Amreicans believe country headed in right direction

[blazerboy30]

The old Boss took 8 year to fuck it up this bad and you want the new boss to fix everything in his first few months...ok dude

And no the new boss isnt the same as the old boss

Wow darizzle, you're awfully testy about this.

Take a look at the CBO budget and debt projects. Take a look at Obama's own projections for the budget and debt.

Both of them, even with Obama's overly optimistic assumptions of economic growth, project huge increases in debt and deficit. Bush was out of control with the spending. Obama's budget and debt makes Bush look like an economic conservative.

Those projections are out to 8 years, which apparently for you, is when you can start to question a president.

Learn the facts and stop resorting to personal attacks... then post.

 

[DaRizzle]

Wow darizzle, you're awfully testy about this.

Take a look at the CBO budget and debt projects. Take a look at Obama's own projections for the budget and debt.

Both of them, even with Obama's overly optimistic assumptions of economic growth, project huge increases in debt and deficit. Bush was out of control with the spending. Obama's budget and debt makes Bush look like an economic conservative.

Those projections are out to 8 years, which apparently for you, is when you can start to question a president.

Learn the facts and stop resorting to personal attacks... then post.

I didnt personal attack you, just Maxiep...I just disagreed with you (obviously)

 

[maxiep]

It's pretty clear that his life sucks. I mean, the dude sits around and posts all day long. He equates having the time to respond to everything with winning the argument. It's sad, really.


Internet is serious. And now well all know how smart everyone is.

That's known as an ad hominem attack. They're deployed when you run out of facts and logic eludes you.

Thanks for admitting your well is dry.

 

[maxiep]

I didnt personal attack you, just Maxiep...I just disagreed with you (obviously)

DaRizzle, why don't you like me?

 

[DaRizzle]

DaRizzle, why don't you like me?

All the reasons I dislike you have become a blur cause I cant remember every particular reason. Way too many.

 

[maxiep]

All the reasons I dislike you have become a blur cause I cant remember every particular reason. Way too many.

List a few.

For the record, I have nothing but fondness for you. The animus is completely on your side.

 

[DaRizzle]

List a few.

For the record, I have nothing but fondness for you. The animus is completely on your side.

you just like to fuck with me too much...you always focus on the crumbs rather than the whole in ANY argument with me. I have to explain obvious stuff, stuff that I think you already know, but just act stupid on just to fuck with me.

Its hard for me to hold a grudge since this is a frivolous place...but damn you try

 

[Denny Crane]

Here's something to cheer you up, Maxie.

http://www.winknews.com/news/local/43385017.html

Henrietta Hughes still struggling

By Nick Spinetto, WINK News


Story Created: Apr 21, 2009 at 6:11 PM EDT
Story Updated: Apr 21, 2009 at 6:59 PM EDT

FORT MYERS, Fla. - Henrietta Hughes is still struggling to make ends meet.

Unemployed and homeless, she caught national attention during President Obama's visit to Fort Myers when she asked for his help. After her plea, Hughes was given a free place to stay, but she still can't find a job and may soon find herself homeless again.

From CNN to Fox to WINK News, her story was everywhere. Today though you'll find her at the Career Service Center in Fort Myers.

"It's almost our second home," Henrietta said of her time at the center.

She and her son Corey are taking computer classes. She hopes it gives them the edge to get a job. "We can start fresh," she said.

However, her problem is that few industries are hiring. Since February she says they've been knocking on doors and applying for as many jobs as they can, but no luck.

Adding to her worries the house she's living in for free, is only temporary. Representative Nick Thompson's wife, Chene, owns the home and is allowing Henrietta to live there until it sells.

"Thank God for Mrs. Chene Thompson for allowing us to stay in her house," Henrietta said.

If she has to move without having a job, Henrietta fears she'll be back at square one -- living in her truck.

Though she hasn't had to pay rent, Henrietta says she hasn't saved much money either. Her bills are often more than her income. Now she's praying her story ends how she hoped it would. "Get a job and get on to do things that I decide to do," she said.

Henrietta does have a job interview on Monday to do administrative work at a local hospital. She's hoping some of the computer skills she was learning help her get the job.

 

[maxiep]

Here's something to cheer you up, Maxie.

http://www.winknews.com/news/local/43385017.html

Henrietta Hughes still struggling

By Nick Spinetto, WINK News


Story Created: Apr 21, 2009 at 6:11 PM EDT
Story Updated: Apr 21, 2009 at 6:59 PM EDT

FORT MYERS, Fla. - Henrietta Hughes is still struggling to make ends meet.

Unemployed and homeless, she caught national attention during President Obama's visit to Fort Myers when she asked for his help. After her plea, Hughes was given a free place to stay, but she still can't find a job and may soon find herself homeless again.

