Allen Crabbe signs offer sheet with Nets

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Should we match Brooklyn's offer sheet for Allen Crabbe?

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I have been wanting to get McLemore for a couple years now. I think he could really revitalize his career in Portland, much like Harkless........ but then we're looking at a similar problem next summer when HE becomes a free agent.
 
Sinobas said:
No brainer? 80% of our cap space would be going to CJ, Dame, Turner and Crabbe. If you give your starters 75% of the cap, that leaves 25% to the bench, and Crabbe would be taking up 17% of that by himself.
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Better to have 80% of our cap space used on those guys than 60% used with 40% unused.
 
Denny Crane said:
Better to have 80% of our cap space used on those guys than 60% used with 40% unused.
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Except if you'd like to retain Harkless and/or Plumlee. And what about when it's time to resign Aminu or Ed Davis? What if we want to keep one of them? Over spending will eventually come back to bite you. We pretty much had to do it this year to land Evan Turner, but we don't need to do it again with Crabbe....and they were getting Turner to be a starter. Crabbe is a bench player.
 
The "60% of our cap space is on the backcourt" argument is moot because we're over the cap and spending 120% of it.

So we're spending 60% on our backcourt and frontcourt...
 
Sinobas said:
Except if you'd like to retain Harkless and/or Plumlee. And what about when it's time to resign Aminu or Ed Davis? What if we want to keep one of them? Over spending will eventually come back to bite you. We pretty much had to do it this year to land Evan Turner, but we don't need to do it again with Crabbe....and they were getting Turner to be a starter. Crabbe is a bench player.
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Play out the the season (or half the season) and let the creme rise to the top. Keep the best and let the others go. Even if you get nothing in return, it would be the same as if you let them walk now.......
 
Sinobas said:
Except if you'd like to retain Harkless and/or Plumlee. And what about when it's time to resign Aminu or Ed Davis? What if we want to keep one of them? Over spending will eventually come back to bite you. We pretty much had to do it this year to land Evan Turner, but we don't need to do it again with Crabbe....and they were getting Turner to be a starter. Crabbe is a bench player.
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Those guys are on the team THIS season. We have no idea who we want to keep next summer. I'm quite satisfied to let NO figure it out - he's been downright awesome so far.
 
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I didn't feel like starting another thread. But what in the hell happened to Allen Crabbe?

First and foremost, I will say I wanted Portland to match Brooklyn's offer, so I can't blame Neil Olshey for this one. Also, I'm aware that he could still be used in a trade after January 15th and, in general, it's never good to let assets walk for nothing.

However, with that all said, in a season of disappointments, he's got to be at the top of that list. Through 16 games, AC's averaging 9.4 points, on 43.8% shooting and 36.7% from 3, 2.6 rebounds, and 1.3 assists per game in 28.9 minutes. Now his 2015-16 numbers aren't going to blow anyone away (10.3 points, 45.9% from the field, 39.4% from 3), but he's down in all major shooting categories and is doing so in more minutes this year.

I really hoped he would build on his solid postseason, especially against the Warriors, but he definitely looks like he hasn't taken that next step. I'm not putting all of the blame on him as I don't feel like we're using him correctly (we should be running him off screens like the Clippers do with Redick), but the bottom line is open shots aren't being made at a consistent rate for the caliber shooter that he is.

He reminds me of Martell Webster -- a player with all of the tools to be great but so inconsistent.

For $20 mill a year, over the next four, we gotta hope that AC (and Stotts) figure it out.
 
HolyBackboard said:
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I didn't feel like starting another thread. But what in the hell happened to Allen Crabbe?

First and foremost, I will say I wanted Portland to match Brooklyn's offer, so I can't blame Neil Olshey for this one. Also, I'm aware that he could still be used in a trade after January 15th and, in general, it's never good to let assets walk for nothing.

However, with that all said, in a season of disappointments, he's got to be at the top of that list. Through 16 games, AC's averaging 9.4 points, on 43.8% shooting and 36.7% from 3, 2.6 rebounds, and 1.3 assists per game in 28.9 minutes. Now his 2015-16 numbers aren't going to blow anyone away (10.3 points, 45.9% from the field, 39.4% from 3), but he's down in all major shooting categories and is doing so in more minutes this year.

I really hoped he would build on his solid postseason, especially against the Warriors, but he definitely looks like he hasn't taken that next step. I'm not putting all of the blame on him as I don't feel like we're using him correctly (we should be running him off screens like the Clippers do with Redick), but the bottom line is open shots aren't being made at a consistent rate for the caliber shooter that he is.

