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blazerfan11 said:
I think you're confusing what you believe with what NBA teams are actually doing.


If you are talking a generic hypothetical player, I bet they'd take the bigger player every time if their skills are equal overall. This year's top picks will all be around 6'10" or taller. Next year's #1 pick will be 7'2".
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Durant basically said this. When describing what a good NBA player has, he brought up size for the position
 
blazerfan11 said:
I think you're confusing what you believe with what NBA teams are actually doing.


If you are talking a generic hypothetical player, I bet they'd take the bigger player every time if their skills are equal overall. This year's top picks will all be around 6'10" or taller. Next year's #1 pick will be 7'2".
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No, and once again, there is another article from the athletic - just yesterday - talking about how this is a wing and guard driven league.

I am not talking about a generic hypothetical player. I’m talking about a specific hypothetical player. A traditional, big center ala Jokic, Gobert, Embiid vs a 2 way wing ala Giannis, LeBron, Durant, Kawhi.

And yes, none of them are traditional centers. I don’t know why you’re bringing up height. Height has very little to do with position. Kevin Durant is 7’ and played small forward most of his career. Meanwhile PJ Tucker is 6’5 and plays PF. You’re also proving my point. What NBA teams are doing is avoiding players like Duren and Mark Williams in favor of perimeter oriented players. So I think you’re the one confusing what you believe with NBA teams are actually doing -> avoiding the big, traditional center in favor of multi dimensional guards and wings, which is exactly what Paolo, Chet and Davis are… along with next years projected #1 pick. None of these players are centers in the Dwight Howard mold (like Duren could be). If it would be easier for you, you could break it down to Guards, Frontcourt players and Centers in order to avoid the confusion of “wings” including SF/PF as traditional PFs are much more wings than they are post players nowadays.

Someone actually made an interesting comparison the other day. In todays nba, Oden probably wouldn’t get selected #1 over Durant. That’s essentially what I’m referring to in the statement (in bold) above.
 
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MickZagger said:
7 foot centers these days are growing up shooting 3’s instead of working on their footwork.

Shooting the long ball is all the rage these days with kids. Even the ones that should be dominating down low.
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Super frustrating playing ball these days when the biggest guy on the floor refuses to play in the paint, and instead keeps launching threes with better 3 point shooters standing there waiting for the pass.
 
BBert said:
Super frustrating playing ball these days when the biggest guy on the floor refuses to play in the paint, and instead keeps launching threes with better 3 point shooters standing there waiting for the pass.
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For me it's more frustrating to watch a chucker like D'Angelo Russell taking more three-point shots than Karl-Anthony towns who shoots 41% on three pointers, the best for the team.
My pet peeve is inefficient chucker guards throwing up more shots while the big man who is much more efficient gets fewer shots.
Watching Minnesota just makes me mad.
I'm not the only one because Russell is probably on his way out.
 
illmatic99 said:
Wiseman is a better prospect than Duren. far more skilled and better BBIQ.
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Wiseman might have been a better prospect then Duren coming out as he was bigger, but thats really about it. Based on a very small sample size James might be a better shooter. They were down Klay of course and Draymond was in and out during the short stint his rookie year constituted. The W's season expectations were low and Kerr pretty much gave him free reign. His BBIQ was widely criticized here in the Bay Area by fans and media but what do you expect from a guy who played a total of 3 games in college? Going into this season, Kerr spoke about limiting his role going forward to setting picks, rebounding & protecting the rim... sound familiar? No more shooting at the top of the key. I'm not sure what great other skills you're siting as he doesn't have some pet move to score with, isn't a great passer and doesn't seem to have much natural feel for the game. Hopefully his knee gets right and he enjoys a long career as I hate to see young guys go down early to injury.

STOMP
 
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https://theknickswall.com/knicks-2022-draft-profiles-jalen-duren-more-than-rim-running-big-man/

NY writer, but they specifically mention Portland as a good fit.
 