From CNN to Fox to WINK News, her story was everywhere. Today though you'll find her at the Career Service Center in Fort Myers.

"It's almost our second home," Henrietta said of her time at the center.

She and her son Corey are taking computer classes. She hopes it gives them the edge to get a job. "We can start fresh," she said.

However, her problem is that few industries are hiring. Since February she says they've been knocking on doors and applying for as many jobs as they can, but no luck.

Adding to her worries the house she's living in for free, is only temporary. Representative Nick Thompson's wife, Chene, owns the home and is allowing Henrietta to live there until it sells.

"Thank God for Mrs. Chene Thompson for allowing us to stay in her house," Henrietta said.

If she has to move without having a job, Henrietta fears she'll be back at square one -- living in her truck.

Though she hasn't had to pay rent, Henrietta says she hasn't saved much money either. Her bills are often more than her income. Now she's praying her story ends how she hoped it would. "Get a job and get on to do things that I decide to do," she said.

Henrietta does have a job interview on Monday to do administrative work at a local hospital. She's hoping some of the computer skills she was learning help her get the job.

That doesn't cheer me up. People struggling make me sad. However, it's nice to see that she and her son are working hard to improve themselves and to find jobs. With those kind of attitudes, they'll eventually succeed.

 

[Denny Crane]

That doesn't cheer me up. People struggling make me sad. However, it's nice to see that she and her son are working hard to improve themselves and to find jobs. With those kind of attitudes, they'll eventually succeed.

I bet she thinks the country is going in the right direction.

 

[Natebishop3]

Go find out for yourself...There are plenty of experts you could tell you more eloquently than I can...that and i dont want to write a 20 page essay

That is kind of a bullshit answer Rizzle. You'll spend time finding evidence of someone else dropping 40 on Artest, but you won't back up a claim in politics?

Example: I think Bill Clinton was a rotten president.

Why: One reason of many, he passed NAFTA.

 

[DaRizzle]

That is kind of a bullshit answer Rizzle. You'll spend time finding evidence of someone else dropping 40 on Artest, but you won't back up a claim in politics?

Example: I think Bill Clinton was a rotten president.

Why: One reason of many, he passed NAFTA.

I come here for basketball, but yes, I will dabble on the political stuff. Im here for enjoyment and talking basketball is much more enjoyable than talking politics. Im sorry that I dont want to provide links to one of the most discussed topics the past couple of years...Im sure maxiep knows how to use google too


I think Bush jr was a rotten president.

Why: One reason of many, his global policies have made many more people around the world view the USA in a negative light, and as a bully. His actions have motivated people, who would otherwise not have been, to attack the USA with words or violence.

 

[Natebishop3]

I come here for basketball, but yes, I will dabble on the political stuff. Im here for enjoyment and talking basketball is much more enjoyable than talking politics. Im sorry that I dont want to provide links to one of the most discussed topics the past couple of years...Im sure maxiep knows how to use google too


I think Bush jr was a rotten president.

Why: One reason of many, his global policies have made many more people around the world view the USA in a negative light, and as a bully. His actions have motivated people, who would otherwise not have been, to attack the USA with words or violence.

That's a hard claim to substantiate.

 

[DaRizzle]

That's a hard claim to substantiate.

Well the "words" part isnt.

Bush committing war crimes is great propaganda information to give young adults in hopes they will join a terrorist group. Shit, they dont even have to lie about Bush being a criminal to try to brainwash the young ones, because its true!

 

[toutlaw25]

Well the "words" part isnt.

Bush committing war crimes is great propaganda information to give young adults in hopes they will join a terrorist group. Shit, they dont even have to lie about Bush being a criminal to try to brainwash the young ones, because its true!

What you're saying is a common theme thrown around by many. Regardless of how you feel about Bush, do you think terrorists really needed any propaganda from our wars overseas to attack us? What was their motivation for 9/11? Were you fine when Clinton was president? I personally could care less how the rest of the world views us. Do we do everything right? Hell no. However, a good majority of the events we're involved make the world a better place. We spearhead and are involved in more humanitarian relief missions than anyone else in the world, and it isn't close.

 

[Denny Crane]

The left wingers in Europe were winning elections on anti-american sentiment and rhetoric before Bush was president.

 

[toutlaw25]

The left wingers in Europe were winning elections on anti-american sentiment and rhetoric before Bush was president.

Exactly my point. Personally I didn't care for Bush, but not for the reasons talked about in this thread.

 

[maxiep]

It's amazing when I ask people to substantiate precisely why they hated President Bush, and all I get are MoveOn.org bumper stickers. There are plenty of specific reasons to dislike his presidency, but there was so much vitriol directed toward him that people who hate him can't discuss him rationally.