He reminds me of Martell Webster -- a player with all of the tools to be great but so inconsistent.

For $20 mill a year, over the next four, we gotta hope that AC (and Stotts) figure it out.
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Nothing happened to him. He's just a solid bench player. Now he's a solid bench player who is being paid like a star because of Neil Olshey's stupidity.

A prudently run team cannot be petrified of "losing a bench player for nothing". Maybe you go 10% over what you think they're worth, maybe 20%, but Crabbe is making 2-3x what he's worth.
 
I didn't think he had any real potential to get better so I was always against matching the offer. He's a decent bench player, nothing more. The people here that thought he would be a 6th man of the year candidate make me laugh.
 
I went back and forth for a while but then wanted them to match. Seeing workout footage of crabbe putting the ball on the floor made me think he would take that next step, be able to create his own shot and put the ball on the floor. Well...he hasn't done any of that and is the same player as last season except less efficient. Plays pretty good defense even though I do think it's overrated defense. Spot up shooter, refuses to even attempt to create his own shot or when he does try it's a massive fail. Worst part is, nobody will take on this contract. It's obsurd at this point
 
Far and away this was the biggest blunder of the off season. The problem with convincing yourself that we're acquiring assets is that when you sign a bench player to a contract thats unreasonable IT IS NOT AN ASSET. We are stuck with allen crabbe now for the next 4 years better or worse, his contract is untradeable. NO ONE WANTS HIM FOR 21.5 MIL- NO ONE. Forget moving him in ANY trade what so ever. Thats the whole reason brooklyn offered him the type of deal he got in the first place it was because it was a TERRIBLE contract to match, and now we are reaping the rewards with the 2nd highest payroll in the NBA and a shitty ass team. Matching on a guy like allen crabbe is what shitty franchises do. So thanks for that.

Barring a blockbuster trade at the deadline NO deserves the boot he has fully fucked this franchise for the next decade.
 
chzbrgr said:
his contract is untradeable. NO ONE WANTS HIM FOR 21.5 MIL- NO ONE. Forget moving him in ANY trade what so ever.
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If the Nets were willing to pay him that much before, they still are. In return, they could give us a worthless protected-55 pick. Let's see their future 2nd-round picks. Wow, they have a lot of bad ones.

http://prosportstransactions.com/basketball/DraftTrades/Future/Nets.htm

I think that Crabbe will shoot better than he has, and we'll ease up on him. He's still overpaid, but we'll forget about it. As for defense, he's our only tall guard, unless you want to count Connaughton.
 
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Why do you guys think Neil Olshey made the decision to match? Yes he's the GM I understand that but Neil doesn't own this team and for damn sure a decision like this is not decided by Olshey himself.

Maybe Olshey voted against re signing him. But instead the overall staff and OF COURSE Paul Allen wanted this.

Ah well, I'm actually excited for the lottery. Dame and Cj is still fairly young that a mini rebuild won't hurt. Trust me guys the lottery is the only way a team like ours gets better.

Remember Olshey is waaaaaaay better at drafting
 
chzbrgr said:
Far and away this was the biggest blunder of the off season. The problem with convincing yourself that we're acquiring assets is that when you sign a bench player to a contract thats unreasonable IT IS NOT AN ASSET. We are stuck with allen crabbe now for the next 4 years better or worse, his contract is untradeable. NO ONE WANTS HIM FOR 21.5 MIL- NO ONE. Forget moving him in ANY trade what so ever. Thats the whole reason brooklyn offered him the type of deal he got in the first place it was because it was a TERRIBLE contract to match, and now we are reaping the rewards with the 2nd highest payroll in the NBA and a shitty ass team. Matching on a guy like allen crabbe is what shitty franchises do. So thanks for that.

Barring a blockbuster trade at the deadline NO deserves the boot he has fully fucked this franchise for the next decade.
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Jeez dude, we were screwed either way, and without him we'd be even worse and still over the cap.
 
chzbrgr said:
Far and away this was the biggest blunder of the off season. The problem with convincing yourself that we're acquiring assets is that when you sign a bench player to a contract thats unreasonable IT IS NOT AN ASSET. We are stuck with allen crabbe now for the next 4 years better or worse, his contract is untradeable. NO ONE WANTS HIM FOR 21.5 MIL- NO ONE. Forget moving him in ANY trade what so ever. Thats the whole reason brooklyn offered him the type of deal he got in the first place it was because it was a TERRIBLE contract to match, and now we are reaping the rewards with the 2nd highest payroll in the NBA and a shitty ass team. Matching on a guy like allen crabbe is what shitty franchises do. So thanks for that.

