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Ed O said:
It is like me making a post like this:

"My brother loves Scoot. He thinks he's really going to be good."

Like... who cares? Haha
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True. It's like Dalton says, "opinions vary".
 
Once you scratch the surface of Dean on Draft it gets dicey quick. Stay safe out there on the internet, friends.
 
And that’s why you don’t dog it, ever, if you’re trying to make it to the NBA … as I was saying earlier
 
Predator said:
And that’s why you don’t dog it, ever, if you’re trying to make it to the NBA … as I was saying earlier
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Huh? He's the consensus #2 pick in the greatest league in the world. I heard the same nonsense about Shaedon Sharpe. Scoot has more value in a trade should they want it.
 
AmirIcon said:
Huh? He's the consensus #2 pick in the greatest league in the world. I heard the same nonsense about Shaedon Sharpe. Scoot has more value in a trade should they want it.
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Did you read this?

https://www.espn.com/nba/insider/in...l-five-charlotte-hornets-2023-nba-draft-picks

“Had Henderson made a better case for himself with the way he evolved this past season for G League Ignite in terms of his decision-making, perimeter shooting and defensive intensity, there would be a better argument to try to make the backcourt pairing of him and LaMelo Ball work in the long term. Many NBA executives say they were disappointed in what they saw from Henderson this season in repeated viewings, which will likely cause him to fall to No. 3 unless he blows the Hornets away in their private workout.”

As far as consensus #2: “Most NBA teams we've spoken with have Miller over Henderson on their draft board, and it wouldn't surprise anyone if that is the direction the Hornets go on draft night.” Now this is time for smoke and mirrors so who knows about that, but here’s an undeniable fact:

Brandon Miller was consistently showing up at “2” on mocks before the draft lottery even took place and as early as November and he is still #2 according to about half the mocks.

As far as who has more value in a trade: We have no idea. Givony says teams have Miller higher. I’ve said for a while now that teams covet 6’9 do it all forwards more than 6’2 scoring guards with defensive question marks because one is a lot harder to find than the other. In fact they’re so hard to find we are pretty much trying to auction off the 3rd pick AND a small scoring guard to acquire said forward.
 
Not saying Scoot is a bum, but for someone who is supposed to be the 2nd pick in the draft/future star, his #'s in the g-league were not exactly lighting things up.
 
Predator said:
Did you read this?

https://www.espn.com/nba/insider/in...l-five-charlotte-hornets-2023-nba-draft-picks

“Had Henderson made a better case for himself with the way he evolved this past season for G League Ignite in terms of his decision-making, perimeter shooting and defensive intensity, there would be a better argument to try to make the backcourt pairing of him and LaMelo Ball work in the long term. Many NBA executives say they were disappointed in what they saw from Henderson this season in repeated viewings, which will likely cause him to fall to No. 3 unless he blows the Hornets away in their private workout.”

As far as consensus #2: “Most NBA teams we've spoken with have Miller over Henderson on their draft board, and it wouldn't surprise anyone if that is the direction the Hornets go on draft night.” Now this is time for smoke and mirrors so who knows about that, but here’s an undeniable fact:

Brandon Miller was consistently showing up at “2” on mocks before the draft lottery even took place and as early as November and he is still #2 according to about half the mocks.

As far as who has more value in a trade: We have no idea. Givony says teams have Miller higher. I’ve said for a while now that teams covet 6’9 do it all forwards more than 6’2 scoring guards with defensive question marks because one is a lot harder to find than the other. In fact they’re so hard to find we are pretty much trying to auction off the 3rd pick AND a small scoring guard to acquire said forward.
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It's Michael Jordan's religion to take the wrong guy in the draft. Just like the Kings.

This is one source but the majority has had Scoot at 2.

Only time will tell and only one of these players have shown maturity issues in past and has a murder case hanging over there head.
 
julius said:
Not saying Scoot is a bum, but for someone who is supposed to be the 2nd pick in the draft/future star, his #'s in the g-league were not exactly lighting things up.
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He told Krysten Peek that he was bored with the G League and was excited to move up. Kinda wonder if he just stopped caring because the games didn't really matter. He knew he wasn't going to be the #1 pick. He had some really good runs, but he missed a lot of games. It's not like being in college where you're surrounded by all that school pride and team culture. The Ignite are just a developmental team. I could imagine being extremely bored.
 
