Allen Crabbe signs offer sheet with Nets

[BigGameDamian]

I've been wanting Crabbe to be our starting shooting guard since Wes went down. I don't see any reason why CJ shouldn't be our sixth man.

Crabbe will be the Blazers starting SG. Just as soon as CJ is moved for a big man or a dominant SF like PG13.

 

[Nate]

You're

Fucking

Nuts

People also thought I was nuts when I said we needed whiteside.

 

[Nate]

Because right now, Allen Crabbe flat out sucks. If he was our starter, we'd go from having one of the best starting SGs in the league to having the worst. Crabbe's PER is 8.9. He's supposed to be a great shooter, but Meyers Leonard, who has been in a shooting slump for most of the year has a higher 3FG% than Crabbe. Crabbe has played twice as many minutes as Meyers, but has only made 4 more 3-pointers for the season. Crabbe is a 1-dimensional shooter who can't shoot.

He brings nothing else to the table. He is the worst rebounder on the team and one of the worst passers (only Ed Davis, Maurice Harkless and Noah Vonleh have a lower AST% than Crabbe). He has the lowest WS (-0.2) and WS/48 (-0.050) on the team and his defense sucks. His DRtg of 116 is the worst on a team full of bad defenders. He is a 3 and D guy who can't make an open 3-pointer and can't/doesn't guard anybody.

He needs to pull his head out of his ass and start earning his contract. If not, he shouldn't even be in the rotation, much less starting.

BNM

That was a really long drawn out version of "crabbes in a shooting slump"
I don't care about his advanced defensive stats. When I watch him play, he makes good defensive plays.
Weren't you one of the people that was on the "whiteside is a shitty defender, and he's over-rated" bandwagon?

 

[Boob-No-More]

That was a really long drawn out version of "crabbes in a shooting slump"
I don't care about his advanced defensive stats. When I watch him play, he makes good defensive plays.

Not really. I mentioned that he doesn't do anything else well. He's a terrible rebounder, absolutely worst on the team, and a terrible passer who can't create for himself , or others. He's paid ridiculous money to shoot the ball and when he can't even do that well, he doesn't contribute in any other way.

I've watched him play defense too, and have a completely different opinion. I watched him get torched by the UTA guards on opening night. They drove right past him like his feet were set in concrete. He hasn't been quite that awful since, but I do watch him and he's not even an average defender for his position.

Weren't you one of the people that was on the "whiteside is a shitty defender, and he's over-rated" bandwagon?

I don't believe I was. I wasn't enamored with his immaturity, but I eventually came around and was actually supportive of trying to sign Whiteside (or Howard) and trade for Kanter. I thought they'd be a good pair since their skill sets are so complementary. Kanter is the best offensive rebounder in the league and one of the best low post scorers, but not a good defender. Whiteside (or Howard) is a good rim protector (to help erase Kanter's mistakes) and a good defensive rebounder.

In any case, that was TOTAL strawman and has absolutely NOTHING to do with Allen Crabbe.

BNM

 

[Boob-No-More]

Turners earning his paycheck more than Crabbe right now.

Layman needs some of Crabbe's minutes for a few games to see if he's a better option.

Yep, and yep.

We knew Turner couldn't shoot when we signed him, but he contributes in other ways. He's a better rebounder, better passer and a better defender than Crabbe. And, he makes less and doesn't have that ridiculous trade kicker that will make him hard to trade. Crabbe brings nothing else to the table. He's a 3-point specialist who shoots well under the league average in 3FG%.

I'd love to see Crabbe turn it around. All of Harkless, Plumlee, Ed Davis, Meyers Leonard and Evan Turner are playing better recently. Crabbe is 4th on the team in minutes played (and the second highest paid). It would be nice if he would start playing like our 4th best player (or even 6th or 7th best would be nice).

Unless Crabbe starts contributing, I'd give Turner the back up SG minutes and pair him with Layman at the back up SF. Turner can create and Layman can shoot. So, they could work well together. Plus it gives us good size with the 6'7" Turner at the 2 and the 6'9" Layman and the 3. So, our defense and rebounding wouldn't suffer like they do when Crabbe is on the floor.

BNM

 

[KingSpeed]

Crabbe looked great in the season opener. I still believe he can get back on track.