I think that if we draft Duren and Detroit is either not pursuing or unsuccessful in their pursuit of Ayton that we could see a sign and trade of Nurk and the Bucks 2025 FRP for Jeremi Grant.
 
blazerkor said:
I think that if we draft Duren and Detroit is either not pursuing or unsuccessful in their pursuit of Ayton that we could see a sign and trade of Nurk and the Bucks 2025 FRP for Jeremi Grant.
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I think you or someone else also mentioned a sign-and-trade with Toronto using Nurk. Or it could be any team that has a SF/PF that needs a good center.
 
blazerfan11 said:
I think you or someone else also mentioned a sign-and-trade with Toronto using Nurk. Or it could be any team that has a SF/PF that needs a good center.
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A Nurk S/T with Toronto for OG would be pretty awesome
 
PtldPlatypus said:
A Nurk S/T with Toronto for OG would be pretty awesome
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It would be way better than Grant, but I feel like it would need more than just the Bucks pick with it but if we could get OG, I would be a supporter of guaranteeing the our pick to Chicago so we could throw another first rounder to Toronto in that sing and trade that would send them Nurk and get us OG.
 
STOMP said:
as long as we're dreaming...
Nurk S/T for OG
Grant for Milw 2025 #1
Draft Duren

Dame, Hart, OG, Grant, Duren while holding onto Ant & Little...

Yes! 2022 offseason, for today and tomorrow, that will do!

STOMP
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Planning for today and the future seems to be what Golden State is doing. They've had several first-round picks they could have traded.
 
STOMP said:
as long as we're dreaming...
Nurk S/T for OG
Grant for Milw 2025 #1
Draft Duren

Dame, Hart, OG, Grant, Duren while holding onto Ant & Little...

Yes! 2022 offseason, for today and tomorrow, that will do!

STOMP
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..then ussing the TPE to sign Bamba and the MLE to sign Jalen Smith. :bgrin:
 
TBpup said:
..then ussing the TPE to sign Bamba and the MLE to sign Jalen Smith. :bgrin:
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The preceding post was already using the TPE on Grant, so you can't use it again on Bamba.
 
PtldPlatypus said:
The preceding post was already using the TPE on Grant, so you can't use it again on Bamba.
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Then cancel out Grant and do something else. I really want no part of him if it's going to take $28M to re-sign him.
 
TBpup said:
Then cancel out Grant and do something else. I really want no part of him if it's going to take $28M to re-sign him.
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I've made this joke before, but I'd like to receive 28M annually too but am open to settling for a bit less.

Like most players, I'm sure Grant and his agent want to get what he's valued in today's NBA. Next year will be the last on his current deal making 21M. When he starts his next year he'll be 29... what do you think would be a reasonable contract for him? If Portland were to trade for him this offseason, they'd have his Bird rights and could also potentially sign and trade him if they wanted to go another direction.

STOMP
 
A more mobile rim-running center is what Billups wants for his system.

Duren is exactly that
 
Blazinaway said:
doesn't matter as that is horrible value for OG, if you don't realize that not much else to talk about
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What do you believe (as an example) to be reasonable value to Toronto for OG, given the fact that he is essentially extraneous given Barnes' emergence?
 
PtldPlatypus said:
What do you believe (as an example) to be reasonable value to Toronto for OG, given the fact that he is essentially extraneous given Barnes' emergence?
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The 7 pick within TPE - is Nurk worth the 7?, not even remotely close on a sign and trade

and lets not forget Centers (like Nurk) are now the least valuable position in the NBA, while 2-way wings the most valuable
 
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Blazinaway said:
The 7 pick within TPE - is Nurk worth the 7?, not even remotely close on a sign and trade

and lets not forget Centers (like Nurk) are now the least valuable position in the NBA, while 2-way wings the most valuable
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You may not realize it, but you're coming off very combative here.

I completely agree with you that OG is worth more than Nurk; that's why I said a swap of the two would be awesome.

Toronto finished 5th in the east--and as mentioned, doesn't have a center--so I assume they'd value a win-now player a little more than a draft pick, but certainly the 7 has more value around the league than Nurk would.

So operating under the supposition that Toronto wants a true center, and that they might be interested in Nurk, what assets (not including the 7) that the Blazers have and could offer do you think would bridge the value-gap between Nurk and OG?
 
Blazinaway said:
doesn't matter as that is horrible value for OG, if you don't realize that not much else to talk about
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Blazinaway said:
The 7 pick within TPE - is Nurk worth the 7?, not even remotely close on a sign and trade

and lets not forget Centers (like Nurk) are now the least valuable position in the NBA, while 2-way wings the most valuable
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OG isn't worth the 7th.
He played 48 games last season and 43 games the season before.
 
wizenheimer said:
is OG extraneous or is it Siakam?
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I assume that since Siakam is still an all-NBA player, they're likely to want to hold onto him. But I certainly wouldn't be opposed to trading for Siakam if we could.
 
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