 

[barfo]

It's amazing when I ask people to substantiate precisely why they hated President Bush, and all I get are MoveOn.org bumper stickers. There are plenty of specific reasons to dislike his presidency, but there was so much vitriol directed toward him that people who hate him can't discuss him rationally.

I thought President Bush was an excellent president in terms of prosecution of the War on Terror, a great president when it came to Africa and a pretty bad president in almost every other area.

We agree about Bush completely then, except for the War on Terror business. I was with Bush on Afghanistan, but Iraq was a gigantic, stupid mistake.

barfo

 

[boatsandstars]

It's amazing when I ask people to substantiate precisely why they hated President Bush, and all I get are MoveOn.org bumper stickers. There are plenty of specific reasons to dislike his presidency, but there was so much vitriol directed toward him that people who hate him can't discuss him rationally.

Wow, so people don't think it's worth their time to placate you in a pointless online argument? I'm shocked.

 

[maxiep]

Wow, so people don't think it's worth their time to placate you in a pointless online argument? I'm shocked.

Yet you feel the need to comment anyway. You keep on waving that white flag.

 

[BrianFromWA]

I think I'm one of the few people qualified to talk about this point I'm going to make, since I was in 5 West African countries during the runup to the election, and watching French News channels every night.

By and large, there was more interest in OUR election among Africans than by people in my community (I recognize I'm in liberal south King County, and it was probably a foregone conclusion what people were voting, but anyway...)

To a person, every single African person I talked to said that they wanted Obama to win--most because it would show that black people could be President (Some likened it to the end of apartheid in South Africa), some (along with most of the French) because it would mean voting against "Bush Jr." (which I found hilarious).

People in West Africa love America, and love the types of programs we're starting there (I don't know much about their origins, but I've heard they were a mandate of W's. That could just be a talking point, though...ijdk)

Not one person I met treated me with animosity because I was American. In fact, that was usually the springboard to asking how I planned on voting (since I was in uniform, I couldn't answer...but I did talk to a lot of the French sailors about differences they'd heard about policy and the military).

In short, my opinion is that those who hate America didn't start because of anything Bush, W, or Clinton did. We as voters, taxpayers and citizens, otoh, have a responsibility to ensure that our government is serving us, and doing so in a way that is consistent with the laws of the land. If you don't think that invading Iraq was the right thing to do, there was ample opportunity to write/call your representatives before the vote. If you don't like having homeowners bailed out, there is ample opportunity to write/call your representatives. It just seems disingenuous and frankly lazy to claim that a president was horrible because people hate us and want to bomb us.

 

[hasoos]

What about the people that blindly oppose Obama? Blindly opposing him is just as bad as blindly supporting him.

 

[The_Lillard_King]

I think I'm one of the few people qualified to talk about this point I'm going to make, since I was in 5 West African countries during the runup to the election, and watching French News channels every night.

By and large, there was more interest in OUR election among Africans than by people in my community (I recognize I'm in liberal south King County, and it was probably a foregone conclusion what people were voting, but anyway...)

To a person, every single African person I talked to said that they wanted Obama to win--most because it would show that black people could be President (Some likened it to the end of apartheid in South Africa), some (along with most of the French) because it would mean voting against "Bush Jr." (which I found hilarious).

People in West Africa love America, and love the types of programs we're starting there (I don't know much about their origins, but I've heard they were a mandate of W's. That could just be a talking point, though...ijdk)

Not one person I met treated me with animosity because I was American. In fact, that was usually the springboard to asking how I planned on voting (since I was in uniform, I couldn't answer...but I did talk to a lot of the French sailors about differences they'd heard about policy and the military).

In short, my opinion is that those who hate America didn't start because of anything Bush, W, or Clinton did. We as voters, taxpayers and citizens, otoh, have a responsibility to ensure that our government is serving us, and doing so in a way that is consistent with the laws of the land. If you don't think that invading Iraq was the right thing to do, there was ample opportunity to write/call your representatives before the vote. If you don't like having homeowners bailed out, there is ample opportunity to write/call your representatives. It just seems disingenuous and frankly lazy to claim that a president was horrible because people hate us and want to bomb us.

That is some pretty interesting information. I haven't ever traveled to Africa, so it is good to hear people in West Africa like Americans.

I have traveled through Europe and I get different responses when it comes to Bush. I have seen and spoken with Europeans that have expressed an uncandid dislike for Bush (to put it mildly). I have traveled to Europe before Bush Jr. and I have to say Bush Jr. brought out more emotions from Europeans than I have ever seen expressed in the past. At times it has made me unconfrotable telling people I am American while traveling abroad.

But I understand my contact with people is a small cross section and would hope not every European feels the hatred towards bush that I heard. And it is good to know there are places outside the US where people actually love us.

 

[maxiep]

What about the people that blindly oppose Obama? Blindly opposing him is just as bad as blindly supporting him.

Agreed. Who on this board blindly opposes him?