 

[Nate]

Not really. I mentioned that he doesn't do anything else well. He's a terrible rebounder, absolutely worst on the team, and a terrible passer who can't create for himself , or others. He's paid ridiculous money to shoot the ball and when he can't even do that well, he doesn't contribute in any other way.

I've watched him play defense too, and have a completely different opinion. I watched him get torched by the UTA guards on opening night. They drove right past him like his feet were set in concrete. He hasn't been quite that awful since, but I do watch him and he's not even an average defender for his position.



I don't believe I was. I wasn't enamored with his immaturity, but I eventually came around and was actually supportive of trying to sign Whiteside (or Howard) and trade for Kanter. I thought they'd be a good pair since their skill sets are so complementary. Kanter is the best offensive rebounder in the league and one of the best low post scorers, but not a good defender. Whiteside (or Howard) is a good rim protector (to help erase Kanter's mistakes) and a good defensive rebounder.

In any case, that was TOTAL strawman and has absolutely NOTHING to do with Allen Crabbe.

BNM

He does pretty well at driving to the lane and getting a floater.

The things he's not good at; rebounding, and creating for others. Wouldn't really matter if he wasn't in a shooting slump.

And it's not strawman, evaluating talent, is evaluating talent.

 

[Blazinaway]

People also thought I was nuts when I said we needed whiteside.

perhaps you have a sane moment or two? I liked Whiteside as well, but Crabbe is a whole different story and a very depressing one at this time, I really hope he pulls his head outta his behind

 

[Blazinaway]

Crabbe looked great in the season opener. I still believe he can get back on track.

so you'd be happy with one good game every 18 or so?

 

[Nate]

perhaps you have a sane moment or two? I liked Whiteside as well, but Crabbe is a whole different story and a very depressing one at this time, I really hope he pulls his head outta his behind

Crabbe is in a horrible shooting funk, and he's the 4th best shooter on our team right now. Dame, CJ, and Moe, are carrying us right now. Crabbe, is also one of the only people that gets his hands in the passing lanes for deflections or steals. I think putting him in the starting lineup would help his shooting, and give us a defensive boost to start the game off. While CJ can come off the bench at any time and be great offensively for us.

Remember when Moe was playin like shit coming off the bench, then he was put in the starting lineup and he looked way better? I think something similar could happen with Crabbe.

 

[Blazinaway]

Crabbe is in a horrible shooting funk, and he's the 4th best shooter on our team right now. Dame, CJ, and Moe, are carrying us right now. Crabbe, is also one of the only people that gets his hands in the passing lanes for deflections or steals. I think putting him in the starting lineup would help his shooting, and give us a defensive boost to start the game off. While CJ can come off the bench at any time and be great offensively for us.

Remember when Moe was playin like shit coming off the bench, then he was put in the starting lineup and he looked way better? I think something similar could happen with Crabbe.

dude, his defense is simply not that good and his rebounding sucks

 

[chzbrgr]

If you ignore all the measurables and dont watch him and just imagine jimmy butler then yes, I guess you could call him a good defender

 

[Boob-No-More]

Crabbe is in a horrible shooting funk.

When it reaches 1/4 season, can you really call it a slump? I think of a shooting slump as a few bad games, maybe 5 or 6 at most. After that, it's no longer a slump, it's a trend.

Crabbe, is also one of the only people that gets his hands in the passing lanes for deflections or steals.

Dude, you're really reaching now. He's 11th on the team in STL%. He plays > 28 MPG and has a grand total of 9 steals in 18 games. Aminu averages 3x as many steals per game and plays fewer minutes than Crabbe. C.J., Dame, Harkless, Plumlee and Turner all average more STL/G than Crabbe.

I get that Crabbe is supposed to be a 3 and D guy, because he doesn't do ANYTHING else. The problem is he's also bad at the two things he's supposed to do well. C.J, is an infinitely better 3-point shooter and this year, C.J.'s defense is better than Crabbe's. Starting Crabbe would be a disaster, we'd dig ourselves into a whole at the start of every game, and playing from behind is physically and mentally exhausting.

BNM

 

[Rhal]

When it reaches 1/4 season, can you really call it a slump? I think of a shooting slump as a few bad games, maybe 5 or 6 at most. After that, it's no longer a slump, it's a trend.



