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Scalma said:
he’s pretty much been the same guy his whole career, before Sabonis even got to Indiana.
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Actually, he's been improving each year. The Ringer had an article recently on him and had some good stats. Regarding his improving efficiency by year:

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As the author notes, as Indiana has become more Sabonis-centric, Turner has had to do more with less and he's risen to meet that challenge.

And regarding @illmatic99's question about how much of it is due to Sabonis, Turner is better when he plays without Sabonis, especially with his Assist Rate going up:

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The whole article is worth reading, IMO.
 
andalusian said:
Agree. ZCo was mostly a mobile defensive player and a sub-par offensive player who could be used as the hub of the offense. Sabonis is a sub-par defensive player who is good as a post player that can pass.

ZCo, btw, would have been a perfect big to play in Billup's current defensive scheme.
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And as I have been saying for a while now Turner is actually one of the best NBA comps for who we wanted Collins to be. Elite defender who can shoot threes.

The only similarity Zach has to Sabonis is the Gonzaga connection.
 
Minstrel said:
Actually, he's been improving each year. The Ringer had an article recently on him and had some good stats. Regarding his improving efficiency by year:

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As the author notes, as Indiana has become more Sabonis-centric, Turner has had to do more with less and he's risen to meet that challenge.

And regarding @illmatic99's question about how much of it is due to Sabonis, Turner is better when he plays without Sabonis, especially with his Assist Rate going up:

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The whole article is worth reading, IMO.
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good article. im convinced he needs to be our target. Send Nurk somewhere and bring in Turner. Then see if you can package CJ+ Roc+ picks for Simmons.
 
illmatic99 said:
good article. im convinced he needs to be our target. Send Nurk somewhere and bring in Turner. Then see if you can package CJ+ Roc+ picks for Simmons.
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That deal dies because if the 3rd team is trading for a center, why would they not want Turner instead of Nurkic?
 
B-Roy said:
That deal dies because if the 3rd team is trading for a center, why would they not want Turner instead of Nurkic?
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i think a case (however flimsy) can be made for nurk being better than turner in a vacuum. turner is just a better fit for us.
 
illmatic99 said:
i think a case (however flimsy) can be made for nurk being better than turner in a vacuum. turner is just a better fit for us.
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Uhh yeah....key there is flimsy. I've canvassed the league and any team trading for a center would rather have Turner than Nurkic. Turner is the modern center. Nurk is a dinosaur. Unless we are throwing in Nas or something.
 
Yeah, it's hard to talk about Nurkic in a vacuum--in previous eras, he'd be a tremendous center. He's obviously talented and very effective--he just lacks the versatility that modern schemes require. While Nurkic is valuable in an "old school center" role, very few teams are looking to build around that archetype. He just limits what you can do, offensively and defensively.
 
The team has been trying to figure out the Sabonis and Turner pairing for several years, hoping it could turn into the collective star power it needs. The initial solution was to move Turner to the wing and build around Sabonis operating in the middle. He started off as a high-post creator, but Carlisle has transitioned Sabonis to a pick-and-roll and floor spacer role to try to make a spread offense work. This year, they have a plus-9 net rating in the 437 minutes they’ve shared the floor entering Wednesday, a sign to Carlisle that the process is working.

“Well, you know, when I came in here, the big question that everybody was asking was can these two guys play together? Can two bigs play together in today’s game?” Carlisle said. “Well, look at their net rating on court together, they’re playing very, very well. They’re a positive in almost all areas. And so the answer is we want them to keep doing what they’re doing and we’ve got to do things to gain as many small one-, two-percent edges as we can.”
https://theathletic.com/3005965/202...rner-seeks-bigger-role-with-more-opportunity/

You couch GMs keep “canvassing the league” though. Lol absolute jokes.
 
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B-Roy said:
Uhh yeah....key there is flimsy. I've canvassed the league and any team trading for a center would rather have Turner than Nurkic. Turner is the modern center. Nurk is a dinosaur. Unless we are throwing in Nas or something.
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Nurk is a dinosaur?

Adams
Vucevic
Jonas
Poeltl
Embiid
Jokic
Gobert
Plumlee
Zubac
López

All starting centers in today’s NBA.
 
LayneStaley said:
8 of those are better than Nurk.
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Yeah your analysis is spot on, wish you were in charge.

LayneStaley said:
Sell off Dame, CJ, RoCo, Nurk for young assets and multiple 1s

Make the Lottery

Keep 28 year olds Norm and Nance as the new leaders of the younger team(I like their toughness and character)

Swing the Simmons deal (most likely a Dame package)

Start over with a lineup of…

Simons/Maxey
Norm
Little/Thybulle
Nance/GB3
Simmons

Add our 2 1s and at least 3 more 1s (over this and next season) for the guys traded.
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Always wanted to see what the worst offensive team of all time would look like.
 
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Scalma said:
Yeah your analysis is spot on, wish you were in charge.



Always wanted to see what the worst offensive team of all time would look like.
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Wish I was too cause that underachiever would be gone. We aren’t winning with Nurk, you never know which Nurk you’re getting and that’s not good enough. Too many seasons of this shit have passed, he is who he is, an inconsistent above average player when engaged who doesn’t maximize his potential. That doesn’t all of a sudden change.

The second post you quoted was an obvious rebuild post, that roster plus 5 1s would be bad for awhile but most rebuilding teams are.
 
As I've been saying.... I don't think the Pacers will ever tear down that team for a complete overhaul. I would still keep them in mind as a CJ landing spot.

https://fieldhousefiles.substack.com/p/herb-simon-opens-up

From the owner himself:

“We are not a franchise that is going to dump to get a better pick,” he said. “We’re going to try to win every game. Sometimes we’ll develop rookie players, which may cost us a game, but we’re never gonna to go into a game to lose while I’m an owner. I don’t believe in it. Some teams do, but I don’t believe in that.

"If you remember, going back to Donnie Walsh, we always built without tearing down. We built on the go. We can do the same thing. We can have a good team and get better rather than break it up to get better. As a fan, I don't want to do that. And I don't believe our fans deserve to see a team that's purposely losing. I don't ever want to be accused of that."
 
Tince said:
What is Detroit's theory here? Worse player on an expiring contract.
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They want an expiring contract, apparently.
(And I don't think Nurk is actually worse - he's just not as useful to as many teams.)
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But this one necessitates a follow-up Nurk trade, perhaps:

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