats, then base their opinions off that, vague intangibles, etc. , when drafting and that might hurt them in a thread where they have to defend their selections.
 
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huevonkiller said:
That's one possibility, another is that people look at flawed Volume stats, then base their opinions off that, vague intangibles, etc. , when drafting and that might hurt them in a thread where they have to defend their selections.
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it's all about context. The players chosen from the 50's, 60's and 70's were great in their era at their pace, regardless if it was different from today. Is Chris Paul on of the 5 best PG's of his era? No his era is 3 years old. Steve Nash, Jason Kidd, Chauncey Billups, Allen Iverson are the top PG's of this decade.
Gary Payton is on of the 3 best PG's from the 90's and has accomplished much more than Paul.

Is Wilt the best or 2nd best player ever? Yes, depending on preference. According to you the best player ever would have the best PER.. that shows how efficient a player was, but it doesn't show other characteristics, like the ability to lead and motivate a team (ask Paul Pierce how important is was to have someone like KG on the team being an emotional leader) or to make clutch plays in a tight game, or to be able to get a basket when the other team is on a run. You have to watch the games to see how a player gets his stats.

You always disregard the intangibles but this is not a bunch of robots playing the game, there are guys like KG who you don't want having the ball with the game on the line, yet his stats are much more impressive than say Reggie Miller, but Reggie has ice in his veins and wanted to be the guy taking the shot with the game on the line and more often than not he delivered.

And this TS stat.. reggie's TS is .614, but his career FG% is 47% and his 3pt is 39.5% good not great numbers. But because his freaking FT% is 88.8% it inflates his TS percentage to make it a very high number which is misleading. Thus the limited value of such a stat.

I don't see it being a huge issue having to defend the choice of older players vs a modern stat that is skewed with a bias to favor the modern player.
 
I'm gonna be honest, all of this or at least most of us, did this draft to make a team with the players in the history of the NBA. I mean it was kinda to just see how much people knew and we could talk about dream teams and stuff, just for fun really. My problems with the voting for now, is I don't like how people come in to vote in one poll and not the other. And I'm not picking a side, but it DOES look suspicious if you took an unbiased look at this.

Now on the actual draft and the teams. It does kinda suck for some of us who did this draft (Like me) so that I could draft players I couldn't in something like the GM Draft. People like Jordan and Pippen and whatnot. We can argue so many things: pace, defense, era, everything. But what it comes down to is breaking down skillsets and matching the talent, I don't see the difficulty of that. You can argue that modern players will play like monsters in a fast paced league like the old days, but that doesn't factor the defense you are still going to have to face, and the distribution of the ball. That's just some aspects that can be covered.

The point is for everyone to come together and provide EACH of those POVs.
 
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