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Natebishop3 said:
These guys talk a bit about what went down the night that Miller delivered the gun. Not sure if this is new stuff.

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How the hell have these guys been commenting on the situation and didn't know his car was hit by bullets?

What terrible "journalism" :biglaugh:
 
Natebishop3 said:
Yeah, and there was a teammate in the car, I think is what they said.
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So in summary.

1) He brought a gun to the confrontation.
2) Fled while getting shot at.
3) Didn't voluntarily report the incident to the police.
4) Cooperated with investigation afterwards.
5) Played in a game two days laterand had 30 pts.
 
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seems like it's getting to be the consensus that Charlotte will take Scoot, leaving the Blazers the tough decision of Miller vs Amen

I know there is the option of trading the pick but I think the added coasts of any trade will be well above Portland's pain threshold

so it may be a honk-once/honk-twice situation again
 
illmatic99 said:
So in summary.

1) He brought a gun to the confrontation.
2) Fled while getting shot at.
3) Didn't voluntarily report the incident to the police.
4) Cooperated with investigation afterwards.
5) Played in a game the next day and had 41pts.
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#5 is impressive.
 
wizenheimer said:
seems like it's getting to be the consensus that Charlotte will take Scoot, leaving the Blazers the tough decision of Miller vs Amen

I know there is the option of trading the pick but I think the added coasts of any trade will be well above Portland's pain threshold

so it may be a honk-once/honk-twice situation again
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Yeah.... really not feeling great right now about the the options at 3.
 
illmatic99 said:
He had a negative A:TO ratio in college.

Defense is solid but he doesn't appear fast enough to lockdown guards or athletic/strong enough to protectthe rim.
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He did have a poor A:TO ratio but he shows flashes of advanced playmaking and passing ability and he can clearly identify open guys. The hope is that with better spacing, slightly better decision-making (he tried to force some passes into really tight spaces), and an improved handle that will make him a legitimate PnR ball handler.
 
Pinwheel1 said:
#5 is impressive.
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I had it wrong. It was 30 against Vanderbilt. Which is all fine.

Do you have a good source to read up more on the incident and the case? Everything I'm finding is like piecemeal
 
Natebishop3 said:
Yeah.... really not feeling great right now about the the options at 3.
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I know you have a few reservations about Scoot & Amen; having some about Miller too?

at this point, from my uninformed position, I'd think the best for Portland would be Charlotte taking Miller
 
illmatic99 said:
So in summary.

1) He brought a gun to the confrontation.
2) Fled while getting shot at.
3) Didn't voluntarily report the incident to the police.
4) Cooperated with investigation afterwards.
5) Played in a game two days later and had 30 pts.
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My understanding is that he brought a car to the confrontation, and it's not obvious he knew there was a gun in it.
 
illmatic99 said:
I had it wrong. It was 30 against Vanderbilt. Which is all fine.

Do you have a good source to read up more on the incident and the case? Everything I'm finding is like piecemeal
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No, I just Googled the incident and have been reading everything I could find.

Clearly, his teammate Miles and the shooter Davis instigated everything by trying to hit on the woman. My GUESS is her boyfriend at some point probably got frustrated and flashed his gun so they would leave them alone. (They were waiting on their food so they didn't leave)

That is probably what prompted Miles to text Miller to bring his gun which was in Millers' car. Davis and Miles need to be locked up for sure, but I doubt very much that Miller knew the extent of what was going on when he went to pick them up.
 
wizenheimer said:
seems like it's getting to be the consensus that Charlotte will take Scoot, leaving the Blazers the tough decision of Miller vs Amen

I know there is the option of trading the pick but I think the added coasts of any trade will be well above Portland's pain threshold

so it may be a honk-once/honk-twice situation again
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I really don't think it's a tough decision

I'm higher than *most* on Amen and you take Miller all day and twice on Sunday.

The real decision starts after that, I think there is a real chance Whitmore is rated higher than Amen
 
The caveat obviously is if you do your due diligence and are REALLY uncomfortable with taking Miller; then obviously you trade down for Amen/Whitmore/maybe even Ausar and add another asset.
 
Predator said:
The caveat obviously is if you do your due diligence and are REALLY uncomfortable with taking Miller; then obviously you trade down for Amen/Whitmore/maybe even Ausar and add another asset.
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I can't see getting anything of value by trading down a spot. Not when Scoot is already off the board.
 
Wizard Mentor said:
My understanding is that he brought a car to the confrontation, and it's not obvious he knew there was a gun in it.
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I haven't found any definitive clarity on this. This is certainly the defense from his side. But on the way to pick up Miles, Miles texted Miller to bring the gun.