Barring a blockbuster trade at the deadline NO deserves the boot he has fully fucked this franchise for the next decade.
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Nice to see another sane person on this board, our numbers are few. You're totally right on all points.

These contracts run through the end of the decade. 117 mil commited in 19-20 to only 6 players. And only 3 of those are any good.

We're also about 20 million into the luxury tax next season. And by the way things look now, resigning guys like layman, napier, plumlee, vonlehy, davis, will all be luxury tax.

I made a post earlier, asking if Neil's seat was warming up, and the forum acted like it was a ridiculous question, but we'll see.

Pretty much our only hope for getting out of this mess is to package CJ with someone like Turner in exchange for cousins.
 
jlprk said:
If the Nets were willing to pay him that much before, they still are. In return, they could give us a worthless protected-55 pick. Let's see their future 2nd-round picks. Wow, they have a lot of bad ones.

http://prosportstransactions.com/basketball/DraftTrades/Future/Nets.htm

I think that Crabbe will shoot better than he has, and we'll ease up on him. He's still overpaid, but we'll forget about it. As for defense, he's our only tall guard, unless you want to count Connaughton.
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You forget the off-season factor. Teams in every pro sport end up over paying for a guy and end up with buyers remorse. It's like getting caught up in the moment at an auction and coming home and realize you over paid for a piece of crap. I would be very surprised if the Nets still want him.
 
Crabbe sucks. Never should've matched that ridiculous contract.
 
BonesJones said:
Jeez dude, we were screwed either way, and without him we'd be even worse and still over the cap.
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Would we really be worse? could we even be? maybe a slight downtick on offense/3p% but we are the last placed defensive team so there isnt any room farther south to go. You cant argue asset acquisition with his contract then say we were screwed either way there were other options. There are always other options.

jlprk said:
If the Nets were willing to pay him that much before, they still are. In return, they could give us a worthless protected-55 pick. Let's see their future 2nd-round picks. Wow, they have a lot of bad ones.

http://prosportstransactions.com/basketball/DraftTrades/Future/Nets.htm

I think that Crabbe will shoot better than he has, and we'll ease up on him. He's still overpaid, but we'll forget about it. As for defense, he's our only tall guard, unless you want to count Connaughton.
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I dont even think BRK is desperate enough to take that contract AFTER a trade. Its a fucking crazy offer sheet he signed.

I hate the rationale that because he has the measurables(he's tall and long) that he is a good defender. He is not. At least, not right now. He's taking a ton of lazy fouls and letting his man beat him of the dribble regularly. That's the part of his game I have been most frustrated with, shooting numbers will normalize for him I get that. But his defense is on par with our other two offensive minded guards, that is to say nonexistent. Defense is 80% effort and I think the big contract he signed is making him think he's dame and cj's level so he doesnt need to play d.
 
Nikolokolus said:
This appears to have all the makings of a truly immovable contract in a couple of years. I predict buyers remorse for whichever team gets saddled with this albatross.

I like AC and good for him getting paid, but I hope it's not here.
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As I was saying ...
 
BonesJones said:
The NBA needs ungaurunteed contracts the way the NFL does.
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That would benefit the fan's interests, but we're not represented at the table when the CBA is being discussed. Might as well petition the sun to rise in the West.

btw, here's your original take prior to Portland matching...

BonesJones said:
We will have no cap space in the next 3 years, so I think you have to match. He's a good enough asset that you could trade him down the road. The only difference between 4/55 and 4/75 is to Paul Allen. If he's willing to pay him then you keep him
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this is the bed you advocated management making...

STOMP
 
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STOMP said:
That would benefit the fan's interests, but we're not represented at the table when the CBA is being discussed. Might as well petition the sun to rise in the West.

btw, here's your original take prior to Portland matching...



this is the bed you advocated management making...

STOMP
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That was cold. But real.
 
STOMP said:
That would benefit the fan's interests, but we're not represented at the table when the CBA is being discussed. Might as well petition the sun to rise in the West.

btw, here's your original take prior to Portland matching...



this is the bed you advocated management making...

STOMP
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Flip flopper lol
 
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