Natebishop3 said:
I would be shocked if Charlotte passes on him. Either they take him and trade him, or they take him and keep him.
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I agree. However, I have a lot of friends and family who are Hornets fans and most of them are convinced that Miller is the way they are gonna go. I for one think Scoot would fit them best in what they are trying to do there. Most mock drafts I have seen is the Hornets taking Miller also. All conjecture from fans and media alike of course, but that is what I think too.

Just want the draft to get here and be over with in general for us and everyone else lol.
 
I'll just repost this. Their schedule is super weird. The first 9 games he was pretty damn good. Then he missed a bunch of time (injured?) and had a bad run of 7 or so games, then he had another really good 5 games. So he showed that he can be really good, but he also had a slump in there. Not sure if he was injured a lot this year. I don't really understand the Ignite at all.

Game 1 - 20 points off 9/16 shooting, 8 assists, 3 rebounds, 2 steals

Game 2 - 26 points off 10/13 shooting, 8 assists, 5 rebounds, 1 steal

Game 3 - DNP

Game 4 - 21 points off 8/18 shooting, 9 assists, 7 rebounds, 1 steal

Game 5 - 21 points off 6/16 shooting, 6 assists, 7 rebounds, 3 steals

Game 6 - 27 points off 9/16 shooting, 5 assists, 3 rebounds, 2 steals

So for the first five games he averaged 23 ppg off 53% shooting, 7.2 assists, 5 rebounds, and 1.8 steals.

Game 7 - 12 points off 5/15 shooting, 6 assists, 3 rebounds, and 3 steals.

Game 8 - 9 points off 4/13 shooting, 7 assists, 7 rebounds, and 1 steal

Game 9 - 22 points off 5/14 shooting, 7 assists, 1 rebound, and 0 steals.

Game 10 - DNP

Game 11 - DNP

Game 12 - DNP

Game 13 - played 7 minutes

Game 14 - DNP

Game 15 - DNP

Game 16 - DNP

Game 17 - 20 points off 9/16 shooting, 14 assists, 7 rebounds, and 1 steal

Game 18 - 10 points off 5/14 shooting, 6 assists, 4 rebounds, and 1 steal

Game 19 - 14 points off 6/11 shooting, 9 assists, 9 rebounds, and 1 steal

Game 20 - 14 points off 4-12 shooting, 6 assists, 7 rebounds, 1 steal

Game 21 - 15 points off 4/17 shooting, 4 assists, 4 rebounds, 0 steals

Game 22 - 14 points off 4/10 shooting, 4 assists, 7 rebounds, 0 steals

Game 23 - 17 points off 7/19 shooting, 5 assists, 7 rebounds, 1 steal'

Game 24 - 15 points off 6/16 shooting, 12 assists, 7 rebounds, 1 steal

Game 25 - DNP

Game 26 - DNP

Game 27 - DNP

Game 28 - DNP

Game 29 - DNP

Game 30 - DNP

Game 31 - 25 points off 7/16 shooting, 7 assists, 4 rebounds, 0 steals

Game 32 - 25 points off 10/27 shooting, 4 assists, 5 rebounds, 2 steals

Game 33 - DNP

Game 34 - 18 points off 8 /19 shooting, 16 assists, 6 rebounds, 1 steal

Game 35 - 26 points off 10/16 shooting, 3 assists, 3 rebounds, 3 steals

Game 36 - 27 points off 12/20 shooting, 5 assists, 5 rebounds, 4 steals

Game 37 - 9 minutes

Game 38 - DNP

Game 39 - DNP

Game 40 - DNP

Game 41 - DNP

Game 42 - DNP

Game 43 - DNP

Game 44 - DNP

Game 45 - DNP

He played the last two games
18 points off 7/12 shooting, 3 assists, 4 rebounds, 0 steals