Dude, you're really reaching now. He's 11th on the team in STL%. He plays > 28 MPG and has a grand total of 9 steals in 18 games. Aminu averages 3x as many steals per game and plays fewer minutes than Crabbe. C.J., Dame, Harkless, Plumlee and Turner all average more STL/G than Crabbe.

I get that Crabbe is supposed to be a 3 and D guy, because he doesn't do ANYTHING else. The problem is he's also bad at the two things he's supposed to do well. C.J, is an infinitely better 3-point shooter and this year, C.J.'s defense is better than Crabbe's. Starting Crabbe would be a disaster, we'd dig ourselves into a whole at the start of every game, and playing from behind is physically and mentally exhausting.

BNM

You definitely can, Hell Korver and JJ reddick have gone through long streaks of not shooting well. If the shooting is significantly different then career averages, which it most definitely is for Crabbe, then its most likely not the new norm and will correct itself with time.

 

[Boob-No-More]

You definitely can, Hell Korver and JJ reddick have gone through long streaks of not shooting well. If the shooting is significantly different then career averages, which it most definitely is for Crabbe, then its most likely not the new norm and will correct itself with time.

Actually, if this continues, you have to start to ask if this season, or last season, was the anomaly. He barely played his rookie year and it was all garbage time. So, I don't put much stock in that (PER = 7.7, TS% = .475).

His second year, was the first time he saw significant minutes, and he finished with a PER = 8.7 and TS% of .525. That's pretty much right where he is this year (PER = 8.9, TS% = .538).

So, was last year (PER = 12.2, TS%= .572) just a player playing for a contract and now that he's gotten the big bucks, he's let up and reverted to where he used to be?

Who is the real Allen Crabbe? Is he the PER = 8.9 guy we are seeing this year and we also saw his second year, or the PER = 12.2 player we saw last year when he was playing for a contract?

BNM

 

[STOMP]

Crabbe is in a horrible shooting funk, and he's the 4th best shooter on our team right now.

a poster's feelings aren't an acceptable measure of whats what for other posters. Based on Total Shooting %, right now Crabbe is the 9th best shooter on the team

evaluating talent, is evaluating talent

don't quit your day job

STOMP

 

[KingSpeed]

A slump can definitely last more than 5 or 6 games.

 

[Boob-No-More]

A slump can definitely last more than 5 or 6 games.

Yeah, some guys have career long "slumps".

Those guys suck.

BNM

 

[Nate]

a poster's feelings aren't an acceptable measure of whats what for other posters. Based on Total Shooting %, right now Crabbe is the 9th best shooter on the team


don't quit your day job

STOMP

Well I don't know what you're going off of, but basketball reference says he's got the 4th best on the team.

And don't worry, I wouldn't let your wife down like that.

 

[Nate]

When it reaches 1/4 season, can you really call it a slump? I think of a shooting slump as a few bad games, maybe 5 or 6 at most. After that, it's no longer a slump, it's a trend.



Dude, you're really reaching now. He's 11th on the team in STL%. He plays > 28 MPG and has a grand total of 9 steals in 18 games. Aminu averages 3x as many steals per game and plays fewer minutes than Crabbe. C.J., Dame, Harkless, Plumlee and Turner all average more STL/G than Crabbe.

I get that Crabbe is supposed to be a 3 and D guy, because he doesn't do ANYTHING else. The problem is he's also bad at the two things he's supposed to do well. C.J, is an infinitely better 3-point shooter and this year, C.J.'s defense is better than Crabbe's. Starting Crabbe would be a disaster, we'd dig ourselves into a whole at the start of every game, and playing from behind is physically and mentally exhausting.

BNM

Well then, based on some of the slumps that Damian has gone on, for way more than 5 or 6 games, he fucking sucks at shooting.

And I said he's one of the only people to get his hands in the passing lanes. I never said he averaged more steals than everyone else.

Also, I'm pretty sure we all knew that Aminu, was leading us in steals. Do you have any other obscure statements to make? Maybe that Damian, is our leading scorer?

 

[BBert]

It's tough to tell which contract is worse....Crabbe's or Turner's. The sad part is, both of them are on the Blazers roster.

To start the season I thought Crabbe's contract was hands down the only really bad contact on the team, and that Turner's was only a slight overpay, so par for our course. Now...Turner's is looking only slightly better. So far.

