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Predator said:
I actually really like Scoot.

Just not with Dame or Simons.

And he’s in the same tier as taller players for me, so he is by default the bottom of that tier for me.

And you know what I’m saying is true. Amen is widely accepted to have the highest ceiling outside of Wemby because of his athletic profile. You act like I’m pulling that out of thin air.
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I want Simons gone and if we draft Scoot, I think Simons is gone anyway.

I don't think Dame and Scoot would spend much time together, but they could for short bursts play together. But I have heard multiple analysts say that Scoot would be the #1 pick in past drafts. They said that Scoot would have gone #1 over Banchero last year. Most people have Amen at #3 at most.
 
Natebishop3 said:
I could see this trade. Take Ausar at 6. But this would be a total rebuild move.

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I could see sending those assets to another team for a ready now player.

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I think any Simons trade for Orlando centers around #11 and/or WCJ (there would , of course, be other assets involved)... I just don't see a Simons swap with Orlando that involves #6 unless we are including #3 or future compensation.

Of course, if you were able to finagle #6 without using #3 you could actually draft both Thompson twins... Ha!
 
Natebishop3 said:
I want Simons gone and if we draft Scoot, I think Simons is gone anyway.

I don't think Dame and Scoot would spend much time together, but they could for short bursts play together. But I have heard multiple analysts say that Scoot would be the #1 pick in past drafts. They said that Scoot would have gone #1 over Banchero last year. Most people have Amen at #3 at most.
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I call BS on people saying he'd go over Banchero last year. He wouldn't even go ahead of Chet.

Here's an article that refers to what I'm talking about.

"Amen Thompson has a higher ceiling than any prospect in this class not named Wembanyama."
 
Graduate32 said:
I think any Simons trade for Orlando centers around #11 and/or WCJ (there would , of course, be other assets involved)... I just don't see a Simons swap with Orlando that involves #6 unless we are including #3 or future compensation.

Of course, if you were able to finagle #6 without using #3 you could actually draft both Thompson twins... Ha!
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That's fine. I think 11 could still get us Siakam if we added all the filler.
 
Natebishop3 said:
Almost every single analyst says Scoot is better than Amen. Many have said that he would be the #1 pick in a lot of drafts. I don't want to start Scoot next to Dame, but I feel a lot better giving Scoot significant minutes next season than Amen. You want to put a guy who has been playing against high school kids and has a shot like Aminu next to Dame?
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A lot of the 'talking heads' have Scoot as better than Amen.
The guys who really get deep into the draft have it more even talent.
 
Graduate32 said:
I think any Simons trade for Orlando centers around #11 and/or WCJ (there would , of course, be other assets involved)... I just don't see a Simons swap with Orlando that involves #6 unless we are including #3 or future compensation.

Of course, if you were able to finagle #6 without using #3 you could actually draft both Thompson twins... Ha!
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That's more along the lines of reality IMO.

Maybe we can pull a fast one on the Magic GM though, because that would be a homerun deal WCJ + 6
 
CJ_is_Gone said:
A lot of the 'talking heads' have Scoot as better than Amen.
The guys who really get deep into the draft have it more even talent.
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I can't help but wonder if maybe the talking heads are going off the eyeball test and the others are basing it on analytics.
 
TBpup said:
What would people want for Ant besides #6? And who do you take back from ORL for cap purposes?
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to start with, I'm very skeptical that Orlando would pay the 6th pick for Ant. 11th maybe/probably, but the 6th seems steep. Whether Orlando would pay the 6th or not, I'd say it's safe to assume that Wagner & Carter would be off the table. Looking at the balance of the roster there's nobody that's appealing at all to Portland, or at least my opinion of what Portland would want

Maybe Fultz or preferably Harris...and Bol Bol

I guess the pipe-dream is Simons for #6 + Harris + Bol Bol

the reality would probably be closer to Simon for #11 + Harris + Bol. And that reality really screams out for a 3rd team to be involved
 
Natebishop3 said:
They have to match salary. WCJ isn't enough value for Simons.
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Orlando would have the space to absorb Ant in July; certainly have enough space to make a legal unbalanced trade

and from everything I've read, I think Orlando values Carter Jr. as much or more than they would Simons

my take is anybody expecting Orlando to pay #6 for Simons is homering with a massive Portland bias. They might pay #11; maybe it's probable, but 6 and WCJ? no way
 
wizenheimer said:
my take is anybody expecting Orlando to pay #6 for Simons is homering with a massive Portland bias. They might pay #11; maybe it's probable, but 6 and WCJ? no way
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I agree, but there was a (crazy) video from an Orlando analyst suggesting the Magic should offer both 6/11 for Ant.
 
PtldPlatypus said:
I agree, but there was a (crazy) video from an Orlando analyst suggesting the Magic should offer both 6/11 for Ant.
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yeah, I know...I posted that video on the RealGM trades forum just to fish for reactions from Orlando fans...and the fish sure took the bait
 
Natebishop3 said:
Almost every single analyst says Scoot is better than Amen. Many have said that he would be the #1 pick in a lot of drafts. I don't want to start Scoot next to Dame, but I feel a lot better giving Scoot significant minutes next season than Amen. You want to put a guy who has been playing against high school kids and has a shot like Aminu next to Dame?
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Every analyst or scout has their "big board" ideas. That doesn't mean the best players get drafted at the top. If they did, Dame would've never gone #6. Neither would Steph Curry have gone #7 and hopefully, the same goes with Sharpe when we talk about him years from now.