So in fact before Miller arrived at the location, he knew Miles wanted the gun that was in Miller's car.
 
illmatic99 said:
I haven't found any definitive clarity on this. This is certainly the defense from his side. But on the way to pick up Miles, Miles texted Miller to bring the gun.

So in fact before Miller arrived at the location, he knew Miles wanted the gun that was in Miller's car.
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I have asked this before....but in that scenario what would any of us have done? Not knowing the situation of what your teammate was in....would you have turned the car around and left him stranded? Right or wrong, the 20-year-old me would have shown up.
 
Pinwheel1 said:
I have asked this before....but in that situation what would any of us have done? Not knowing the situation of what your teammate was in....would you have turned the car around and left him stranded? Right or wrong, the 20-year-old me would have shown up.
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This is what the mother of the victim said:

“When somebody says bring a gun to them, what do you think they’re going to do with it?’’ Cotton said. “And if there was no gun, she would not be dead.’’

So when you say what should he have done when asked to bring a gun to a club by a guy who had clearly been drinking.... How about nothing? How about call the police? How about advising this guy to deescalate and get out?

Don't go and knowingly take a gun to a guy who had concealed it in your car.
 
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Blazers should take whoever is there between Scoot and Miller.

We should hope Miller doesn't have a bad workout when he arrives in Portland. Anyone know when that'll be?
 
illmatic99 said:
This is what the mother of the victim said:

“When somebody says bring a gun to them, what do you think they’re going to do with it?’’ Cotton said. “And if there was no gun, she would not be dead.’’

So when you say what should he have done when asked to bring a gun to a club by a guy who had clearly been drinking.... How about nothing? Dont go and knowingly take a gun to a guy who had concealed it in your car.
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That goes for the boyfriend as well. He doesn't pull out his gun, then it doesn't escalate. No guns are the best scenario.

But Miller at that point had no idea what was going on. His teammate might have been in trouble. How was he supposed to know?
 
illmatic99 said:
This is what the mother of the victim said:

“When somebody says bring a gun to them, what do you think they’re going to do with it?’’ Cotton said. “And if there was no gun, she would not be dead.’’

So when you say what should he have done when asked to bring a gun to a club by a guy who had clearly been drinking.... How about nothing? How about call the police? How about advising this guy to deescalate and get out?

Don't go and knowingly take a gun to a guy who had concealed it in your car.
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this is why I think, even if he isn't charged by the DA, there's a high probability Miller will be sued in civil court. He's about to have very deep pockets. That would be a PR headache for whoever drafts him, especially if he's held to have any significant degree of liability
 
wizenheimer said:
I know you have a few reservations about Scoot & Amen; having some about Miller too?

at this point, from my uninformed position, I'd think the best for Portland would be Charlotte taking Miller
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I actually have been getting more excited about Scoot, but I'm concerned he won't be there.

Amen scares me.

Miller would be my choice if Scoot is off the board, but the legal stuff just really puts a bad taste in my mouth.
 
Pinwheel1 said:
I can't see getting anything of value by trading down a spot. Not when Scoot is already off the board.
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All it takes is one team to be comfortable with the background they get on Brandon Miller and you'll be able to get something. And probably wouldn't just be one spot.

For all the "blah blah blah" going on, many people have said Miller is the second most talented player in this draft. Many people have also said that if it weren't for the "gun issue" he'd be the clear #2 pick. Many people have also noted that a 6'9 "do-it-all" forward is what every team wants and needs and they're extremely rare to find.

Also Scoot just worked out, so he's the flavor of the day. I'm sure if Brandon works out for us and we show a highlight package of him drilling a million threes and midrange jumpers and dunking he'll be the next flavor of the day.
 
Pinwheel1 said:
His teammate might have been in trouble. How was he supposed to know?
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My first instinct if a teammate is in trouble is certainly not to bring him a weapon. Especially if he knowingly concealed it in my car and went drinking after. But then again, I'm pretty anti gun and don't consider it as "protection."

After having actually been in a grocery store last yr while a shooting happened, my thoughts on this stuff are pretty set in stone.

As for Miller, I would rather he and his situation be someone else's headache and dont think his game will translate nearly as well as some think. So he is not worth the hassle even if he is exonerated from a criminal aspect. This whole thing certainly doesn't speak well of his judgement, and his lack of remorse (probably due to AL kissing his ass left and right) is not great either.
 
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wizenheimer said:
this is why I think, even if he isn't charged by the DA, there's a high probability Miller will be sued in civil court. He's about to have very deep pockets. That would be a PR headache for whoever drafts him, especially if he's held to have any significant degree of liability
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The whole thing just stinks...... and if I didn't already have some reservations about Miller, it might not bother me quite as much. But he has some warts with his game as well. None of it makes me feel warm and fuzzy.
 
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