 

[Boob-No-More]

Well then, based on some of the slumps that Damian has gone on, for way more than 5 or 6 games, he fucking sucks at shooting.

And I said he's one of the only people to get his hands in the passing lanes. I never said he averaged more steals than everyone else.

Also, I'm pretty sure we all knew that Aminu, was leading us in steals. Do you have any other obscure statements to make? Maybe that Damian, is our leading scorer?

So basically, you've got nothing.

BNM

 

[Nate]

So basically, you've got nothing.

BNM

Lol nothing you said in your last post, disproved anything I said. Unless you think Damian sucks at shooting.

But you think CJ is a better defender than Crabbe.

So basically, you've got nothing.

 

[Boob-No-More]

Lol nothing you said in your last post, disproved anything I said. Unless you think Damian sucks at shooting.

But you think CJ is a better defender than Crabbe.

So basically, you've got nothing.

You started with an unsupported opinion and have tried to prop it up with more unsupported opinions.

I have provided plenty of stats to support my position, but you choose to ignore them. Of course you don't like stats, because they prove just how badly the guy you think should be starting sucks.

You have done absolutely nothing to convince anyone the guy with an 8.9 PER and .348 3FG% should be starting instead of the guy with a 19.3 PER and .450 3FG%. The only reason you can come up with is "because I say so". I'm glad the Blazers coaching staff knows a lot more about basketball than you do, and I'm also they have basic common sense.

BNM

 

[Nate]

You started with an unsupported opinion and have tried to prop it up with more unsupported opinions.

I have provided plenty of stats to support my position, but you choose to ignore them. Of course you don't like stats, because they prove just how badly the guy you think should be starting sucks.

You have done absolutely nothing to convince anyone the guy with an 8.9 PER and .348 3FG% should be starting instead of the guy with a 19.3 PER and .450 3FG%. The only reason you can come up with is "because I say so". I'm glad the Blazers coaching staff knows a lot more about basketball than you do, and I'm also they have basic common sense.

BNM

So basically, you've got nothing.

 

[Boob-No-More]

So basically, you've got nothing.

Nope, I've got everything. I can quote pages and pages of stats that show why C.J. should be starting and Crabbe should not be.

What reasons do you have that Crabbe should be starting? Based on his production he shouldn't even be in the rotation.

BNM

 

[STOMP]

Well I don't know what you're going off of, but basketball reference says he's got the 4th best on the team.

And don't worry, I wouldn't let your wife down like that.

apparently you're as good at researching stats on the internet as you are at evaluating talent. I'm using basketball reference for this season genius and yup, he's the 9th best on the team in True Shooting %... heres the link

got any other funny insults?

STOMP

 

[Nate]

apparently you're as good at researching stats on the internet as you are at evaluating talent. I'm using basketball reference for this season genius and yup, he's the 9th best on the team in True Shooting %... heres the link

got any other funny insults?

STOMP

Try again.

NATE

 

[jlprk]

You started with an unsupported opinion.

How would one numerically support the hypothetical that if Crabbe started and McCollum were our star sub, the team might do better?

he's the 9th best on the team in True Shooting %... heres the link

The link shows you're both right. It depends on whether you include the players with insignificant minutes.

 

[jlprk]

Actually, if this continues, you have to start to ask if this season, or last season, was the anomaly. He barely played his rookie year and it was all garbage time. So, I don't put much stock in that (PER = 7.7, TS% = .475).

His second year, was the first time he saw significant minutes, and he finished with a PER = 8.7 and TS% of .525. That's pretty much right where he is this year (PER = 8.9, TS% = .538)...Who is the real Allen Crabbe? Is he the PER = 8.9 guy we are seeing this year and we also saw his second year, or the PER = 12.2 player we saw last year when he was playing for a contract?

You're approaching what I said, which was...in the second half of last season, the team got good. Crabbe was carried passively on the surf wave, since as a catch-and-shoot 2nd-round pick, he depends upon Lillard to set him up. He's a wave rider, not a needle mover. Fans expected his improvement to be permanent, but he has never been a lights-out shooter or defender. Now the team sucks, so so does he. When and if the team improves in the second half of the season, so will Crabbe. In other words, blame Olshey for overpaying, not Crabbe for putting out less effort, which he isn't.