12 points off 4/15 shooting, 6 assists, 7 rebounds, 1 steal
 
I hope the Hornets pick him at two just so we don't have the chance to. Nothing against Scoot, he's just a short guard. Pass
 
Scoot has elite court vision and speed to go along with explosiveness at the rim. I think folks detracting from him don't realize how much easier scoring can be if this team gets out on the break a bit more. The effect of Morant on the Grizz was immediate and Scoot could have similar impact here. Ant and Sharpe could thrive in that system.
 
craigehlo said:
Scoot has elite court vision and speed to go along with explosiveness at the rim. I think folks detracting from him don't realize how much easier scoring can be if this team gets out on the break a bit more. The effect of Morant on the Grizz was immediate and Scoot could have similar impact here. Ant and Sharpe could thrive in that system.
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Yep, a non-crazy Ja is a franchise difference-maker.
 
There is way too much smoke right now about Scoot. It makes no sense for Charlotte or Portland to be pumping this guy up, unless they're trying to drive up his trade value.
 
If Scoot is PTB 's guy, then they need to trade up to two with a pick or something. Can't screw around and roll the dice. If they dont care or have trades worked out for either Miller or Scoot, then roll the dice.
 
Scoot is the greatest thing since sliced bread. He might be able to heal people as well. If he drops to #3, the Blazers should be able to get an All NBA player, a supporting player, and multiple draft picks in return. Like an NFL QB draft trade. Has he been seen walking on water too?
 
tykendo said:
Scoot is the greatest thing since sliced bread. He might be able to heal people as well. If he drops to #3, the Blazers should be able to get an All NBA player, a supporting player, and multiple draft picks in return. Like an NFL QB draft trade. Has he been seen walking on water too?
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:smiley-nope:
 
tykendo said:
Scoot is the greatest thing since sliced bread. He might be able to heal people as well. If he drops to #3, the Blazers should be able to get an All NBA player, a supporting player, and multiple draft picks in return. Like an NFL QB draft trade. Has he been seen walking on water too?
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This really is unnecessary. Obviously, he can be a bust, but his body of work and athleticism/work ethic/mentality aligns very closely with other superstar guards.

Maybe it seems trivial to you, but trading the guy who *could* become the next Dame is a substantial decision to me. This a guy you could potentially anchor your franchise on for the next decade.
 
craigehlo said:
Scoot has elite court vision and speed to go along with explosiveness at the rim. I think folks detracting from him don't realize how much easier scoring can be if this team gets out on the break a bit more. The effect of Morant on the Grizz was immediate and Scoot could have similar impact here. Ant and Sharpe could thrive in that system.
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faster pace might work in the regular season, sometimes, but generally doesn't carry over to the playoffs. There are exceptions of course, but those templates (Warriors) are almost impossible to replicate

this was brought up before in some thread here:

* Portland was 18th in the NBA in Pace at 98.6

* for the 2 teams in the finals, Denver was 23rd at 98.1; Miami was 28th at 96.3

* for the other two teams in the conference finals, Boston was 20th at 98.5; Lakers were 3rd at 101.0

* for the other 4 teams in the semi-finals, Philly was 27th; Knicks were 25th; Phoenix was 22nd; Warriors were 2nd

in other words, if you were going to rank Portland with the 8 teams in the conference semi-finals according to pace, the rankings would be

Golden State
LAL
Portland
Boston
Phoenix
Denver
Knicks
Philly
Miami

transition offense is entertaining but it's not often a template for real success. Sells tickets in the regular season, maybe, but not so much in the playoffs
 
Natebishop3 said:
I'll just repost this. Their schedule is super weird. The first 9 games he was pretty damn good. Then he missed a bunch of time (injured?) and had a bad run of 7 or so games, then he had another really good 5 games. So he showed that he can be really good, but he also had a slump in there. Not sure if he was injured a lot this year. I don't really understand the Ignite at all.