All-around superstar shooting guards in the mold of Wade, Kobe, Harden, Roy, Drexler, MJ, Carter.....unless it's considered a "bad year" like with Anthony Edwards, they never ever go #1 or even #2 despite probably being #1 or 2 in a re-draft. Why is this? There is anathema and bias from top analysts and scouts against this particular archetype. They either don't want to risk it or they just don't see the talent. But you have to wonder why despite it being such a highly successful archetype for, at least, four decades now?

Otherwise, unless they're a super prospect, it's somewhat uncommon to see such a thing occur where the top picks are the best players. Wemby will likely become a Top 10 ever player but just because Scoot was viewed as consensus #2 behind Wemby does not mean he'll end up that way in a re-draft (not saying he won't, either).

The way I see it, we need to ask ourselves, "Hey, is this particular archetype going to work? Has it worked in the past? Why? What are their weaknesses? In what context are those weaknesses applied? etc"

In Scoot's case, unless he excels at driving to the rim unlike anyone in NBA history (surpassing Iverson and Rose), I don't see a basis for him to work alongside a superstar shooting guard to the point where they win a championship together. But I can see him being a top scorer that wins scoring titles and sells shoes like Westbrook. In which case, if Scoot has help, you'll see him get to the top. But I'm not sure just driving it at the rim can help you win championships. Unless Portland secures Brandon Miller or a Brandon Miller type alongside Scoot and Sharpe to help open up the floor with shooting, I think the path with Scoot is going to be severely limited.

That's why I think Miller or Amen make more sense. The versatile wing fits today's league more than the short point guard that can attack the rim.
 
MrDraftGuy said:
Every analyst or scout has their "big board" ideas. That doesn't mean the best players get drafted at the top. If they did, Dame would've never gone #6. Neither would Steph Curry have gone #7 and hopefully, the same goes with Sharpe when we talk about him years from now.

All-around superstar shooting guards in the mold of Wade, Kobe, Harden, Roy, Drexler, MJ, Carter.....unless it's considered a "bad year" like with Anthony Edwards, they never ever go #1 or even #2 despite probably being #1 or 2 in a re-draft. Why is this? There is anathema and bias from top analysts and scouts against this particular archetype. They either don't want to risk it or they just don't see the talent. But you have to wonder why despite it being such a highly successful archetype for, at least, four decades now?

Otherwise, unless they're a super prospect, it's somewhat uncommon to see such a thing occur where the top picks are the best players. Wemby will likely become a Top 10 ever player but just because Scoot was viewed as consensus #2 behind Wemby does not mean he'll end up that way in a re-draft (not saying he won't, either).

The way I see it, we need to ask ourselves, "Hey, is this particular archetype going to work? Has it worked in the past? Why? What are their weaknesses? In what context are those weaknesses applied? etc"

In Scoot's case, unless he excels at driving to the rim unlike anyone in NBA history (surpassing Iverson and Rose), I don't see a basis for him to work alongside a superstar shooting guard to the point where they win a championship together. But I can see him being a top scorer that wins scoring titles and sells shoes like Westbrook. In which case, if Scoot has help, you'll see him get to the top. But I'm not sure just driving it at the rim can help you win championships. Unless Portland secures Brandon Miller or a Brandon Miller type alongside Scoot and Sharpe to help open up the floor with shooting, I think the path with Scoot is going to be severely limited.

That's why I think Miller or Amen make more sense. The versatile wing fits today's league more than the short point guard that can attack the rim.
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I gave you a +1, but that's because you said 'anathema' and 'archetype' in a sports forum. This chaotic low-brow clown show is always in need of a little high-brow literacy.
 
Mediocre Man said:
Not remotely the right call. If they like him more than Miller, trade with Houston and pick up additional assets
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I mean Houston has to be willing to trade as well. They could very well be happy to get Miller or Amen and standing pat.
 
TBpup said:
Nothing other than ORL likes Ant. There has been discussion between the 2 teams, but no details as to what that was. Word of this is coming from people more on Orlando's side. Portland is locked up tight right now.
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I think if we're rerouting Gary Harris in a trade that includes pick 3 then Ant and pick 23 for WCJ, pick 11 and Gary Harris is pretty realistic. I don't think Harris changes the dynamic much though so if we don't need him for another trade I could also see us just sending Ant and 23 for WCJ and 11.

With Gary Harris we would have the ability to make a three team deal with NOLA for Zion with 3, Nurk and Harris or with Toronto for Siakam and 13 and the same package as the Zion deal.
 
wizenheimer said:
I gave you a +1, but that's because you said 'anathema' and 'archetype' in a sports forum. This chaotic low-brow clown show is always in need of a little high-brow literacy.
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Not gonna lie. I went and looked those words up. I feel smarter already. Thanks Draft Guy
 
TBpup said:
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Priceless video. Isaac has never been healthy for more than a cup of coffee at a diner.
 
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