Game 1 - 20 points off 9/16 shooting, 8 assists, 3 rebounds, 2 steals

Game 2 - 26 points off 10/13 shooting, 8 assists, 5 rebounds, 1 steal

Game 3 - DNP

Game 4 - 21 points off 8/18 shooting, 9 assists, 7 rebounds, 1 steal

Game 5 - 21 points off 6/16 shooting, 6 assists, 7 rebounds, 3 steals

Game 6 - 27 points off 9/16 shooting, 5 assists, 3 rebounds, 2 steals

So for the first five games he averaged 23 ppg off 53% shooting, 7.2 assists, 5 rebounds, and 1.8 steals.

Game 7 - 12 points off 5/15 shooting, 6 assists, 3 rebounds, and 3 steals.

Game 8 - 9 points off 4/13 shooting, 7 assists, 7 rebounds, and 1 steal

Game 9 - 22 points off 5/14 shooting, 7 assists, 1 rebound, and 0 steals.

Game 10 - DNP

Game 11 - DNP

Game 12 - DNP

Game 13 - played 7 minutes

Game 14 - DNP

Game 15 - DNP

Game 16 - DNP

Game 17 - 20 points off 9/16 shooting, 14 assists, 7 rebounds, and 1 steal

Game 18 - 10 points off 5/14 shooting, 6 assists, 4 rebounds, and 1 steal

Game 19 - 14 points off 6/11 shooting, 9 assists, 9 rebounds, and 1 steal

Game 20 - 14 points off 4-12 shooting, 6 assists, 7 rebounds, 1 steal

Game 21 - 15 points off 4/17 shooting, 4 assists, 4 rebounds, 0 steals

Game 22 - 14 points off 4/10 shooting, 4 assists, 7 rebounds, 0 steals

Game 23 - 17 points off 7/19 shooting, 5 assists, 7 rebounds, 1 steal'

Game 24 - 15 points off 6/16 shooting, 12 assists, 7 rebounds, 1 steal

Game 25 - DNP

Game 26 - DNP

Game 27 - DNP

Game 28 - DNP

Game 29 - DNP

Game 30 - DNP

Game 31 - 25 points off 7/16 shooting, 7 assists, 4 rebounds, 0 steals

Game 32 - 25 points off 10/27 shooting, 4 assists, 5 rebounds, 2 steals

Game 33 - DNP

Game 34 - 18 points off 8 /19 shooting, 16 assists, 6 rebounds, 1 steal

Game 35 - 26 points off 10/16 shooting, 3 assists, 3 rebounds, 3 steals

Game 36 - 27 points off 12/20 shooting, 5 assists, 5 rebounds, 4 steals

Game 37 - 9 minutes

Game 38 - DNP

Game 39 - DNP

Game 40 - DNP

Game 41 - DNP

Game 42 - DNP

Game 43 - DNP

Game 44 - DNP

Game 45 - DNP

He played the last two games
18 points off 7/12 shooting, 3 assists, 4 rebounds, 0 steals

12 points off 4/15 shooting, 6 assists, 7 rebounds, 1 steal
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As far as i understand, there really is no incentive to win. And the whole intent with ignite is to showcase guys in games that effectively don't matter. They all just want to end up in the NBA in a year or two, and results game to game don't matter.

It's like AAU/ OTE in that sense, albeit with far better competition. Scoot sort of just shut it down after establishing his draft status this year. Shaedon did the same last year. Unfortunately, the system is built to allow this. Doesn't turn me away from him one bit.
 
Natebishop3 said:
I would be shocked if Charlotte passes on him. Either they take him and trade him, or they take him and keep him.
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if New Orleans wants Scoot as badly as the rumor, enough to use Zion as the bait, which team would be more likely to bite: Charlotte with MJ or Portland with Jody. Pretty easy answer I'd think
 
Please for the love of everything that is holy, do not let Scoot Henderson play a game as a Blazer.

Draft and trade... fine (for something reasonable)
Drafted at #2... fine

ANYTHING BUT SCOOT
 
wizenheimer said:
if New Orleans wants Scoot as badly as the rumor, enough to use Zion as the bait, which team would be more likely to bite: Charlotte with MJ or Portland with Jody. Pretty easy answer I'd think
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Yeah especially since Zion is from the Charlotte area
 
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